النص الكامل لحلقة The Internal Voice with Special Guest: Director and Filmmaker Mike Pecci

be like, okay, it's fine, I can catch it, or you know, whatever. 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.519 But it's funny there's something else. 00:04:43.839 --> 00:04:44.319 They are. 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:51.360 It's funny how like my kids were um like there were things that he they would not watch, and now like I'm finding out that they're like watching it on their own. 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.439 So when they were younger, I was like, you can't watch this, and I would never let them. 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.040 And now they're like watching on their own. 00:04:57.120 --> 00:04:58.959 And then they even asked us, they're like, Can we watch this? 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:00.639 And my husband's like, no. 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.399 And then, like, you know, they have access to almost everything now. 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.319 So it's like, and and then I found like Walking Dead, for example. 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:13.040 Like, you know, because we're gonna be talking to our guest tonight who's who specializes in horror. 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.480 And he, you know, and I was like, You're watching The Walking Dead? 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.079 Your youngest is watching The Walking Dead? 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:20.639 Yes. 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:22.800 Oh my god, that's even weirder. 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:24.639 I know the two older boys. 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:29.519 That's funny that they can't, but I know he's watching no, well, my middle's watching it too. 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:30.879 My middle's like 15. 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.240 My my youngest is 12, basically going at 18. 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:35.279 So yeah, he's watching it. 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:37.199 So I was he's like, it's not that bad. 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:40.480 But I'm like, I don't like zombies, I'm just not a zombie person. 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:43.120 You do I love zombies, yeah. 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:44.800 Oh my gosh, that's funny. 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:48.480 I think there's like two camps either you like zombies or vampires. 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:49.279 I'm in the vampires. 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:50.240 I like them all. 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:51.600 I like them all, girl. 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:53.040 I love all the cryptid stuff. 00:05:53.120 --> 00:06:04.160 Yeah, like if I in a in another life, I'd be a cryptozoologist, like just study of random, you know, aliens and you know, big foods and all that stuff. 00:06:04.240 --> 00:06:04.560 I love it. 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.439 That's really oh, that's too funny. 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:08.720 That's too funny. 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:11.839 I um do you you believe in all of that too? 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:14.800 I mean, to an extent. 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:15.920 Hi, how's it going? 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:16.959 Hey Mike. 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:18.879 Hi, hi, hi, how are you? 00:06:19.600 --> 00:06:20.079 We're great. 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:21.680 Welcome, welcome to the chaos table. 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:25.600 Angela was just saying that um in another lifetime she's gonna, what were you gonna be? 00:06:26.079 --> 00:06:28.079 I would like to be a cryptozoologist. 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:30.560 What does that mean? 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:41.759 I I think that's the word cryptozoologist, basically like the study of all like weird and creepy stuff, like you know, big hood and you know, bat boy and all the random stuff, you know. 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:47.120 Do you want to go you want to go for a ride through Texas and go to all those museums you find at gas stations? 00:06:47.439 --> 00:06:48.160 Oh, yeah, totally. 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:49.439 I would totally do that. 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:50.079 That's awesome. 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:57.279 Back in my younger days, we used to do like, you know, um, you know, the graveyard hunts and all that stuff. 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:57.839 Yeah. 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:01.199 I'm surprised I don't have any ghosts that are attached to me. 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:05.600 I honestly like thought to myself, like, because we're, you know, Mike, thank you for joining us. 00:07:05.680 --> 00:07:07.680 I we're talking horror stuff, right? 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.399 So I was like thinking to myself, I'm like, I don't think I like horror. 00:07:10.560 --> 00:07:12.079 I'm like, I don't know if I like it. 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.560 I don't know if it's a genre that it like particularly grabs me. 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:30.000 And then I was like kind of doing some like thinking back about the different types of movies I watched, and I was like, oh my God, I've watched a lot more horror movies than like I realized because the genre is so like vast and there's so many sh subgenres and niche stuff. 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:39.680 And then I was like, my because we were also talking, we have kids, and so I was saying that my my youngest is watching The Walking Dead, and he didn't get permission to watch that, but whatever, it's happening. 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:40.480 He's the youngest. 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:41.839 We're just gonna look past that. 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:48.639 But I'm thinking, like, how many scary things I watched when I was growing up, you know, like are under the age of 10. 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:50.319 Like, yeah, yeah. 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:54.800 I mean, a lot of the stuff that they had for kids when I was younger. 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:11.439 I mean, if you even go back and you look at Goonies, like Goonies has got a lot of like horror stuff in that movie, like it does skeletons popping out, and they have to play skeleton piano, and like yeah, uh a gangster that's holding a kid's hand in a blender, threatening to like shred it, you know? 00:08:11.759 --> 00:08:14.879 Like it's a pretty horrific little movie, you know. 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:15.439 It is. 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.360 I mean, yeah, and and I was thinking like the shining jaws. 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:27.839 I mean, I remember

watching Jaws when I was on VHS, like, come on, you know, and like those types of movies, and like people don't realize. 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:41.440 And then I was also telling Angela like a lot, like a couple episodes ago, like where I did an audio book or an audio drama, and it was for a horror audio drama, and I didn't realize that, and I was the mom, but I and I like replaced another actor. 00:08:41.600 --> 00:08:48.159 So I kind of came in at the you know, the end of it all, and then um the episode came out, and I was like, oh, oh no, oh no, oh no. 00:08:48.240 --> 00:08:51.200 And I was like, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward, fast forward. 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:53.600 I'm like such a wimp. 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:55.200 No bad dreams for Jazz. 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.039 Exactly. 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:05.039 Well, Mike, we're happy to hear that you're here tonight and like hanging out with us, and um, and uh like how did you get? 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:19.600 I mean, we're talking about movies we used to watch and you mentioned Goonies, like what inspired you to become a filmmaker, you know, and then how did you land in specializing in horror and science fiction, you know? 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:26.879 Um, well, I mean, I grew up uh like anybody else, like because I'm in my mid-40s. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:34.720 So when I was growing up, it was pre-Youtube, and it was I really didn't think about how movies were made, you know. 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:40.720 I I didn't think that Indiana Jones lived in a box in my living room, but I never questioned it, you know? 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:41.279 Yeah. 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:47.679 Um, and when I was a kid, I was very much and still am, I was very much into comic books. 00:09:47.759 --> 00:09:56.159 Like my mom was worried that I didn't like to read, and so she went and picked up like a handful of comics and threw them in front of me and said, These have pictures. 00:09:56.320 --> 00:09:57.679 Go ahead, try to do that. 00:09:57.919 --> 00:09:59.360 Um I like your mom. 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:04.879 Yeah, I don't think she realized what that the chain of events were after that. 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:10.720 Yeah I mean, um, I really got into it just because it was everything that I loved. 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:19.519 It was everything that I love about um comic books and telling a story within a 2D image, and then um I went to school for radio. 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:27.519 It's everything I liked about sharing music and and and and creating really fun atmospheres with tone and music and and lighting. 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:34.480 And then um I just happened to take a film course uh when I was starting school. 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:40.559 I went to like a community uh college to begin and get my credits, and I had to fill some space. 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:44.080 So I just took a film class and uh it blew my mind. 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:46.559 We watched um, you know, Blade Runner. 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:52.080 I saw Blade Runner for the first time, and I was like, Indiana Jones is in this weird movie, you know? 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:59.440 And the um my professor was like, after we watched it, he was like, uh, so what did you think of the wardrobe? 00:10:59.519 --> 00:11:00.240 I'm like, what do you mean? 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:03.919 And he's like, what did you think about the clothing and what did you think about all this stuff? 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:14.960 And I just I know it seems like such a uh you know, like a caveman thing to say now because everybody comes up like knowing too much about how movies are made. 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:19.840 I think ever since Jurassic Park came out, and everybody was like, Did you grow dinosaurs? 00:11:20.080 --> 00:11:29.840 And then they started to release the behind-the-scenes videos that I think our audiences now are so in tune with how movies are made and the process of doing it. 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:30.960 It's kind of sad. 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:37.360 It's like trying to be a magician, and everybody's like, Well, he's got a rabbit in his coat, but that's how good the trick is, you know. 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:50.159 Um, but back then, when I when I saw that movie and I had the professor ask me these questions, it just sort of clicked, and I went, Oh shit, this is everything I love about this and this and this and this and this. 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:53.200 And man, I this is my path. 00:11:53.279 --> 00:12:02.639 And and you know, I've been as an insane person, I've been on this path now for over 25 years, 26 years, or something like that. 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:06.000 So it's um it's an obsession. 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:07.919 It has to be, right? 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:11.519 I mean, to be to stick through it to get through all the ups and downs. 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:22.000 You say Jurassic Park, and I just have to make a note that like I read that book and I loved the book more than the movie, but I did enjoy seeing the adaptation of it on the big screen. 00:12:22.159 --> 00:12:26.320 And I've watched it multiple times because I through all the kids, I have like a wide range of. 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.519 Yeah, it's a great movie, and the book is fantastic. 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:38.559 I I went back and I read the book after I had seen the movie, and then I read Lost World, and I was like, man, I wish they had done a lot of this stuff in the movie. 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:40.240 Yeah, I know it's iconic. 00:12:40.639 --> 00:12:42.159 That's exciting, but back to the wardrobe. 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:57.360 What was it about the wardrobe that like that what was his what was your professor's like point of the wardrobe, like the small details in the scene that if you think back to, I don't know if you've seen the original Blade Runner with Harrison Ford. 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:11.840 If you think back to that movie, it was such a shocking film for that

time period because no one had really seen what now is the formula for every futuristic dystopian movie. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:21.759 Every movie that comes out that has something to do, like whether you're talking the fifth element and even all his new stuff that's on TV, everybody's ripping off Blade Runner. 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:35.360 Um, when you watch that film, they were so crafty on a budget, they were able to take like uh Chinese and Japanese influence and blend it with sort of like future styling. 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:43.519 And I know he worked with uh Ridley Scott works with a bunch of futurists and they're predicting how traffic lights would be at that time period. 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:56.080 And they so uh it was really fascinating to watch people that were obsessed with one specific uh skill set and and what that brought to a project. 00:13:56.399 --> 00:14:03.039 And so fast forward to when you're a director, you start to understand that it's not my job. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.080 I think directors get a lot of credit where they shouldn't. 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.159 I I think a lot of people are like, they're geniuses. 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:13.519 You're now it's it's not like I came out of my mom with an idea of how to direct movies. 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:27.519 Yeah it's the uh skill is collaboration, and the skill is knowing who to work with and who to pick to work with, and really letting that obsessive person loose. 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:38.399 And then basically your taste, it's like someone shows up with five plates of food, and you go, I'll take the potatoes off of that plate, I'll take the steak, and I'll take that, and let's make a plate with all that stuff. 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:39.200 I love that. 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:57.519 I love how you like put that together, you know, because it's like it really is like a collaboration of, you know, you have makeup artists, you have the actors, you have the boom guy, you know, you have the cameraman, you have the people that are, you know, going out and doing wardrobe, you know, and like creating the wardrobe and the sets and all that kind of stuff. 00:14:57.600 --> 00:14:58.879 Yeah, so that's that's interesting. 00:14:58.960 --> 00:14:59.840 I like your perspective. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:00.480 Angela, go ahead. 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:01.120 I think you have this. 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:11.200 Sorry, I just it popped into my head the movie Idiocracy, where they talk where they wear crocs, and that's like the thing in the future, and it cracks me up because that's all everybody wears nowadays. 00:15:11.600 --> 00:15:21.039 So, like the fact that people actually really, you know, take the time to you know figure out what future might be like, and sometimes it actually has weird, right? 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:23.200 You gotta you gotta ask that question, right? 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:30.399 You gotta ask the question, is it was it always gonna be that way, or is

it that way because the movie exists? 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:39.360 Like if you go back and watch if you go back and watch Star Trek, like the early episodes of Star Trek, and they come out with their little flip phones basically the dilit and they talk. 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:48.480 It's like, did the flip phones get made because all the dudes that were designing those phones are Star Trekes and they're nerds, and they're like, Oh, I've always wanted one of those things. 00:15:48.559 --> 00:15:49.679 And so Yeah, yeah. 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:50.080 Yep. 00:15:50.480 --> 00:15:54.000 Chicken or the bet yes, I would bet yes on that one, actually. 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:55.840 Yeah, yeah, maybe. 00:15:56.159 --> 00:15:57.519 That's that's a good point. 00:15:57.679 --> 00:15:58.639 That's a very good point. 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.080 Even the DeLorean, I'm thinking of like, you know, back to the future stuff, you know. 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:06.480 It's like, you know, what's the um the car that's on the road now is everyone's like, what it looks like? 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:07.519 It's super spacey. 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:09.759 Um, I'm it's totally Cybertruck. 00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:10.159 Yes. 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:11.840 Oh, the Cybertruck. 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:12.799 The Cybertruck. 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:15.039 I'm just like, that is so sci-fi. 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:17.679 Like it's just, I can't get over it. 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:18.879 I just can't get over it. 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:20.879 Lloyd, welcome to the party. 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:22.720 Hi, I wasn't gonna be here. 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.039 I think I allowed me to be here. 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.519 Yes, hopefully that's a good thing. 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:33.200 Yes, I'm in DC for my youngest sister's graduation, which happened yesterday. 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.879 We were supposed to go somewhere, but my other sister has a headache and we're not going. 00:16:37.120 --> 00:16:37.279 Okay. 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:39.200 Well, welcome. 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:42.080 Then you get to talk movies and directing and all that fun stuff. 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:43.919 I was like, Go ahead. 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:49.840 I didn't want to interrupt because I uh uh two things happened in the short amount of time that I've been on this call. 00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:50.720 Hello, Mike. 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:51.279 Nice to meet you. 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:51.919 I'm Lloyd. 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:52.960 Oh, okay. 00:16:54.240 --> 00:17:17.599 You immediately reminded me of two weeks ago, I was on a film set and I was script supervising, and uh I was just in awe by how many people had such specific expertise in the one thing that they do. 00:17:19.200 --> 00:17:38.000 That that no one else, it's like, oh there's too much light on this one side of the bathtub, and no one else is looking at the light on that side of the bathtub, and then you then they point it out to you and changing like, oh my god, you're right, there was so much light on that side of the bathtub. 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:38.960 Yeah, dude. 00:17:39.200 --> 00:17:39.759 It's great. 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:40.720 It's great. 00:17:41.279 --> 00:17:48.559 You have these people that uh are so good at what they do and they're so specific that they build muscle memory for the things that they do. 00:17:48.720 --> 00:18:04.160 And so when you see someone that's really good, like if it's an assistant camera person, or if it's uh a camera operator, or uh uh a person that textures walls when they paint walls and they do that kind of stuff, I always love it. 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:20.400 You you sort of it's it's like watching it's like going to a concert and hyper focusing on a violinist in the strings department and just seeing the way that she uh holds it and the years and years of practice and the cheat codes that she has. 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:22.160 It's the same thing on a film set. 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:28.799 It's it's it's a lot of fun to observe uh these people that uh just absolutely love what they do. 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:42.640 Um and when you get the good ones, it's like Spielberg puts his his his dolly grip on retainer because he knows that that guy is so important and integral to the way he visually tells his stories. 00:18:44.559 --> 00:18:45.119 I didn't know that. 00:18:45.759 --> 00:18:46.559 I didn't know that either. 00:18:46.799 --> 00:19:02.319 So so when when you know, we always hear like you know, some of us like that have you know a little bit of experience on camera and we do like commercials in theater and improv and and that kind of stuff, like you always hear about like getting to the director, but like you're saying, like you're not the end all be all, right? 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:18.079 Like, I mean, you are a collaborative um piece to the puzzle so that like when you're making the decisions about casting and you're making the decisions about the project and everything that goes into it, like it's not just you, it's a group of people, right? 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:20.400 That you're collect together and create. 00:19:20.720 --> 00:19:21.279 Yeah. 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:22.480 Yeah, yeah. 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.400 It's interesting, it's time. 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:26.000 It's time. 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:32.240 You know, it's like uh because I've been now been directing for you know 20-something years or whatever. 00:19:32.480 --> 00:19:47.920 Um, and when I first started, you know, you bury your head in the saw in the sand, and you go, all right, I'm gonna learn how to do as much as I possibly can, and I'm gonna try to replicate things that I like, and I'll try to shoot. 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:49.599 Oh, I saw a fight club then. 00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:52.319 I I think I can do that, and I'll try to do that. 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:59.279 And and you attempt to do it, you fail, but in that failure that you do, you go,

Oh, but this trick is pretty cool. 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:00.960 Oh, and this idea is really great. 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:02.319 Log it away, log it away. 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:05.599 And you just sort of you have a toolbox that you're just sort of filling up. 00:20:05.920 --> 00:20:11.759 And so I I have with my show, I have people writing to me all the time, like, how do we get in the business? 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:13.759 And I don't think it's happening fast enough. 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:21.039 I try to explain to them like with anything, the first eight years of what you're doing, no one gives a shit. 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:26.160 Like it's creative, eight years of you practicing, eight years of you sort of digging into this world. 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:48.079 Yeah, and then when you get to a point where you start to get recognized for all that work and that hard work, then as a director, a lot of people are thrust into it with ego issues where you have imposter syndrome, uh where you know you've convinced people to let you run the show, and you really don't have as much as experience as what you've told people you do. 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:56.240 And so then when you're younger, what you end up doing is you hide behind being loud and you hide behind have having all the answers. 00:20:56.400 --> 00:21:03.039 And so I I think a lot of people turn to arrogance to to cover up their insecurity. 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:22.319 And then you sort of hopefully, quickly, you learn like whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm actually being destructive to the vision, I'm actually being destructive to the process that is required to make this thing more than some dumb idea I sketched on a notepad in my pajamas late one night. 00:21:22.559 --> 00:21:22.960 You know? 00:21:23.519 --> 00:21:40.160 And so then as you get older and the the hairs on your beard get gray, you start to realize that there's a power to casting the people around you, whether it's crew or talent, that you want to have there when shit goes wrong or when things are falling apart. 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:53.839 And there's a strong power, even though I have done my homework and I know what I think this is going to be, to stand in front of a group of people who are incredibly talented and go, guys and girls, I don't know how to do this. 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:55.200 So who does? 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:56.000 Put your hand up. 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:57.119 Who's done this before? 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:57.519 Great. 00:21:57.680 --> 00:21:58.480 What have you done before? 00:21:58.559 --> 00:21:59.119 What have you done before? 00:21:59.200 --> 00:21:59.839 What have you done before? 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.640 Even though I have what I think is an answer back there, oftentimes I'll just do that. 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:07.759 So that way that team goes, well, ah, cool. 00:22:08.079 --> 00:22:09.680 And I go, that's awesome. 00:22:09.759 --> 00:22:10.799 I never would have thought of that. 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:12.880 I never would have written written that down on a notepad. 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:13.519 Let's go with that. 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:14.160 Run with that. 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:14.799 Run with that. 00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:15.200 You know? 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:17.920 That's really cool to hear that. 00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:23.279 You know, because a lot of times people put directors up on pedestals, you know, and then you're like nervous. 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.400 And and um I but there's all different styles of directors. 00:22:26.480 --> 00:22:29.759 So it sounds like you're more of a collaborative um director, too. 00:22:29.920 --> 00:22:31.839 Your camera is zooming right in on you. 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:32.480 I know. 00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:32.880 I know. 00:22:32.960 --> 00:22:35.680 I had I don't know how to shut this feature off on my Zoom right now. 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:48.400 You know, and it I think that does um I would say would help along with your casting crew and whoever's working with you is, you know, the leadership that you show and giving them the opportunity to step up and say, Oh yeah, I know how to do that. 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:53.599 And then that, you know, let leads them into their own direction, you know, like maybe somebody does want to be a director one day. 00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:57.519 And this gave them the opportunity to say, Hey, yeah, I've done this before, you know. 00:22:57.599 --> 00:22:57.759 Yeah. 00:22:57.920 --> 00:23:03.759 So uh that leadership is I think is parallel to to being a great director in in essence, too. 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:13.200 So and I'm curious, uh, because I did read that you are classically trained in silent cinematography, yes, and directing. 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:14.799 So what what is that? 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:18.480 Because like, you know, like expand on that because I was like, what? 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:20.160 That's so that's interesting. 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:21.359 That's kind of niche, right? 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:22.160 I mean, a little bit, no? 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:25.119 Yeah, it's I mean, uh I think a few people have done it. 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:28.079 I don't I I just don't think that they describe it that way. 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.839 Um, I went to film school when I decided that that's what I want to do. 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:33.519 I went to film school in New York. 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:45.200 Um, and the school and I I only did it for a short period of time, but the school was teaching us how to make movies on old black and white film without sound. 00:23:45.359 --> 00:23:56.799 So we were actually just shooting on reversal black and white film that we would expose, develop, and then we would cut, actually cut film and tape film and yeah. 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:03.839 So learning that way really teaches you how to be uh prepared. 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:17.279 It teaches you how to be an editor when you're

filming because you only have a certain amount of film, and then it it's I don't know if any of you edit at all, but when you're using a digital edit system, they often call it the bin. 00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:25.359 The reason why they call it the bin for your clips is that when you're cutting film, there's literally a bin, a trash can that has hooks over it. 00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:31.359 And so when you cut pieces of the film off, you hang them by the sprockets on the hooks, and then you see the edit. 00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:36.960 And oftentimes you'll lose them, they'll fall off, they'll fall into this huge bin of film strips. 00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:45.279 And so making tiny cuts is really difficult when you're just doing that um old film cutting. 00:24:45.440 --> 00:25:03.519 So it teaches you how to tell a story on longer takes, it teaches you how to tell a story um uh uh smartly, and then when I say silent filmmaking, you have to learn pretty quickly how to tell an audience what's happening on screen without dialogue. 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:06.480 So it's blocking, it's body language. 00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:10.400 If a character is standing taller than the other character, is that a power move? 00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:12.880 Like how does how does that change? 00:25:13.039 --> 00:25:15.200 If they're closer to the camera, what does that mean? 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:28.799 If there are is a room full of 30 people and someone has an emotional response and all 30 people respond to it, that's a powerful image as opposed to just one person in a space having a response. 00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.799 So um it's cool. 00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:34.880 All those skills uh are part of what I do. 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:47.359 And and it fast forward years and years later, when I directed a film called 12 kilometers, yeah, I did in a language I don't speak, so that whole movie is in Russian and I don't speak Russian. 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:47.759 Right. 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:53.599 And so the skills of silent filmmaking were incredibly important to me when I was putting that together. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:58.880 How did you um how did that come across your your dash? 00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.599 It's a it's a a longer story. 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:07.519 Uh like uh for years, um, I was running a production company back on the East Coast. 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:26.880 I was running a production company, and we would do music videos, and then MTV died, and then music videos started to die, and so then we had to go into commercials, and I was just doing the grind for for a long time, and you get lost in that world where it's like job to job, and I gotta pay rent, I have a staff, I gotta pay for them. 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:33.680 And I'm like, man, I'm I'm not making movies, that's what I want to do, is make movies, and so I was getting really upset. 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:44.240 At the same time, I went on a date, I went on a first date um with Gina, and uh she took me ice skating, and I've never been ice skating before. 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:51.039 And so we stepped out onto the ice and I slipped and I fell and I cracked my skull, and I ended up in intensive care. 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:58.720 Um, and that's how she met my family because she had to call everybody in, and the doctor was like, You can't go to sleep, you might die. 00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:01.759 And so I was in intensive care for about five days. 00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:14.640 Um, and I had multiple concussions from this, and the byproduct of it was that I was convinced that my inner voice didn't belong to me, that it was somebody else speaking, was like this byproduct. 00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:18.400 And of course, me being a horror fan, I was completely fascinated by it. 00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.720 And I'm like, this is interesting and fun and cool, and that's so cool. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:24.079 Yeah. 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:49.920 Uh, and so I went through the process of recovery on that, and then about five months of recovery after the concussions, and in that period of time, I was so inspired that I wrote a script about a guy who couldn't trust his inner voice, and that ended up uh becoming this feature version of 12 kilometers, and then as soon as I got better, I basically blew up my world and I was like, I'm done doing commercials, I'm done doing all this shit. 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:56.720 Um, I'm just gonna do a proof of concept short film and dived headfirst into the proof of concept. 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.920 Um, and then that caught fire. 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:10.559 I because I was collaborating so much, I met a great cinematographer who introduced me to a writer, a Hollywood writer, and uh he's now my writer. 00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:20.720 And um, he introduced me to like uh Michael Bay's people, and then I got agents and management, all from this short film that I shot back in Boston. 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:28.000 Um, and that really put me on the map and started the whole spiral of the of the career. 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:32.960 So and uh short film was called 12 kilometers. 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.759 Oh, that's that's what okay, because okay, very good. 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.000 Because you have another one that I read about too. 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:39.200 Yeah, oh yeah, yeah. 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:45.920 We had a big announcement this week, but um, yeah, and then with uh Gina, you know, we've been together now for almost 16 years. 00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:48.880 It's a love story, it was a great trauma bond, wasn't it? 00:28:49.039 --> 00:28:58.400 It was a great that's a sci-fi trauma bond, birth of a career, giant move, like wow. 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:06.799 What's interesting, and not to get too serious, but what's interesting when you find yourself um on death's bed, and I've been there twice. 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:13.920 When you find yourself on death's bed, you really start to understand

your relationships and the relationships that are around you. 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:23.039 And there are different types of people, they're the type of people that will walk into the room and see you on the bed and say, I can't believe this is happening to me. 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:31.839 Yeah, it's a big group of those people out there that do that, and you realize when you're in that scenario, you go, Oh man, like that's not really healthy for me. 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:33.200 And that's not really healthy. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.200 What am I getting out of this, you know? 00:29:35.359 --> 00:29:36.000 Yeah. 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:43.759 Um, and then there is the other group of people like Gina, who never shed a tear, was always completely supportive. 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:50.640 Like, of course, she went and took care of all of her own stresses on her own, but was incredibly supportive, and it meant a lot. 00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:51.359 It really did. 00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:58.160 It was like, wow, you really, really are not a selfish person, and you're someone that wants to develop something in. 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.720 Yeah, you know, yeah, absolutely. 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:02.240 That's go ahead, Lloyd. 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:03.519 Oh, I well now. 00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.880 I feel like it's not as we've gotten as sensitive uh. 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.319 I want to ask this for clarification. 00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:19.759 So you wrote a story about someone who didn't believe the voice in their head while you were actively not believing the voice in your head? 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:20.480 Yeah. 00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:22.160 Well, twisted. 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:23.920 I love it. 00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:25.119 That's so meta. 00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:28.480 Um, that's the best time to write that story, dude. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:28.880 Right. 00:30:29.039 --> 00:30:33.440 Well, my question is, how did you believe what you were writing? 00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:38.160 Oh god, you were being misled by this voice in your head. 00:30:38.319 --> 00:30:40.480 Oh yes, you opened up a can of worms. 00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:41.599 Look out, Lloyd. 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.119 We're going down a rattle hole. 00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:46.880 I mean, dude, I the way I looked at it was who cares? 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.200 You know, I don't need to believe what this is. 00:30:49.519 --> 00:31:06.880 Like the it you just can't, it's like it's like trying to write about war and you never go to war, you know, and then suddenly you find yourself dropped in a war zone and you're experiencing all this stuff, and all you're doing is just sort of documenting it, going like, Jesus, you know, and then this happened, and the way the person responded to that. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:18.640 And it's the I mean, one of the byproducts of the the head injury when I had the and I fully healed, but when I had the concussion is that I had I lost the ability to

filter out background noise. 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.599 Wow. 00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.640 And so you would go, I couldn't go out. 00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:25.839 You'd go out to a restaurant, you would hear everything all at the same time. 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:32.000 You'd hear someone chewing, the conversation, the clinking of the plates, the chefs in the kitchen. 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:47.599 You would just hear all this, and you just don't realize like sound, like noise canceling headphones, your brain is constantly like taking all this information that is just bombarding us and filtering it down to the specifics that you need. 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:48.640 Crazy. 00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.839 That's probably what's happening with me with my husband right now. 00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.400 We've been together for so long, and some of the chewing of certain things. 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.599 I'm like, can we just not to not to make it humorous, but no? 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:03.359 My dad, my dad has that same skill. 00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:08.400 So for somehow, he's able to be deaf to the same frequency that my mom's voice is on right now. 00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:11.039 You know, they say that's a thing about teenagers too. 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.839 Teenagers filter out their parents' voices for whatever reason. 00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.319 Like it's a scientifically proven fact. 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:19.200 So brain is amazing. 00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.359 That's probably why we're still married. 00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:23.200 I need to filter out the chewing. 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:25.440 And your parents are married for a long time too. 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:26.640 Well, that's so interesting. 00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:28.000 Wow, that's like crazy. 00:32:28.160 --> 00:32:30.319 So, like, I find that super cool. 00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.319 That I mean, not that you had a brain injury. 00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.640 I mean, that's not super cool, but it was super cool. 00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:35.359 It was super cool. 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.160 I mean, a negative turned into a positive. 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:39.599 I really thrive on that. 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.519 Like, I love that like whole perspective. 00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:49.279 You know, you took a negative situation and you like you've, you know, healed and and are thriving and and took it and made it creative. 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.200 You know, like you said, there are other types of people too. 00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:55.200 You talked about the different types of people that, you know, go through the healing process with you. 00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:02.319 And but like there are different types of people out there that also take negative things and just live in the negative and they don't pivot. 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:08.240 They don't, they can't because they don't have the skills, they don't have the internal strength, you know, and and that happens. 00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:17.039 But there are some people out there that just take the negative and try to climb out of the darkness and and spin it or pivot into something positive. 00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:17.839 So I think that's cool. 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:18.799 I dig that. 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:19.839 Yeah, yeah. 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.160 I mean, like I learned some good lessons. 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:23.279 I tell this to a lot of people. 00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:28.960 I like because I had the head injury, and then last February I broke this arm pretty badly. 00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.079 So I have like reconstructs with the titanium plate and all the stuff that's in this arm. 00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:39.599 And I I say to them, like, the best thing you can do, because this shit's gonna come out of nowhere. 00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:40.319 Yeah, right. 00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:47.599 You know, you're gonna have something that happens to you, it comes out of nowhere, and the best thing you can do is just be a great patient. 00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:48.480 Yes. 00:33:48.799 --> 00:34:11.199 If you are somebody like when I was laying on the ground with this arm broken, and I was riding my bike around the Hollywood reservoir, there's a big track that's up here, and and I hit this manhole cover and I went over my handlebars, and I was I was probably doing about 15 miles an hour, and I landed, and I I hit that ground, and I started screaming my brains out. 00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:22.400 And um, but but when I hit the manhole cover, I was avoiding this group of like 15 off-duty firefighters that were just jogging. 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:38.400 So luckily they were there, and I went over and I'm laying on the ground and I'm just screaming, and the world is throbbing, and I have all these big tough guys just like leaning over me and looking down at me, and I was like, guys, I was like, guys, don't judge me, don't judge me. 00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:51.440 And if you're fun with all these people, I remember I was joking around with the ambulance guys, and then when you're in with the doctor, you joke around with them, and yeah, you're just a good person. 00:34:51.599 --> 00:34:58.800 People really want to take care of you, and people really give you the best, and and it keeps your spirits up. 00:34:58.960 --> 00:35:03.519 Um, because you know, I had to go through physical therapy all year, I can finally do this again. 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:10.480 And um, you know, if I could very easily just go like, I can't believe this fucking happened to me, and this is my world. 00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:13.039 And yeah, I'm only hurting myself. 00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:13.440 Yeah. 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.679 So wow, you must set off a lot of alarms if you're going through the airport. 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:27.039 Yeah, if I die, you can use my arm as like a zombie beating stick because it's you know, get all the screws, get 12 screws in there, you know. 00:35:27.280 -->

00:35:27.760 Note it. 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:35.280 So, what was um what like going back, like you know, reversing back to like when you were a kid and like the movies that influenced you? 00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:37.920 You mentioned the Goonies, like you mentioned Indiana Jones. 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:39.280 Like, I love Indiana Jones. 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.199 That's like one of my favorite series ever. 00:35:41.280 --> 00:35:44.880 I had it on, oh my gosh, yeah, I had a VHS, I had DVD. 00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.599 Um, like what are some other movies that like you can because I was thinking about that. 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:51.840 I was like thinking about all the different movies that influenced me as a kid. 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:57.840 And Lloyd, I've actually watched a lot more horror films than I thought I had that I did not realize. 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:06.800 But like, what is like what are like what are some of the most influential movies, you know, that I mean I I would totally say Indiana Jones is up there, yeah. 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:13.360 Um, but I was also like a huge diehard fan, I was a huge lethal weapon fan. 00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:13.840 Yeah. 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:23.679 Um, if you're gonna start talking about horror nightmare on Elm Street, I think my favorite horror movie of all time is John Carpenter's the thing, and that is like in my DNA. 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.000 Yeah, um, you mentioned the shining. 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:36.000 I mean, there was a period of time where I would either put the Blade Runner score on or the shining score on when I went to bed at night, and that's how I would fall to sleep. 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:37.599 That's pretty intense. 00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:38.960 That is very intense. 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:40.960 Gina gets mad at me when I do that. 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:42.159 She's just like, What's wrong with you? 00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:43.519 I'm like, yeah, it's great, man. 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:44.239 I'm going to sleep. 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.360 I'm in the shining world. 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:46.000 It's great. 00:36:46.320 --> 00:37:12.079 I remember listening, I remember like I was back in the day, we would go to sleepovers, you know, and they would be putting on the slasher movies like Freddie and uh Jason, which is uh, and I would be the one in the laundry room, like, because I didn't have a cell phone, and you know, and that meant I would have to go all the way up the dark stairs to go upstairs to the dark house where the parents were already sleeping to go to the wall phone to maybe call to see if a parent could come get me, and they would say no. 00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:22.719 And so I would be, and this is like I'm not traumatized or anything, but I would be in the laundry room, like singing Mary had a little lamb, so I could drown out. 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.960 Cause like I was, I could I just I'm not a big fan of those type of horror movies at all. 00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:29.360 Like, but I did enjoy The Shining. 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:35.440 Um, you know, I remember watching Carrie, you know, I guess like, you know, Stephen King is like what the king of horror. 00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:35.840 Yeah. 00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:44.239 So I mean, but I can't, I can only tell you that like a couple Halloweens ago, someone thought it'd be really cute to tie is it the red balloons? 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:44.719 What is that? 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:45.280 Is that it? 00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.360 Yeah, it's outside. 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:53.199 I walked outside my door and I was like, holy hell, who just did this? 00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:58.400 And I literally for a second was like, what if there's something in there? 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.719 Like I love it. 00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.920 I mean, there's something there's something so fun about it. 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:57.679 I think that I think one of the reasons why I got into doing horror is that I've been just constantly chasing and trying to relive how I felt when I was like 13, 14 years old, and I watched uh a bunch of these horror movies, and just how magical, I mean, movies in general can be this way, but just how magical it was to like you know, have a shitty week at school and be terrible at what I was doing, or have awful grades, or you know, spend a whole day doing chores, and then you go down to the basement where we had our TV stuff set up, and you'd shut off all the lights and grab a bowl of popcorn, and then this little box in your room would start glowing, and you'd stick in a VHS or a DVD, and and suddenly outside of the frame of that glowing box, the rest of that world would just sort of stream and melt away. 00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.880 And and now you're in a whole new place. 00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:13.280 I my favorite part of movies, any movie, I don't care what it is, it could be Step Up Six, or it could be uh Fast and Furious, is the first three minutes of a movie. 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:24.000 It's like going over to a stranger's house and being invited in, and you're just looking around and you're taking everything in like weird. 00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:29.199 You've got like a bunch of expired magazines on your table and like interesting wallpaper choice. 00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:31.360 And like, what's that smell in here? 00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:44.400 You know, like all of that stuff happens when you first walk into someone's house, and it's it's exciting because you're using your senses to build exposition, and you're going like, I wonder, oh, that's an interesting picture of her and her grandmother. 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:45.679 Where's her grandmother from? 00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:57.519 And so you're your brain is just firing like crazy, and then you talk to the person, and most of the time you're deciding whether or not the story that you build through that exposition is actually true or not. 00:39:57.599 -->

00:40:03.519 And then sometimes you're disappointed when you meet somebody and you talk to them, and other times you're surprised, like, really? 00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:11.119 I saw like the motorcycle boots and the motorcycle jacket, but you're uh a science teacher, weird, you know? 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:24.559 So that's the best part of movies for me because I think if it's done correctly, and I think that's kind of the sin of the the whole the new generation has a low attention span, which I think is bullshit. 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:39.440 But watching these movies where it's just like high speed, get to the meat, get to the potatoes, you're missing the opportunity for the audience to have that bit where they're staring at the screen and the world melts away and they walk into a stranger's house. 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:46.880 I have to ask, would you say, as a director, in your opinion, that's the most important part of a movie? 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:48.159 That first three minutes? 00:40:48.559 --> 00:41:04.079 I would say this is I'm planning a movie right now, and I keep saying, My job, all we have to do is crush the first five minutes of a movie and nail the last 15 minutes of a movie. 00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:19.440 Because in between we could fuck it up a bunch of times, as long as the opening grabs you and brings you in and you're excited, and I pay it off in some sort of satisfying way at the end, then at least it'll be a B plus movie, you know. 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:20.559 I would agree with that. 00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:30.400 I mean, I just we just went to see Project Hail Mary, which is like the you know, the latest, I guess, like it's like science and space, and you know, it's got um aliens. 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:35.199 And I remember watching the trailer and I thought, okay, this is intriguing. 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.719 You know, like I'm interested. 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:38.159 My kids might want to go see it. 00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:38.960 Let's go see it. 00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.159 But I was like, how are they going to get from here to here? 00:41:42.320 --> 00:41:44.800 And how are they going to introduce the alien? 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.199 How are they gonna introduce, like, so I was already thinking, like, am I gonna be disappointed? 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:50.320 Am I not gonna be disappointed? 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.880 But I left the movie feeling inspired. 00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:54.800 I like the comedic twist. 00:41:54.960 --> 00:42:00.800 You know, I thought, well, I didn't completely buy in on the alien part, but I left feeling like pretty good about it. 00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:01.679 You know what I'm saying? 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.679 Like just in it, it was like a and I mean, you can't go wrong with the main character. 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:14.800 I mean, he's you've got a little, you've got a little Ryan Gosling, and then you've got a cute little rock guy and it likes to listen to pop music and tap a window, you know. 00:42:16.239 --> 00:42:25.280 You could put Ryan Gosling in anything, and he's just gonna and it's and and then he's got the charm and the comedic timing, you know what I'm saying? 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:32.639 And you know, and he's not like the most amazing looking actor, but he's got just enough, like I don't, you know, like what is that? 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:33.280 Like, what is that? 00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:34.079 What would you say that is? 00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.119 Yeah, maybe he's got he's I don't know, as a director, he's got something, right? 00:42:39.199 --> 00:42:40.880 Like can you see that in actors? 00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:42.559 Like, yeah, it's funny, man. 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:56.400 Like they call it like he's just got the thing, he's got this thing, and then when you I I read an article or I read a blurb from Guillermo del Toro, and he he was trying to explain the formula of what it is. 00:42:56.719 --> 00:43:02.400 If you look at actors that are successful, there's a couple things. 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:04.400 I uh let me try to say this the right way. 00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:06.480 There's a cut, there's a there's a couple things I noticed. 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:10.400 Like moving out here to Hollywood, I'm just under six foot, right? 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:11.360 From the East Coast. 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:36.639 So I'm a tall guy, and normally I've been in rooms and I'm generally like there's usually if I'm at a party or something, there's like maybe on the east coast, there's like you know, 10 other guys that are probably about eye height, but you come out here to California and you feel you feel like Jelly the Green Giant, you know, you're in bars and you're just like heads are about down to here, and you're just swimming over everything. 00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:39.519 So actors tend to be short. 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:40.960 I'm not saying all are. 00:43:41.119 --> 00:44:20.000 You have like the Charlie Stones, and which then become troublesome when they are on screen next to Tom Cruise because now you have to have about 40 apple boxes just to make people, but um, they tend to be shorter, and then there's this weird bit where they tend to have heads that are just Little pig, so they slightly larger heads, and then there's something about um what I you know what's fascinating is that I think people think that you're supposed to be perfect, and that like an actor and actress is supposed to be like uh beautiful, gorgeous, and absolutely perfect. 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.400 But I don't think it's true, especially now. 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:35.119 You watch and you look at a lot of the leads, you realize that they have like funky eye placement or like some sort of funky a lot of people like oh, they have like a European look, or there's something interesting and strange. 00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.400 And think about it this way. 00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:42.800 I was watching um I think it was a

Korean movie. 00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:54.559 I was watching a Korean film, and I was, you know, you go through that whole film, and a lot of those folks are all dressed the same way, and you're just you're going like on a wide shot, like which who's the character? 00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.840 Which character's standing out? 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.400 Like, how do I know where my main character is? 00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:04.960 Um, and I think it's the same way when other cultures are watching our films too, where they're like, Who's the most important character? 00:45:05.039 --> 00:45:07.920 And it goes, Oh, like Adrian Brody, the guy with the big nose, right? 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:13.440 He's the lead, or the you know, like yeah, what's her name from uh Furiosa? 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:15.920 Um, and she was in the chess series. 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:16.960 Forget that actress. 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:18.400 Uh Anna Taylor Joy. 00:45:18.639 --> 00:45:24.480 Yeah, like she's the one with like the the Cindy Lou who features and and like the the big eyes. 00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:25.920 Oh, right, right, right, right. 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:32.159 And so I think those features really are the formula for people uh to become leads. 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:51.039 And if you look at Ryan, Ryan, Ryan Gosling, he um has a very specific look, but he is all about that, like not shy, but like that sort of I use comedy, yeah, aloof self-deprecating, yeah, but I'm also super cute, and a lot of ladies think I'm hot. 00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:59.519 But I'm I was the the only boy in uh in the kids' dance troupe of all girls that was the lead dance, like that's the thing, yeah. 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:00.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:03.039 Um because it's different. 00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:20.400 I have a lot of actor buddies of mine that are like, you know, open up the Ken doll package, you know what I mean, and you take them out, and they just don't have that thing that you give them in a lineup, and everybody goes, You got that thing, and you go, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:22.320 He stands out, he's there's a trick there. 00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:26.559 Yeah, there's like something, there's a little bit of energy, a vibe, maybe like, yeah, something. 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.199 And it goes for female actors too, or you can see that too. 00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:35.440 So, so okay, so you have a lot of actor friends, like you've always been behind the camera. 00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:38.159 So, have you ever thought about going in front of the camera? 00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:40.960 I mean, because you'd hear about directors, you know. 00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:43.440 Yeah, actors, directors, directors, actors. 00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.639 I'm not an actor, I do go in front of the camera a lot for my podcast. 00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:49.440 We film our show and we do that kind of thing. 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:57.199 Uh, over time you learn in our business that um uh my job is a very social job. 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:28.639 Like it, I think when you're younger and you're a little art student and you're like the Tim Burton, like you know, goth kid that like his sketches on the back of his math book, and you just don't get it, you know, and like that whole you eventually realize that when you want to make these movies, you want to do art that requires more than a uh a cup full of paintbrushes, and your paintbrushes are actually people that have maritable marital problems and have all sorts of different things, and you have to convince your paintbrushes to to to paint, you know. 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:29.199 Right. 00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:46.159 Your job is social, and so then you spend a lot of time learning how to tell a story and captivate people and and um paint a picture visually in the Italian with the hands and the whole thing, all that stuff becomes a piece of it. 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:55.360 So, yeah, I often end up in front of the camera for the that reason, but try to get me to mem memorize lines, it goes back to the kid that couldn't read and I had to get comic books. 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.760 I'm like, draw me a couple pictures, and I'll remember that. 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:04.480 What about even like like Easter egg, like you know, Stanley's in the background or you know, stuff so I love that, yeah. 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:09.440 I would love to, but the problem that I've had is that there's so much for me to do. 00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:10.159 I know, right? 00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.719 Like, who has for me to do behind like so? 00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:18.159 If I jump in front of the camera, there's a hole, and I'm like, Wow, someone else is better at this. 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:19.360 Get the thing. 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:20.000 I like that. 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:25.039 Yeah, I like how it is to watch a movie with you for the first time. 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:26.159 Is it annoying? 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:26.800 Yeah. 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:32.079 Because I feel like you have that mind where you're seeing things that other people are not watching for. 00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:40.960 You're obviously looking at, you know, oh, this camera angle, that guy, you know, came in too fast with that Zoom, or you know, you know, look at the continuity in this one and that one, you know. 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:43.760 Like, I'm sure it's probably interesting watching movies next to you. 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:45.039 Yeah, you can ask my fiance. 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:46.000 I think she gets better. 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:51.280 Yeah, she's probably like, uh you even watch movies now, like is it ruined for you? 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:52.000 Oh, okay. 00:48:52.079 --> 00:48:53.039 It's not ruined for you. 00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:53.360 Okay. 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:54.320 No, no, no. 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:55.119 I love movies. 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.880 I love I

love getting lost in stuff. 00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:02.320 I think when something does when something annoys me, when something annoys me, it's pretty tough. 00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:06.880 Like, I'm the worst guy to watch reality TV with. 00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:16.639 Like if I'm sitting on the couch with you on reality TV and and you know, you're lost in the moment, you're like, oh my God, like that line that they're saying is so real. 00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.840 I go, yeah, but how did they get it from three different angles? 00:49:20.079 --> 00:49:25.599 Yeah, that meant that they that's not legitimate. 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:27.360 There's nothing legitimate about that. 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:28.159 Yeah, yeah. 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.639 That's everybody goes, oh no. 00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:31.760 And you go, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:32.880 Here's the curtain. 00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:36.800 Get rid of the shit. 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:37.760 Yeah, funny. 00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:40.320 I can see that. 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.960 I actually remember that from high, like from college and taking like a little bit of TV courses. 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:49.679 And ever since then, I've looked at TV in different angles and you know, just the way people do things. 00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:55.360 And I'm just like, that doesn't, you know, I'm sitting next to me is maybe not the most comfortable thing sometimes. 00:49:55.679 --> 00:50:00.800 But that that being said, like um, I used to do this a lot back on the East Coast. 00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:20.400 Um, once a month, I would uh rent out a theater, and then I would hire a uh poster artist to do a movie poster for one of my favorite movies growing up as a kid, and then I was surprised by how many young kids that I had working with me that hadn't seen a lot of the classics. 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:35.119 So we would screen, you know, Lethal Weapon 2, or we would screen movies that we loved in this theater, and it was open forum where you can yell and scream, and jokes were made, and and the thing was a lot of fun. 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.719 So I love, I mean, that's why I make movies. 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:45.280 I I love watching movies with people, and I'm I've never been afraid to go watch my own movie. 00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.599 I don't understand directors that are just like, I can't go in there, I can't walk. 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:58.960 It's like, dude, what yeah, not only is it the best research and development whether or not your ideas are are working, but you know, what are you doing it for? 00:50:59.119 --> 00:51:02.960 Like if not for experiencing it with people, yeah. 00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:04.800 Right, right, that makes sense. 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:05.920 That totally makes sense. 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:09.119 So you're more of a Kevin Smith than a Steven Spielsberg. 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.559 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:13.519 That's a good one. 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:19.440 I would say though, I am a I am a student of the Spielberg more than I am the Kevin Smith. 00:51:20.079 --> 00:51:24.000 But yeah, I I would I would say that yeah, you can't personality-wise, yeah. 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:27.039 Well, also, too, it's like a good learning lesson. 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:30.719 I mean, we all come from voiceover, that's how we all kind of got together. 00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:32.719 And um, Angela and I are so from radio. 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:37.119 So back in the earlier in the conversation, when you mentioned radio, we're both like from radio as well. 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.880 Um, and it's like, you know, when you hear your own voice, some people are like, oh, I can't listen to it. 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:52.480 But you have to, you have to, you have to listen to it over and over and over again because it's a great tool to learn how you're saying something and where you need to inflect and where you need to not inflect. 00:51:52.639 --> 00:52:09.039 And I will tell you, like, I was watching a um a show with my husband, and and of course, like, you know, there's a the same narration in the beginning of the show every time, and it's this one voice actor, and I'm like, oh, I every single time I'm like, I do not like the way that he says that word. 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.000 And then my husband's like, you say that every time. 00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:17.199 But it's like hard not to, you know, it's hard, but I still watch the show, you know. 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:18.079 I still listen. 00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:19.760 Like, can we just skip the intro, please? 00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:21.679 Like, can we just forward? 00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:36.159 I I mean, I get it, and and it's interesting you guys are talking about voiceover work, and voices are such a voice is such an interesting tool, and the performance of a voice is an interesting tool. 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:41.599 And then when you because we all hear ourselves differently in our heads, right? 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:55.840 When we speak, we the low tones are bouncing around in our skull, like all of that, we're getting the resonate through through our our eardrums, through our bones, all that stuff is making our voice sound good to us, it makes it sound really great. 00:52:56.000 --> 00:53:05.519 And then if you watch uh something that someone shot of you on an iPhone with some shitty recording device, you just hear this mids, at least I do. 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:09.519 You hear like the mids and maybe a little bit of highs, and you're like, that's not my fucking voice. 00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:28.079 And it wasn't until I started doing the because I've done my podcast now for like nine years, and once I got behind like a nice microphone, like a sure microphone, and then I just was like dialing in my compression and I built the voice to sound the way the voice actually sounds in my head. 00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:34.480 So when I

listen to the show now, I go, that's me, because that's what I hear. 00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:36.639 That's interesting. 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:37.199 Yeah. 00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:39.760 Um, yeah, let's talk about your podcast. 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:40.239 Yeah. 00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:42.800 And and wait, I have one question before we move on to that. 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:53.920 Um was the voice that you said was not you in your head before you created 12 kilometers, did it sound different? 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:56.239 No, I mean you know what I'm saying? 00:53:56.320 --> 00:53:57.360 Like, no, no, no. 00:53:57.440 --> 00:53:59.039 Here's what's interesting about it. 00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:00.400 What is your voice? 00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:10.239 Because okay, here this is an interesting thing because this came out recently where there are people out there who claim not to have an internal voice. 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:11.360 Oh, really? 00:54:11.679 --> 00:54:14.400 Now, does everybody here have an internal voice? 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.199 Like, and let me put some context into it. 00:54:17.280 --> 00:54:24.719 It's like you're gonna solve a puzzle, or you've got a day planned ahead of you, and you're running through your list. 00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:26.960 What do you hear in your head? 00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:28.480 Hear me. 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:30.000 I can hear my voice. 00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:30.719 Yeah. 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:31.679 Right? 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:32.639 Right? 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:37.039 Like some sometimes You see what I'm sure, Lloyd. 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:42.079 I don't look, look, I don't think about this conscientiously. 00:54:42.239 --> 00:54:48.000 I often I can hear myself in my head if I think about hearing myself in my head. 00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:52.880 I don't, I don't just like randomly hear myself in my head if that makes sense. 00:54:53.360 --> 00:54:54.159 What do you hear? 00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.639 I uh my thoughts are just weird. 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:01.840 I have ADHD and they're all over the place. 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:13.760 I don't necessarily hear a voice either, but like sometimes I will like I I will hear my thoughts, so maybe there is a voice behind it, but like I will answer myself. 00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:16.079 You know, like I'll answer myself. 00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:16.960 I'll answer myself. 00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:21.440 So I must be hearing my internal voice, just not consciously recognizing it. 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:22.719 I'll have to think about that again. 00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:25.599 Wait, so you don't hear your own tone in your voice? 00:55:25.679 --> 00:55:28.000 Like when you ask yourself, what do I gotta do today? 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:29.119 You don't hear your own tone. 00:55:30.320 --> 00:55:33.119 Now that you're asked now that you're bringing out right out this. 00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:34.000 No, but I'll answer. 00:55:35.599 --> 00:55:43.760 Like, you know,

you know, it's you know what's fascinating about it is I think that there are the people that have asked themselves that and have registered that. 00:55:43.920 --> 00:55:51.519 I think once that's presented to you, then and you have to put some sort of voice behind it, some sort of definition behind it. 00:55:51.679 --> 00:56:00.960 You go, well, of course, it's my own voice, but um, I can only assume that if you've never asked yourself that question, then you've never made that association. 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:10.079 It's not like inside of our heads there's another one of us that's like sitting in a corner eating a bag of Doritos going, Hey, you know what you should do today. 00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:10.880 Yeah. 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.079 There it's some people, baby. 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.920 So that so I bring this up to answer your question. 00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:21.519 It was always my voice. 00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:33.519 And that's what's scary about it is that imagine you're in a situation where that internal place that you turn to where you go, do these genes look good on me? 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:35.440 Or should I call my mother today? 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.239 Or did I do the right thing when I did this? 00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:47.760 Or imagine if that voice wasn't you, the person that answered you back wasn't you, but it was disguised as you. 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:54.000 And and then who would you become and what decisions would you make in that whole process? 00:56:54.239 --> 00:56:55.039 That is a wild. 00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:56.320 Yeah, that's interesting. 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:57.440 That's so cool. 00:56:57.679 --> 00:56:59.119 That's that's very fun. 00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:00.480 That's what I would do. 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:09.199 You know what funny is I heard, you know, like sometimes when you have those moments where you're, you know, you're in a bad place and you're talking down on yourself. 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.800 Um, uh some people were suggesting that you need to name that person. 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:18.960 Uh, you know, even if it is, you know, you could hear your own self speaking like, oh, you shouldn't eat that, it's gonna make you fat. 00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:25.039 You know, like you need to rename that person because that person is not technically your own voice, it's the bad voice. 00:57:25.280 --> 00:57:28.239 So maybe there are two other it's interesting. 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.159 I had a friend say the same thing, but differently. 00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:47.679 Um, and it was uh it was a a guy buddy of mine who's about my age, and we were talking about how at different points in your childhood, you're required to have a specific person inside of you. 00:57:47.920 --> 00:58:02.320 Well, so let's say that you're putting yourself out there and potentially getting made fun of, you have this person that's inside of you to protect you, whether that person is like telling you, like, no, you're better than them, or you're great, and you're awesome, you've got all this kind of stuff. 00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:10.480 And he was saying, which is interesting, he was like, we spend so much of our adolescence dependent upon that voice to get us through what it is that we get through. 00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:20.079 But then as we become adults, sometimes that voice comes back out, and that voice like resonates to anger, or that voice resonates through some bad decision making. 00:58:20.239 --> 00:58:28.400 And what he does, which I think is really sweet, is he turns to that voice and he goes, Hey man, I know you needed to be there, but I don't need you anymore. 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:30.000 Very interesting. 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:32.320 I don't need you anymore. 00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:33.760 So very interesting. 00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:36.719 That I thought was very, very touching and sweet. 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:38.000 Yeah, absolutely. 00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:44.639 I'm gonna name my anxiety, yeah, and she's gonna have to I don't have to tell her that we don't need each other anymore. 00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:51.119 Because, like, that's it's like reframing, like you're recreating, you're like, yeah, I like that. 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:51.679 I like that. 00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:53.280 I'll have to figure out what I'm gonna name her. 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:54.320 That is very interesting. 00:58:54.480 --> 00:58:56.719 Um, yeah, that's that's that's wild. 00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:01.840 You've got me thinking, and we could go down like multiple rabbit holes, but I promise that it would keep us on time. 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:03.599 And I want to hear more about your podcast. 00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:06.320 But let's do let's do the random question really quick. 00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:07.039 Is that okay? 00:59:07.199 --> 00:59:09.039 And then I want to hear more about your podcast. 00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.880 So you get to pick a number because this is a fun impro improv style. 00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:15.599 Um so you just pick a number, any random number. 00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:18.320 It goes, it goes, there's lots of numbers. 00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:19.840 Yeah, are there? 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:21.119 Uh eight. 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:21.840 Let's do eight. 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.039 Oh, you went, okay. 00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:26.320 I was already scrolling for like a uh higher number. 00:59:26.639 --> 00:59:26.880 No. 00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.199 Okay, so this is kind of cool. 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:33.519 What item do you hope will be obsolete in 20 years? 00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:37.280 Cell phone. 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.440 Your cell phone, yeah, really. 00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:53.599 I think this is like the the destruction of everything that is great about us as a species and about our communication skills, about our imagination, about our power to choose. 00:59:53.840 -->

01:00:03.360 I think this is hopefully in less time than that, people are gonna look back at us like they do on people that smoke cigarettes every day back in the day and go. 01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:04.159 Oh yeah. 01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:06.320 What a bunch of idiots. 01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:08.880 I hope that's a good one. 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:09.360 That's a good one. 01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:10.639 That is a good one. 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:12.480 I remember pagers, you know. 01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:17.039 Like I remember like the Blackberry, like I remember the phones, like I've been through it all, guys. 01:00:17.199 --> 01:00:20.639 I mean, uh the bagged phones, like I'm a little bit older than all of you guys. 01:00:20.880 --> 01:00:24.239 But um, anyways, so Lloyd, you have what what one object? 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:27.199 And it's gotta be a quick, remember, it's gotta be the quick answer. 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:33.519 Whatever pops in your head. 01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.079 Well, the first thing I thought was motor vehicles. 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:42.960 Oh uh, you know, I would like to be able to teleport without causing destruction to our environment. 01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:44.480 Oh, that's cool. 01:00:45.039 --> 01:00:45.840 I love that. 01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:49.360 Yeah, I like that. 01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:50.400 Okay, Angela. 01:00:50.559 --> 01:00:51.119 I have no idea. 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:52.000 I have no idea. 01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:53.440 You guys took the good answers. 01:00:53.760 --> 01:00:54.960 I know, you did. 01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.880 Um things that could be obsolete. 01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:01.360 Jeez, I have no clue. 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:03.039 Um, I don't know. 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:04.400 I'm gonna go with cyber trucks. 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:04.880 I hate those things. 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:06.320 Oh, I do, right? 01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:08.559 They look like giant metal cockroaches. 01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:09.679 I don't know. 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:10.480 Yeah, okay. 01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:12.079 All right, I'm with you, Angela. 01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:19.199 I mean, this I'm gonna, I I would say like um objects, like hard drugs. 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.360 I know it sounds so okay, like okay, yeah, yeah, just say no to drugs to grow up in that. 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.800 But like I always say to my kids, like, just stay away from hard drugs. 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:29.039 Like, and and like and you know, I don't know. 01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.199 I just, yeah, just say no to drugs. 01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:33.599 Sure, yes. 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:42.320 That's a great one because drug abuse does not perpetuate itself because people like it. 01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:45.679 Drug abuse perpetuates itself because people are hurting. 01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:52.400 And if that's obsolete, then it just means people aren't hurting in the ways that they are now. 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:54.079 That's a great one.

01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:54.960 Great point. 01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:55.599 Good job. 01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:57.360 But the natural stuff can stay. 01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:57.920 It's fine. 01:01:58.079 --> 01:01:58.400 That's fine. 01:01:58.559 --> 01:01:59.519 Natural stuff can stay. 01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:00.800 We can all partake. 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.880 Um all right, so Mike, tell us about your podcast. 01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.400 I love that you podcast because I obviously love podcasting. 01:02:08.559 --> 01:02:13.280 So like tell us about your podcast and you know, all the fun ways to find you. 01:02:13.760 --> 01:02:15.760 I've got uh I've got two shows. 01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.760 My main show is a is a podcast called The Love of the Process. 01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.239 I started it about nine years ago. 01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.119 Um, and I I started it out of a necessity. 01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:34.639 I had at that time a bunch of fans of mine would write to me uh weekly and ask me simple questions like, how do you run your business? 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:39.039 Like, uh, you know, is it okay that it takes this long for my work? 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:42.960 And I would spend a lot of time just responding and writing emails. 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:45.599 And I realized that it was just inefficient. 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:49.280 Like I couldn't get to all the emails, and I went, maybe I should do something different. 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:50.800 And I was like, maybe I'll do a podcast. 01:02:50.880 --> 01:02:54.880 And then I was like, wow, let me go look and see if there's another podcast that's similar. 01:02:55.039 --> 01:03:05.599 And I looked and I was incredibly surprised that most shows that are about life and work and all this stuff are all processed through what now is an Instagram filter. 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.800 It is all hype, it is all untrue. 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:22.559 And especially in my business, when I grew up, I actually formed business strategies around lies, around stuff that were told to us, like, oh, if you put your head down and you do music videos, then you'll get a feature film. 01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:29.920 And if you do this, this is how this director did it, you go back and you learn about it, and you go, well, those are just promotional lies on how they advanced. 01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:38.559 And so I said, look, if I'm gonna do a show, I'm gonna do a show that is completely honest, I'm gonna do a show that actually talks about what is going on. 01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:47.519 And and I'm very honest with my audience, and I go, look, I'm a director first, so that's what my goal is, and that's what I'm gonna be focused on. 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:56.559 But in the meantime, I'll take you with me and I'll take you on my life adventures, and I'll take you and I'll tell you what actually happens and how it actually gets put together. 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.119 Um, and that show caught fire.

01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:08.480 It caught fire during COVID because everybody was looking for something, and um, you know, we've got thousands and thousands of listeners all over the world at this point. 01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:09.119 That's cool. 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:23.840 Um, I had a viral moment where on the show I was joking around about 12 kilometers, that movie I made, which was never going to be released to the public, but I would talk about it on the show all the time, and my listeners were like, Where can we see this? 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:25.039 How can we see this piece? 01:04:25.119 --> 01:04:27.760 And I was in a bit of a dick mood that day. 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:37.360 And I said on the show, I went, Look, if you send me your three favorite horror movies and I agree with you, then I'll send you a link to see the movie. 01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:46.559 And this kid did it, and then he made a video that was like, This director is he a genius or is he pretentious? 01:04:46.719 --> 01:04:48.320 And that went viral. 01:04:50.239 --> 01:04:52.559 Um that's been viral for years. 01:04:52.719 --> 01:05:06.800 I literally, my inbox at Instagram has hundreds and thousands of DMs of people's three top horror movies, and I am desperately making my way through them and just responding every other day as best I can. 01:05:06.880 --> 01:05:09.760 And I've been doing that for a good four and a half years now. 01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:13.440 Um, so yeah, that's what that show is. 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.760 And if you like the movie business, it's not all movies because I get bored with it. 01:05:17.840 --> 01:05:29.119 So I have chefs on, I have firefighters on, I have musicians on the show, anybody that I encounter, because my business allows me to meet some weird people, um actors. 01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:40.320 So if you want to learn about life and you want to learn about the business and you're looking for a way to uh be better at communicating with people, um, it's a place to go. 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:55.440 And with our recent uh news release this week, um, the fact that I am doing my first feature film, uh it's a great time to come listen to the show because you're gonna go for a ride with me on the whole process of making the movie. 01:05:55.599 --> 01:06:05.519 We'll take the podcast with us and meet the Crew and you'll hear about everything that's happening with the film, and you'll probably hear me turn into a fucking crazy man. 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:08.880 Like uh a fun adventure. 01:06:09.199 --> 01:06:10.000 That's cool. 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:18.639 I love that because you're like you're documenting your whole, you know, process from A to Z, which we all love that, like for sure. 01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:22.719 It's your second podcast is called Is there a second? 01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:27.039 There's another show I'm doing with my buddy Lance Williams, who is also an actor. 01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.159 And we started a show called Right Place, Right Time. 01:06:30.719 --> 01:06:32.719 It's on the same RSS feed. 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:39.119 So if you subscribe to and love with the process on Thursdays when we do the episodes, you actually get right place, right time. 01:06:39.599 --> 01:06:52.960 Um, and that was born from the irritation that we have, where people would say to us, Look, we know you're talented enough, we know you uh deserve this, but you gotta be at the right place, right time. 01:06:54.320 --> 01:06:59.679 And so I was like, Look, is this bullshit or is this legit? 01:06:59.840 --> 01:07:19.519 And so then that's how that show started, where we were getting people on the show that had right place, right time moments, and we would break it apart, and we started to find a lot of similarities, and we started to find that there's a bit of a formula to being in the right place, right time, and being able to get that apartment you've always wanted. 01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:24.880 Like, how do you be that person that's in the elevator that meets uh some guy that changes your life? 01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:27.679 Like there's a there's a lot of parallels in there. 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:29.280 Interesting, very interesting. 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:30.639 Oh, yeah, I love that. 01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:34.320 I love that whole process and concept because I definitely believe in it. 01:07:34.400 --> 01:07:40.400 I believe that there's the right place, the right time, a little bit of luck is in there, a little bit of magic and luck. 01:07:40.480 --> 01:07:41.599 Yeah, that's so cool. 01:07:41.920 --> 01:07:49.119 I'll tell you before we go, I'll tell you the the one thing, I'll tell you what is the one thing that works every time for that. 01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:49.920 What? 01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:52.159 Getting off the fucking couch. 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:54.159 Yep, gotta get out there. 01:07:54.400 --> 01:08:06.480 It's just no matter what, you and especially out here in LA, it's a it's a it's a it's a problem where people are like, oh, it takes so long to go over the they have a hundred reasons why not to get off the couch. 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:15.199 And I always say, if you say yes, have a great time, meet new people, meet new stuff, then hell yeah. 01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:20.079 If you have a bad time, you experience some weird shit and hell yeah. 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:22.560 Like there's no loss. 01:08:22.640 --> 01:08:22.960 Yeah. 01:08:23.920 --> 01:08:24.560 I like that. 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:28.880 I like that because sometimes a lot of times you walk away from something and you're like, oh, that didn't really sit very well. 01:08:28.960 --> 01:08:29.520 But you're right. 01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:30.720 Like it it did. 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:31.680 It whatever. 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:32.560 It's a mindset. 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:32.880 Yeah. 01:08:34.319 --> 01:08:35.279 You do or you don't. 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:41.279 So um Gabby's not here with us

tonight, and she always asked the final question, so I'm gonna leave it, I think, up to Angela. 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:43.520 Is that you want to ask the final question or Lloyd? 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:44.880 Lloyd, go for it. 01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:48.319 You're you're you're this is all your okay. 01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:50.239 It's the question I think it is. 01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:52.079 Yeah, okay. 01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:59.680 Uh Mike, what is the one thing in your life that you were the most proud of? 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:06.000 What a what a what a what an easy general question. 01:09:07.039 --> 01:09:09.199 I'm glad you asked it, because that wasn't the question I had. 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:09.920 Oh no. 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:15.039 All right, so what is the one thing that I'm the most proud of? 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:16.960 Man. 01:09:20.640 --> 01:09:20.880 Man. 01:09:22.319 --> 01:09:22.960 You know. 01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:26.479 It's a tough one a little bit, right? 01:09:26.720 --> 01:09:28.720 Yeah, I can rephrase the answer a bit. 01:09:29.439 --> 01:09:39.199 I I don't know if there's one thing that I'm the most proud of, but I can tell you a moment that I felt it. 01:09:40.079 --> 01:09:43.199 So um I did another movie. 01:09:43.279 --> 01:09:46.720 I did a um I'll I'll I'll I'll make this brief. 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:57.359 I did a a short film, and it required us to shoot um in this old mansion, like this big old mansion on the east coast. 01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:03.119 And uh Gina found the mansion, we walked in, I somehow convinced this lady to let us shoot there. 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:05.840 It was like Guillermo del Toro kind of stuff, you know. 01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:12.800 It was during the winter, and uh we were shooting and it started to snow outside, so we all got snowed in. 01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:16.159 We probably got like, you know, three feet of snow. 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:17.119 It was ridiculous. 01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.279 And so we we all got snowed in. 01:10:19.520 --> 01:10:34.479 And when you do uh a small film and a personal film and a short film that isn't financed, um, you're asking favors and you're asking people to take the time, you're asking people to come and not go see their kids for the weekend or for a week and and do this stuff. 01:10:34.560 --> 01:10:46.560 And you're asking people to go back and be a kid again and fall in love with the reason why they love movies and their obsession, and it's the celebration of everything that we talked about before and why they love to do what it is that they do. 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:51.119 And all these people come together because you have an idea. 01:10:51.359 --> 01:10:54.640 More importantly, they come together because you're passionate about your idea. 01:10:55.439 --> 01:11:05.840 And so we're in there, and I think I don't know if you guys have been on film sets and you guys know, but you can tell during lunch whether or not the movie sucks. 01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:20.399 You can tell where like the crew goes, finally, and they all walk away, they grab their food and they disperse and they hide in different corners, and they're sitting on apple boxes and they're on their phone and grumbling and maybe complaining about you. 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:29.439 But I was on this set and we dispersed for lunch, and there was this ballroom that we converted into our lunch area with all these tables. 01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:33.439 We probably had like three or four tables with groups of a bunch of people. 01:11:33.680 --> 01:11:51.279 And I remember I walk in and I step in and I just look out, and they're all eating, and everybody's laughing, like everybody's laughing and joking, and everybody's having a great, great time, and people are talking about what we just did, and they're excited about what we're doing later on in that afternoon. 01:11:51.520 --> 01:12:01.600 And I remember I was standing there and I was tearing up, like just looking at all these people, and I didn't feel like, hey, look what I built. 01:12:01.760 --> 01:12:07.520 I felt like, look what these people are doing for me. 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:13.199 And and and you sort of have this moment where you go, Am I earning this? 01:12:13.439 --> 01:12:13.680 Right? 01:12:13.840 --> 01:12:18.560 The whole Tom Hanks saving private Ryan, earn this line. 01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.520 Like, am I earning what this is? 01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:31.520 And um I started to realize at that moment, like, I have to log these moments and I have to really sort of live in them. 01:12:31.600 --> 01:12:33.840 And so I took it took me a while to get my lunch. 01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:44.720 I actually stood there and just like a creep watch this room of people enjoying and love their stuff, and it really came to flourish in this week. 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:54.640 I I mean, the press release just came out that I'm doing my first feature film, and it's being produced by Ridley Scott. 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:56.800 Wow, I directed Blade Runner. 01:12:56.960 --> 01:13:00.239 So, like, you want to talk about connecting the guy. 01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:02.159 That's amazing. 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:07.359 Wow, it's you've got Liam Hemsworth, he's leading it, and like it's a it's a big deal. 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:16.000 And when the press release came out, I had a hundred and change phone calls that day of all these crew people. 01:13:16.239 --> 01:13:26.079 And I sat there and I went, Look, there are hundreds of people that did hard, beautiful work to make today happen. 01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.600 And so what am I the most proud of? 01:13:29.760 --> 01:13:41.600 I'm proud of the fact that I was able to find these people and to collaborate with these people and make it into such an important moment for us and the fans and all that kind of stuff. 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:42.800 Yeah, that's awesome. 01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:44.560 I love I love all of that.

01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:46.319 Yeah, I love all of that. 01:13:46.399 --> 01:13:46.800 That's amazing. 01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:48.079 Big congratulations, man. 01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:48.880 That's that's amazing. 01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:52.640 You can follow those little breadcrumbs throughout life and before you know it. 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:57.680 It's been a surreal, it's been a very surreal week. 01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:00.800 25 years in the making, kind of thing. 01:14:00.960 --> 01:14:07.920 Yeah, and it's like a journey, you know, like you said, it doesn't happen in like nanoseconds, it takes time, persistency, consistency. 01:14:08.960 --> 01:14:10.000 Yeah, yeah, man. 01:14:10.479 --> 01:14:12.720 And in that time, what's interesting, I won't ramble. 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:13.439 No, it's okay. 01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:36.319 I know you guys want to wrap this up, but what's interesting is now when I'm because fucking directing and making movies is just being on conference call after conference call after conference call, and you're just in nausea, just trying to answer questions and and take what's in this crazy brain of mine and translate it out of whatever this is, so that they see what's in my brain. 01:14:36.399 --> 01:14:37.680 That's the hardest part of directing. 01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:40.880 It's like, how do I take this and communicate it? 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:53.680 And all those years of experience now make me a better director than I ever would be because now I've spent years talking to other directors through the podcast and talking to other people through the show and and all this stuff. 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:59.680 So when someone asks me a question that could completely derail the project, I don't have to go, uh, I don't know. 01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:04.159 I I just go, no, this, this, this, this, this, because of all that experience. 01:15:04.399 --> 01:15:05.840 Yeah, that's awesome. 01:15:06.159 --> 01:15:16.479 That's gotta be a fantastic moment too when you see what was in your head that you had to get, you know, get out to get other people to agree to do it, and then to see it on the screen. 01:15:17.119 --> 01:15:18.079 That's so crazy. 01:15:18.239 --> 01:15:39.039 And and the thing that's really wild about it, because I'm going through this now, or I'm storyboarding this new movie and I'm concept arting this new movie and doing all my homework for this film, and you have all these different stages, and I will sit down and I'll draw, or I'll render images, and I'll take what is like a loose idea in my head and go, I think this is what the room looks like. 01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.960 And I'll spend like hours and hours and hours, and then suddenly I'll go, Oh shit, here it is. 01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:46.159 It's like ambers and greens and blues, and here's all this stuff. 01:15:46.239 --> 01:15:52.239 And I take this excitement and I'll turn and present it to somebody, and they'll go, like, uh, and I go, Oh, what?

01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:53.279 You don't see it the same way. 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:55.600 Oh fuck, I haven't translated this right. 01:15:55.760 --> 01:15:56.079 Yeah. 01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:58.399 All right, and it's just every step of the way. 01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:10.720 So when you finally see it on the screen, I don't know if it's ever the identical thing that it was originally in here because of all of that, plus everybody's life that has been put into that thing. 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:22.239 I think most of the time I'll see something on screen and I'll go, the initial idea is really what I thought it was, but wow, the stuff that this person contributed to this, it's makes this world so new and interesting. 01:16:22.560 --> 01:16:24.079 Yeah, yeah, that's cool. 01:16:24.159 --> 01:16:25.920 And it goes back to that collaboration stuff. 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:26.960 So I like that. 01:16:27.199 --> 01:16:27.920 I love that. 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:29.439 It's all business. 01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:30.720 Yeah, I love that. 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.199 Thank you so much for coming on and hanging out. 01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:36.159 I'm so glad that uh you're here with us tonight. 01:16:36.319 --> 01:16:38.239 And I mean, how can anyone get a hold of you? 01:16:38.319 --> 01:16:40.720 I mean, we gotta do the businessy, we gotta do the business stuff, you know. 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:41.920 Easy peasy, man. 01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:46.319 Just Instagram is my uh prison. 01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:49.680 It is where you can communicate to me. 01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:54.159 So drop me a DM if you want to see 12 kilometers, send me your three favorite horror movies. 01:16:54.319 --> 01:17:00.239 Oh, um, and then uh follow our shit there, and then you'll get links. 01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.920 I think it's a love of the process.com is all the podcast stuff. 01:17:04.159 --> 01:17:04.479 Yeah. 01:17:04.640 --> 01:17:11.199 Um, but yeah, man, if you want to go on this this crazy ride, I think we're gonna start shooting the movie in October. 01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:12.800 So, like that's cool. 01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.520 It's it's going to be nuts. 01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:16.640 I'm there, man. 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:17.439 I'm there. 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:19.520 Angel's like, sign me up. 01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:20.479 Sign me up. 01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:21.279 I love it. 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:22.319 Well, thank you so much. 01:17:22.479 --> 01:17:25.199 We really appreciate your time and giving us your time tonight. 01:17:25.279 --> 01:17:28.560 Yeah, that's like that's that's the coolest part that you shared this time with us. 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:31.359 Awesome conversation, man. 01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:32.880 And uh thank you. 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:35.359 Yeah, like I said, keep in touch, please. 01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:41.199 Yeah, we're gonna have to listen in on your converse, on your conversations on your other podcast so you can know what's going

on. 01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:45.119 Okay, I'm gonna pause it real quick, but I'm not really pausing it. 01:17:45.199 --> 01:17:50.079 Uh now is really quick, quick, is Gina your main actress in 12 kilometers? 01:17:50.159 --> 01:17:50.720 No, she's not. 01:17:51.119 --> 01:17:52.640 No, Gina, Gina's my fiance. 01:17:52.880 --> 01:17:57.840 So Gina is actually uh an amazing director on her own, and she's a great photographer. 01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:06.000 She just shot, I don't know if you guys saw it, but she did uh Entertainment Weekly's Jesse Buckley cover right before Jesse got the Oscar. 01:18:06.079 --> 01:18:06.239 Yeah. 01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:09.760 So Gina, she's a lot of uh Gina. 01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:14.880 Yeah, did you did you guys meet out in Hollywood or did you guys we met back at home? 01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:23.680 So the the story was that um when I was photography, uh, she came on and was suggested to me as an assistant. 01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:51.840 So she actually came on and was assisting me for year for just for that gig, and then we became good friends, and then we became more than good friends, but I taught her everything that I know, and she was learning from other people, and it's hysterical to watch uh me, who I was doing pretty good back on the East Coast, and then she just goes like her work has been on billboards and Times Square, like crushing. 01:18:52.239 --> 01:19:02.880 Yeah, and it's been it's actually been the Gina show for like the past three years because she's just been she did like she shot fucking Harrison Fort, like wow crazy, crazy people. 01:19:02.960 --> 01:19:04.479 So rock on that's awesome. 01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:05.119 That's very gene. 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:06.399 Can we have Gina on next? 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:08.000 Yeah, I was gonna say, could Gina come on? 01:19:08.319 --> 01:19:08.960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.439 We need girl bosses on her on our show, too. 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:14.800 She is a current, she is a girl boss, man. 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:16.800 She can come to serious though, can we? 01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:17.439 No, I know. 01:19:17.520 --> 01:19:20.720 Yeah, asked a lot of photography questions. 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.119 She'll tell you all sorts of shit, man. 01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:41.119 She's been doing it for a long time, and working with like some everybody from Disney to pop stars to celebrities to fashion, like Gina has been she's better than I am at communicating with people. 01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:43.279 She's actually much better than I am. 01:19:43.520 --> 01:19:45.359 Wow, that's she right there. 01:19:45.439 --> 01:19:47.520 Are you saying that so she can hear you? 01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:54.720 If she wasn't close to earshot, then I'd be like, she's a huge bitch. 01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:56.800 She doesn't put sentences together. 01:19:56.960 --> 01:19:59.199 I don't even know if it's English that comes out of her mouth. 01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:00.960 Get out of here. 01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:01.439 All right. 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:08.000 I'll email you and or Gabby, we'll email you and see if if she and you can ask her and see if see if she really wants to come on. 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.800 We love to bring on all different kinds of creatives, you know what I'm saying? 01:20:10.880 --> 01:20:15.520 Because it's all about just I love hearing people's stories, love hearing people's journeys. 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:18.960 And um, that's kind of how this evolved into this type of podcast. 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:28.239 You know, like we just have a conversation because you can you never know what kind of conversation you're gonna have with all different types of people coming from all different places and spaces and how they got there. 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.800 We're all in the same, we're all going the same direction. 01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:33.920 We're just at different levels, you know, and and it's interesting. 01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:35.840 So I'll tell you, but you just don't know. 01:20:35.920 --> 01:20:46.239 Like I had, man, I've had some really interesting players on my show, and before this movie got going, we had this other film that we were trying to shop around. 01:20:46.399 --> 01:20:48.640 And this business is so fucking shitty. 01:20:48.880 --> 01:20:52.640 Where, like, you know, it beats you down to the ground. 01:20:52.720 --> 01:20:59.359 And I had these guys on the show, I don't know if you know them, but uh Escherman Ian Ian Nelms. 01:20:59.680 --> 01:21:12.239 So the Nelms brothers directed like there was a Mel Gibson movie called Fat Man, where he played Santa Claus, they did small time crime, but these guys have been doing some movies for quite some time, and they just were coming on the show. 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:14.960 I think they came on twice to promote what they were doing. 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:24.720 So they would come on and we would talk about their movies, and and you know, like what we do here, we our conversations become really excited and really interesting. 01:21:24.880 --> 01:21:37.279 And so then when I was going through all sorts of shit, um, those guys were consistently listening to my show, and randomly I got a phone call from them, and they were like, Mike, we want to help you make your first feature. 01:21:37.520 --> 01:21:39.279 And I was like, Really? 01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:40.319 And they go, Yeah, yeah. 01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:41.119 How can we help? 01:21:41.199 --> 01:21:41.680 What can we do? 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:42.479 What are you working on? 01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:46.560 And so I showed them that film and that script, and they go, This script is amazing. 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.840 Like, let's see if we can help you find folks. 01:21:49.920 --> 01:21:53.920 And the next thing you know, they're introducing me to Tom Jane, like the actor Tom Jane. 01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:56.720 And the next thing you know, I'm getting

introduced to somebody else. 01:21:56.800 --> 01:22:04.960 And so then those guys are just running with me, and I'm and they're doing it because they're like, We'll be we'll be producers on it, but we don't need money, we'll just help you. 01:22:05.119 --> 01:22:10.239 And so then all that came from that show, and that movie didn't end up going first. 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:22.239 This other movie went first, but they called me up yesterday and they were just like, dude, we're so fucking excited, and we're and all of that comes from just great conversations on a podcast. 01:22:22.720 --> 01:22:23.840 Yeah, I love that. 01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:25.760 Yeah, a hundred percent. 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:26.560 I love that. 01:22:26.720 --> 01:22:28.239 That's so congratulations again. 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:35.119 Yeah, just really like because that's like inspiring for all of us, you know, because it can beat you down, the industry. 01:22:36.079 --> 01:22:41.600 The big trick, the big trick, because I always thought I had my head wrapped around it, right? 01:22:41.680 --> 01:22:46.159 And you go, oh, the business is gonna be beat the hell out of you, and you go, sure, and you're gonna go through some tough times. 01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:47.119 You go, sure. 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:51.600 And when you think you've you're going through the hardest time that you can go through, it gets worse. 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:53.439 Oh and it really does. 01:22:53.520 --> 01:23:00.479 It gets like it gets to a point where like it really tests you, and and suddenly, like, I'm doing therapy to to handle it. 01:23:00.560 --> 01:23:05.520 And and so you find yourself in like real dark, dark, dark lows. 01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:08.560 And then if you surround yourself, thank God for the podcast. 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:17.359 But if you surround yourself with people that are great, then friends pick you up, and my buddy Lance, who now we're best buds, but he was like, Let's do something. 01:23:17.439 --> 01:23:18.800 He pulled me out of my depression. 01:23:18.880 --> 01:23:31.920 We shot a little film in our backyard, he got nominated for best actor, I won best director at just from that hangout, and so then longevity is the trick. 01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:33.199 It really is. 01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:47.760 If you can be passionate about an idea and go, I'm just no matter what, I'm gonna stick with it, and life's gonna come at you with all sorts of shit, death, birth, craziness, all that's gonna be true. 01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:58.079 If you can still just go like, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, then all your competition when they confront death, life, death, they're gonna drop out, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop, drop. 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:09.840 As long as you're just walking straight, um, eventually, and you do your work, eventually your shot will come, eventually you'll have your opportunity. 01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:11.199 Longevity. 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:14.239 Yeah, this is exactly why we don't stop the recording. 01:24:14.479 --> 01:24:15.600 Yeah, you're right. 01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:22.880 I'll have to like edit some things and add that in because uh, yeah, that's that's true, that's true, Angela. 01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:24.640 That that was gold right there. 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:26.560 That was like a golden nugget for sure. 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:28.560 We got to keep that one in. 01:24:31.520 --> 01:24:32.640 It's the truth, man. 01:24:32.800 --> 01:24:48.479 Like, you just don't think about it until like, dude, until like deadline puts out an article that like in the same goddamn sentence, it's like Mike Petchy's directing a movie being written by Will Simmons, the guy who called me from 12 kilometers. 01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:52.800 It's being written rice, Will Simmons and produced by Ridley Scott. 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:55.840 And you just go, What is going on? 01:24:57.279 --> 01:24:58.960 I just wake up into today. 01:24:59.199 --> 01:24:59.840 Yeah. 01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:02.079 You're in the right timeline, man. 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:02.720 Yeah. 01:25:03.039 --> 01:25:04.640 You are in the right timeline. 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:06.159 Very good, very good. 01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:07.279 Well, thank you. 01:25:07.439 --> 01:25:08.640 Thank you, thank you. 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:10.399 And we'll be in touch. 01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.920 And um, yeah, and look out for more emails to come. 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:15.039 Yeah, man. 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:18.720 I'm gonna go make some hot dogs, I guess, apparently, for my kids. 01:25:18.880 --> 01:25:21.520 Like I gotta feed people and watch dogs. 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:34.239 I know that they arrived in my fridge when my husband went to the grocery store, and I was like, I like how you said they arrived in my fridge, like there's some sort of interdimensional portal. 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:44.000 It was like every Saturday, some sort of food item just appears in your fridge, and now you know Lloyd's gonna jump in your refrigerator to see if he can teleport. 01:25:46.239 --> 01:25:48.239 We're both in the same time zone right now. 01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:50.479 So figure it out. 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:52.640 Awesome. 01:25:52.880 --> 01:25:54.239 We are in the same time zone. 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.359 You guys are once, whoa, for once. 01:25:57.600 --> 01:25:58.079 For once. 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:00.319 So seven o'clock tomorrow morning. 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:02.159 All right. 01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:04.239 Well, you guys, it's nice to see you, Lloyd. 01:26:04.319 --> 01:26:06.159 And did you have one more thing you wanted to say? 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:06.800 Or no? 01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:07.359 Oh, no. 01:26:07.520 --> 01:26:08.159 No, okay, all right. 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:10.239 I know you gotta get back to your sister, Mike. 01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:11.279 You gotta get back to your fiance. 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.399 Angela, you gotta get back to killing spiders or not killing spiders. 01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:15.199 Right. 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:17.680 I'm gonna go make some hot dogs. 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:18.319 All right, bye. 01:26:18.399 --> 01:26:19.279 I'm so good to see you. 01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:19.840 Bye. 01:26:20.000 --> 01:26:20.560 Have a good day. 01:26:20.720 --> 01:26:21.199 You too. 01:26:21.279 --> 01:26:21.520 Bye. 01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:22.640 Thank you, thank you. 01:26:24.239 --> 01:26:25.039 That's a wrap. 01:26:25.199 --> 01:26:28.159 Tune into our next episode and continue the creative conversation. 01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:29.199 Feel inspired? 01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:33.439 Share this podcast with a few friends so we all organically grow and feel connected. 01:26:33.600 --> 01:26:37.039 Follow us on social media to keep up with all the creative chaos.