النص الكامل لحلقة No Straight Path - Meet Your Actor Series with Katie Jostock

was the right voice at the right time, but not necessarily hasn't it's not able to sustain me. 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:27.360 So um, but so I went corporate. 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:31.199 Um I mean, you you probably understand that, right? 00:02:31.439 --> 00:02:33.599 Angie Katie, Katie, Katie, Angela. 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:34.319 Yeah. 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:35.520 Hi, Angela. 00:02:35.840 --> 00:02:36.800 Nice to meet you. 00:02:37.120 --> 00:02:38.800 That I can't hear anybody. 00:02:39.840 --> 00:02:40.639 Oh no. 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:42.240 Maybe it's my settings. 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:42.879 Give me a second. 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:43.840 I'll be fine. 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:44.800 We're gonna keep chatting. 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:52.960 So, Katie, I we love talking to other voiceover actors um on the podcast because I think it's so interesting. 00:02:53.120 --> 00:03:01.680 Everybody has like a cool story about how they got into it and why they got into it, and then sort of like how everything unfolded. 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:07.520 So, because we're kind of tight on time, dive right into the fun stuff. 00:03:08.960 --> 00:03:09.280 Cheers. 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:10.400 Yeah, cheers. 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:12.319 Here's here's my cappuccino. 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:13.120 Nice. 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:15.759 My little Midwestern accent. 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:20.639 Um no, so so kind of like how did I get into voiceover? 00:03:21.199 --> 00:03:25.840 Yeah, because I I read in your bio, you said that you've been doing this longer than we have. 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:27.360 We're still in our first five years. 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:31.439 I think you started in 2009, and then you took a little bit of a break. 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:31.759 Yeah. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:32.319 Yeah. 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:38.000 So so the way that it started was so I've I've grown up in Michigan, right, my whole life. 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:43.280 One of my friends, her dad was in the television production industry. 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:46.560 So he was making like all the car commercials, right? 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:49.360 That, you know, because we're Detroit Motor City. 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.159 And um, you know, there was a talent agency here in Michigan. 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.719 Um, and my friend, it was so random. 00:03:56.879 --> 00:04:01.120 It was my friend just called me up and was like, Hey, you're in all the school plays. 00:04:01.280 --> 00:04:06.159 There's this audition that I can't go to at this talent agency for voiceover. 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:07.199 Why don't you go do it? 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:08.800 And I was like, What's voiceover? 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:10.639 And I'm like, sure, okay. 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:17.680 So I went and I did, I don't even remember what the audition was, but I remember going and doing the audition. 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:24.480 I remember um the person who was recording me like was like, just stay stay right there for a second. 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:31.040 And then he went over to the head agent and was like, I think, you know, I think this this gal has something. 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:32.160 She has some talent. 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:32.720 Wow. 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:35.439 And so then I just started like going in. 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:41.439 This, I mean, this was when you would go into studio and do an audition, which I kind of miss those days. 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:51.680 Um and just started going in, started auditioning, and then the first commercial that I booked was for KFC um in 2009. 00:04:52.160 --> 00:04:57.120 But at the same time, I was I was in college, I was doing my undergrad. 00:04:57.279 --> 00:05:04.480 Oh wow, and kind of trying initially I was going towards radio that I wanted to do radio broadcasting. 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.639 Um but I don't know. 00:05:06.720 --> 00:05:10.000 I I and I had some opportunities, but they didn't work out. 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:13.680 And at the same time, like I really love education. 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:19.519 I've always, you know, and I've I love reading um and I love literature. 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.000 So and I had some really great professors. 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:25.120 So I was like, nah, I'm not gonna do voiceover. 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.879 I'm gonna become a professor of British literature. 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:29.279 Wow. 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:30.639 Okay. 00:05:31.199 --> 00:05:33.839 Which I think back to that and I'm like, what are you thinking? 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:36.560 Like there's like no jobs in that field. 00:05:37.120 --> 00:05:50.800 Um but yeah, so and then I got my master's, I kind of I like stopped auditioning and stuff and got my master's, started teaching at um a local university here in Michigan. 00:05:51.360 --> 00:05:58.959 And um, I was on that path for a while, but it kind of felt like it kind of felt like I was trying to fit this mold. 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:08.560 Like I'm not I and I wouldn't necessarily say that academia is like stiff and professional, but it's it's probably not as bubbly as I am. 00:06:08.639 --> 00:06:10.160 We'll just put it that way. 00:06:11.439 --> 00:06:16.800 So um so I just, you know, I wasn't ha I wasn't happy. 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:30.879 And my husband just was like, he he was always uh letting like telling friends, showing, showing our friends like my my wife used to do voiceover, listen to this commercial. 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:35.040 And he was like, you know, like uh we should do this. 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:39.759 We only have one life, like let's build a studio in your basement. 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:58.000 Um, so yeah, we we built this studio, this booth in the basement, and I think that was around like 2020 that we we finished building it and then the pandemic hit and then I got pregnant. 00:06:58.639 --> 00:06:59.279 Wow. 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:06.399 But it was but I was

like I was still doing little jobs here and there. 00:07:07.040 --> 00:07:15.279 And then I would say it wasn't really until 2024 that I got to know people within the voice acting industry. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:22.639 I didn't for some reason I didn't know that you could like have agents in different states and stuff. 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.600 I was just kind of playing the pay-to-play game. 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:33.600 And then and then I, you know, met uh met really who who helped me the most with my career was Billy Joe Cohns. 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.000 Um and she's also an accountability coach. 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:59.600 And so I kind of started creating these systems to, you know, get you like get a professional commercial demo, coach professionally, um, you know, just kind of refining some of the rougher edges that I had, and then started getting agents and started booking jobs through agents. 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:04.879 And yeah, it was uh it was bonkers. 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:08.560 That's to give you yeah. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:09.600 That's really cool. 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.720 Uh well, first of all, I'm originally I'm an OG Michigan gal. 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:13.600 Woo! 00:08:15.360 --> 00:08:15.920 I love it. 00:08:16.160 --> 00:08:22.240 I transplanted to Florida in 2018, right before the 2020, you know, like situation. 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:28.399 So that's interesting that like I had a friend too that's dad was in the automotive industry. 00:08:28.480 --> 00:08:32.000 He was a voice actor, and he like he it was the dad though. 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:33.919 Well, was your friend's dad too? 00:08:34.159 --> 00:08:35.840 Yes, yeah. 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:37.519 So I wonder if it's the same person. 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:38.000 Right. 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:46.559 Well, he's he's not a voice actor, but I kind of I wonder, I wonder if we so I coach with the who was who was your dad? 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:48.399 Who was your digital dad? 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.000 Um, it's odd. 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:52.399 Uh well, he goes as Seth Ingram. 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:56.559 So I'm maybe he maybe he uses Tom Ingram, so it might not be the same. 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:57.120 Yeah. 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:58.639 I know who that is. 00:08:59.039 --> 00:08:59.679 I know who that is. 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:01.600 I'm on Wori right now. 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:06.240 I do because I didn't meet Tom. 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:12.480 I didn't meet Tom until he goes to the same church as my husband's aunt and uncle. 00:09:12.720 --> 00:09:17.679 And so they were like, you know, when I first started doing this on my own, sure. 00:09:17.919 --> 00:09:22.399 They were like, Oh, you should you should connect with Tom Ingram and he does. 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:27.120 So I just kind of like I had a phone call with him, and I need to get back in touch with him. 00:09:27.200 --> 00:09:28.320 He's such a nice man. 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:28.799 Yeah. 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:31.039 His son and I went to um high school together. 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:32.080 So we were pretty close. 00:09:32.159 --> 00:09:33.440 We're not close anymore, obviously. 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:34.480 It's been like a long time. 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:36.639 It's been decades, like decades. 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.799 And um, and I still remember he had his little booth in a closet in his basement. 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:44.480 And I used to tell the story that he'd say, Well, come into my closet, I'm gonna show you. 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:55.360 Because he's like, You have, you know, and it sounds so bad, but he was like, You have a voice, and he showed me very early on, um, uh like similar to what you, your friend, it just was like a natural thing. 00:09:55.519 --> 00:09:58.639 He showed me and he's like, You have to create characters, you have to figure this out. 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:03.600 And I was like, I don't know if this what, you know, like this is mind-blowing to me. 00:10:03.759 --> 00:10:04.639 But yeah. 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:11.039 And then I did that, was a first introduction to voiceover myself, too, because I didn't understand the industry either. 00:10:11.200 --> 00:10:19.120 But it was a long time after that, and many other things that I went through before I actually got into voiceover, like specifically. 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:21.519 So yeah, I mean, and I think that that's so cool. 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:50.080 There's so I sometimes it's it's easy to get caught up, I think, in in some of the just in in some of the noise of like there's one right way and one right path to do voiceover, and there's really not, you know, like and and sometimes I feel a little like I I feel a um a huge responsibility when people who are just getting into the field come to me and are like, How did you do this? 00:10:50.240 --> 00:10:56.159 Because I'm thinking to myself, like it's you know, not every way is gonna fit my way. 00:10:56.320 --> 00:11:05.200 And sometimes I feel like I can tell you my story, but I but I I wanna have a caveat that this is not the only way you can get into it. 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:15.600 You do not have to follow my path, you know, like um, because it's it's so easy to get to get sucked into that mentality and then feel shame, right? 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:20.080 If you're like, well, I did it Katie's way, but I'm not booking, you know, or whatever. 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:26.960 And and it's like, no, you like this whole industry is about bringing you to the mic. 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:27.919 And I like that. 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.559 As cliche as that sounds, right? 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:38.720 No, it's yeah, I mean, honestly, like Angela and I have talked about this with uh several other, you know, people in our industry. 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:46.000 It's like, you know, you get told like this is the way that you should do it, or this is how it's gonna like

be successful you're gonna find success. 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:54.879 And yeah, and and you're right, it's like not always gonna be successful for this person, that person, this person, because it it happens in different ways, you know. 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:07.120 Um, and like we talked earlier, it's like some people have a clear path and it's super easy peasy, you know, like financially successful in voiceover, and then some people, you know, struggle or just, you know, I have it. 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:13.519 It's like for me, voiceover is like a little pot simmering on the stove, you know, and just tending to it, you know. 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:17.600 And I've got other things, other pots I'm also tending to, because we're all moms, right? 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:29.360 We also like that's the other big part of having you on is that when you are starting a business, creating a career, raising kids, having a family. 00:12:29.519 --> 00:12:31.919 I mean, you are doing it all, you know. 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:36.080 And it's not that's this is like perfect. 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:47.120 This is the perfect time to come on this podcast too, because I do feel like recent like my husband and I have sat down recently and been like, what the are we doing? 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:59.279 You know, like he like it's so exciting when you're young and like you you just get married and you're like, we're gonna be big and we're gonna make this amount of money and we're gonna go on these vacations and blah blah blah. 00:12:59.519 --> 00:13:05.519 And you have good intentions thinking that thinking that success equals money, right? 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:32.240 To me, I feel like the more, especially after having my son, I'm like, no, like my time is so much more limited and so much more valuable these days that I and like last year I had I had a good year financially doing voiceover, but I was like, I started like tearing up with my husband when I was talking about it because I'm like, what has been the cost? 00:13:32.799 --> 00:13:38.960 What's been the cost of having of having financial success doing voiceover? 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:48.000 The cost has been that, you know, um it's it's been difficult for me to be present with my five-year-old son. 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:54.320 And it's been some because I feel like, oh, I should be auditioning for this or I should do this, I should market, I should, you know. 00:13:54.799 --> 00:13:58.559 And then I usually my husband works odd hours. 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:09.279 He's a mental health therapist, so sometimes he'll um you know, he'll have a couple nights a week that he, you know, sees some of his clients who are coming after work. 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:24.639 And so we would be in this, in this pattern of like, I would take care of my son during the day, and then my husband would come home, and then like he would take care of my son so I could go audition. 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.159 And then it was like we had nothing left for each other, you know? 00:14:28.559 --> 00:14:28.799 Yeah. 00:14:29.360 --> 00:14:50.720 And and now we're kind of and so I feel like I went through this this um I'm I'm going through this transformation of like in 2024, I was like, hustle, do all the auditions, be on all the pay to plays, get all the agents, do every single audition, no matter if you feel a connection or if you feel like you're right for it or not. 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:52.399 Um because you never know. 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:52.720 Yeah. 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:54.720 But that's an elder game. 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:55.200 Right. 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:05.519 And there is like some truth to that, but that is not, I'm realizing, kind of going back to what I was saying before, that is not my path. 00:15:05.840 --> 00:15:10.480 That's not my path, and that's not that's not what I value. 00:15:10.720 --> 00:15:19.200 Like I have always valued, you know, being a mom and being a wife, and I vo value that family time, right? 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:31.279 Yeah and I know a lot of people, some people in the industry have the luxury to s to do all the auditions, you know, and to to hustle. 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:44.559 And I just I don't yeah, and I'm and I'm fine with that, you know, but it's I'm I don't really want to have this mentality, this like keeping up with the Joneses mentality of like, I'm not doing 30 auditions a day. 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:46.320 There must be something wrong with me. 00:15:46.639 --> 00:15:47.120 Right. 00:15:47.360 --> 00:16:02.799 That's a really good point because a lot of times I think some of us that decide like, oh, well, I'm not doing 30 auditions, or I'm not doing 20 auditions every day, or I'm not making this a full-time priority, it's a part-time thing, or it's a little pot simmering on the stove that I'm not a voice actor. 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:04.399 No, you are a voice actor. 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:11.039 You are creating it in a way that fits your lifestyle and your um family. 00:16:11.200 --> 00:16:12.799 And and that's okay. 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:22.080 And to let go of the shame and let go of that debilitating feeling that like you're not a voice actor because you're not in the booth, you know, every single day doing 20 to 30 auditions, you know. 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.960 Like, you're no, I'm still a voice actor, you know. 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:30.240 I still do, I still book, you know, I just I'm not in the booth every single day. 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.639 I'm doing other things, you know. 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.000 Or sorry, go ahead, Angela. 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:34.480 I'm sorry. 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:46.799 I was just gonna say, I like the fact that you say that, you know, you're still a voice actor because I have definitely gone from feeling like, oh yeah, this is my path, this is who I am, I'm a voice actor, to it becoming, oh, it's just a hobby that makes me money sometimes, you know.

00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:51.120 Like, you know, it's totally flip-flop, but you know, you're right, I'm still a voice actor. 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:57.360 I still can, you know, produce and and give what the client wants and to do exactly how they want it. 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:04.799 And it's not like a little hobby that I'm just tinkering with, you know, it's not a hobby, and I really gotta flip my mentality on that one. 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:16.079 Yeah, no, and I I think what's cool is that everybody everybody has an individual choice, what they want to create of this and you know, create of their business, right? 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:21.920 If they I mean, my son is gonna be going to school five days a week for the first time ever. 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:23.680 Umgratulations. 00:17:23.920 --> 00:17:31.119 Yeah, I made but so I know I know that things are gonna change. 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:38.160 Like maybe I will have a little bit more time for marketing, or maybe I will have a little bit more time to do the auditions. 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:54.160 But there's also these, for me at least, there's these other components of like, wow, I really haven't been prioritizing exercising every day, or eating, you know, in a way that makes my body feel good every day, or just going outside and touching grass. 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:55.200 Right. 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:59.680 So but I think I don't want to like shame. 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:00.240 Yeah. 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:06.880 I don't want to like shame or say like anybody's way of doing of doing voiceover is wrong. 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:07.200 Yeah. 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:11.039 Because I think it's cool the people who are able to hustle and who love it. 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.640 I I can't for me, I'm just like, I can't do it. 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:16.880 I it doesn't work for me. 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:17.440 Yeah. 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:18.559 Um, but yeah. 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:19.440 That's okay. 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:32.079 I mean, honestly, like it's refreshing, and that's why we have these conversations because it's like all too often, you know, and I've had this whole thought, like this whole thought process where it's like, oh, well, I should be doing this, I should be doing that, I should be doing this. 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:34.720 And then, no, this causes me stress, this makes me anxious. 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:36.799 Like, it doesn't feel good for me. 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:37.599 So, you know what? 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:38.480 I'm not gonna do it. 00:18:38.640 --> 00:18:41.279 And I think that goes for life in general, you know what I'm saying? 00:18:41.440 --> 00:18:45.200 Because there's been times where like I feel like, oh, somebody invited me to come over to a party. 00:18:45.279 --> 00:18:46.720 It's you know, I should probably go. 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:47.279 Nope. 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:48.400 It's my time. 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:57.279 Like I'm being way more, way more picky and choosy with the time and the people that I spend it with. 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:59.599 Because, you know, life is too short. 00:18:59.759 --> 00:19:02.559 And you're right, your kids and your husband are very important. 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:03.920 They have to be priorities too. 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:04.640 Yeah, you know. 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:06.960 Maybe that is the sign of success in itself. 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:08.799 You know, it's like you're allowed to be picky. 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:16.400 You know, you're allowed to be picky and choose when you're wanting to work and when you feel the the need to get out there and and put yourself out there. 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:18.480 So maybe that is a sign of success in itself. 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.000 I mean social media, like because Katie, you are hilarious. 00:19:22.160 --> 00:19:24.720 I just I'm just like you crack me up. 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:26.240 Like I'm so glad. 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:29.359 I'm like, I'm like, she's she's like the good kind of crazy. 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:31.039 Like, I want her to come hang out with me. 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:32.319 Like, you know what I'm saying? 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:37.039 Like that that's a total compliment because it's like, you know, because you just like let it all hang out. 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:38.000 You're like, whatever. 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:50.559 Like, and I just love it, but like that is like a really great way to market yourself because you are marketing yourself when you do, you know, you're supporting other people, you're connecting with other people on social media, you're having conversations, you're starting conversations. 00:19:50.880 --> 00:19:56.720 So, like it's it's pretty I know, it's pretty bonkers. 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:01.200 I don't really know where I got the the kahunas to do that. 00:20:01.440 --> 00:20:13.440 Because I think I think one of my first, I was just I was actually going back and looking at some of my videos and and I was look like one of my first videos, I didn't even know J. 00:20:13.599 --> 00:20:26.079 Michael Collins, like, you know, individually, but I I just was like, you know, seeing all this stuff about like him doing the Euro retreat, and I was like, man, I really want to go, but it's really expensive. 00:20:26.240 --> 00:20:36.720 And wouldn't it kind of be funny if I like if I made up a song about him, you know, providing me with some kind of go fund me, or yeah. 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:45.119 So it's just it's a fun, it's a fun way to like, yes, to connect with people and I guess, I guess to market. 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:52.160 I mean, a lot of it I'm just kind of exercising a creative muscle, but um and I love making people laugh, of course. 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:53.759 So I'm glad to hear that it works. 00:20:53.920 --> 00:21:03.599 Oh my gosh, all there's like something lives rent-free where you're like cook you were like cooking, and then you

were like, you know, and it's like and then you're like, I'm making butter noodles because that's all my kid will eat. 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:05.599 And I'm like, oh my god, that's so relatable. 00:21:05.920 --> 00:21:06.400 Relatable. 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:08.240 How many times have you like? 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.720 I mean, my kid lived on chocolate bars and milkshakes. 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.559 I mean people were like, I mean, I was like, I don't care, it's calories at this point, you know. 00:21:14.640 --> 00:21:18.960 It's like they just that's that's how I feel too. 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:21.200 It is so hard to get my son to eat. 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:26.160 Like he, and I'm always like, I always try to go with like, what's your body telling you? 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.400 You know, and he's like, My body's telling me I want to play. 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:31.680 Okay. 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:40.960 Oh yeah, that that was really funny because this was this is my first year going to Vio Atlanta, the conference. 00:21:41.200 --> 00:22:02.400 Yeah, and somehow, so my my booth is in my basement, and somehow, like somehow the brochure, the like conference brochure ended up at the bottom of my stairs, and it was just JMC smiling at me every time I Went down, like for some reason I didn't pick it up. 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:05.200 And then I just was like, gosh, he's just like everywhere. 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:12.240 And then I started like getting all these emails from him about like, now's the time, you know, spring demo sale, blah, blah, blah. 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.720 And I'm like, oh, I gotta do something with this. 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:20.559 And thank God he's he's very like receptive and cool about it. 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:25.680 Um, but I was just like, yeah, this this needs to be made into something. 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.319 I have to tell you a funny little story that um Gabby and Angela already know about JMC. 00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:39.680 I went to Vio Atlanta, like in my my you know, season of I'm doing all the additions, I'm on every pay to play, I'm spending all the money, all the time, everything. 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:42.720 And now I'm like, uh, and no, and no, and no. 00:22:42.880 --> 00:22:49.039 But like I went to Vio Atlanta and I had one friend that I knew that I connected with, Melina, who's come on the podcast. 00:22:49.119 --> 00:22:51.440 She's here in uh she's a voice actor in Florida. 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.839 And I hadn't seen her yet, but I like got there really early and I was like, okay, I'm gonna sign in. 00:22:55.920 --> 00:22:57.680 I'm gonna like, you know, do all the things. 00:22:57.839 --> 00:22:59.440 And I was like confused. 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:06.079 And so I like just walked up to this big man with a bald head, and he looked like he might have known something. 00:23:06.240 --> 00:23:10.079 And I was like, hey, I'm like, how come this is all in paper? 00:23:10.160 --> 00:23:11.759 Like, why are we not doing this virtual? 00:23:11.839 --> 00:23:14.880 Because like the last conference I went to was all virtual, and I'm just confused. 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:16.480 I'm like, I don't know what to do. 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.279 And he was like, Oh, very calm about it. 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:21.359 He's like, Okay, well, let me just show you how to do this. 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:25.279 And yeah, and you know what, that virtual is a good idea, but we know we haven't quite gotten there. 00:23:25.359 --> 00:23:27.920 We're kind of in a transitional period, and I was like, Oh, okay, cool. 00:23:28.079 --> 00:23:31.200 And I walked away and then I said something to somebody later, and they're like, that was JMC. 00:23:31.279 --> 00:23:31.920 I'm like, who? 00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:32.880 Who? 00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:34.400 No clue. 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:39.759 Like the like the leader of the whole like event thing. 00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:40.240 Yeah. 00:23:40.480 --> 00:23:44.000 I just walked right up to him, completely like, didn't even know. 00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:44.640 Oh, yeah. 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:46.240 Now I know who he is. 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:46.960 Yeah. 00:23:47.359 --> 00:24:01.200 I feel like I've definitely had, I probably have talked to, I probably did talk to people that, you know, I didn't even know, or you don't really necessarily know um where they are in the industry or or you know, whatever. 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:02.480 But yeah, that's that's right. 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:08.720 I really want him to now change his tagline to a bald guy who looks like he might know something. 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:09.519 Oh God. 00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:10.480 That's perfect. 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:11.839 That's perfect. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:12.319 Yeah. 00:24:12.559 --> 00:24:19.200 I mean, he's he's he's a very tall man and he has a very big presence, but he's also very comforting and like welcoming. 00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:22.000 So it was very easy to like walk up to him and ask him a question. 00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:23.839 Yeah, he's not intimidating at all. 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.960 Although but again, like the industry is so huge. 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:28.480 Like you said, you had no clue. 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:36.559 You started in voiceover through a friend of yours, through a local agency, took a break, did higher education, and then got back into it. 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.880 And and and we've talked about this before too. 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:47.440 Like, voiceover is very small, it's a very small community, but it's also like a vast landscape, you know. 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.799 Yeah, and so there's so many people in the industry. 00:24:51.200 --> 00:24:54.400 There's so many people, there's so many different genres. 00:24:55.039 --> 00:25:02.319 Um, there's yeah, there's just and then there's so many, so many ways to get clients and to do auditions. 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:14.720

And one of the best things that Billy Joe Cohns um said to me when I was coaching with her was like, Yep, you have all these things, but you're gonna overwhelm yourself if you focus on all of these things. 00:25:15.039 --> 00:25:19.519 Just pick one, see how it goes for six months, right? 00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:35.680 You know, and because I was like, Oh, I gotta do pay-to-plays, oh, I gotta do agent auditions, ooh, I gotta market, oh, I gotta get a website, oh, I gotta get more demos, I get like LinkedIn, social media, blah, and it's just it's and now I'm like, I'm like, I'm so burnt out. 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:45.119 Plus your new mom and all that good stuff happening at the same time, you know, with COVID and all that, yeah, it it definitely can, you know, take you for a loop. 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:46.319 Yeah, for sure. 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:52.640 It's interesting though, because you're you're you specialize in commercial, but you're also corporate narration. 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:53.279 Uh-huh. 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:55.359 And then you also do dubbing. 00:25:55.519 --> 00:26:04.799 So dubbing for yeah, and so I mean, but you also have like so many character voices, and you're you just you're on a video game, like a pretty big video game now. 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:11.680 That like, so how I mean, how did you find your way into I mean, obviously commercial's pretty general. 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:19.039 But like how did you specialize in you know, corporate narration and then move into dubbing and then now character? 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:31.920 So I think you it actually kind of started a little bit backwards um because in in the early days, I was booking a lot of dubbing gigs um through this production uh company in LA. 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:34.079 So I was doing a lot of dubbing. 00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:38.480 I was doing more character there when I loved this show. 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:44.640 It's um it's a a show in China called Princess Dore Mi. 00:26:45.119 --> 00:27:00.319 So I got to dub the English version and I got to be for whatever reason, they they they chose me as a like I play this kind of snooty British princess, but it's just it's so much fun. 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.920 And then sometimes I would play like some minor characters on the side. 00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:06.880 So that's that's a lot of what I was doing. 00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:13.680 Um was those kinds of games, so dubbing uh animated and then also dubbing live action. 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:21.920 So I've done I did like a movie in Spanish where I um I played a bunch of different characters. 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:30.240 Um there's also like some some shows in Turkey that I've dubbed, you know, just kind of like random stuff, right? 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:36.160 And then and then yeah, I think it and then I've I've always been on the pay to plays. 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:47.039 So like sometimes I would get those corporate narration gigs because it is, you know, because voice acting, you are embodying a bunch of different characters. 00:27:47.279 --> 00:27:53.920 So you can do something like kid-like and silly, or you can talk about fiscal responsibility, you know. 00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:55.920 I love it. 00:27:56.079 --> 00:27:56.319 Right. 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:58.480 So um I love that. 00:27:58.640 --> 00:27:58.960 Yeah. 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.599 So and then I'm trying to I'm trying to remember. 00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:19.039 So, and then and then once I started coaching with Billy Joe and talking about landing an agent to get me like the larger paying jobs, she was like, Well, you know, like your your agent, an agent wants to see that you can book commercial. 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:22.960 So then I was like, okay, I better start coaching commercial. 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:23.440 Wow. 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:25.599 So you did it backwards, kind of. 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:27.519 I know, like what I know. 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.839 So there's there's no straight path, right? 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:32.559 Um so then I started coaching. 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:38.000 My my first coach was Hugh Klitzky, um, who is wonderful. 00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:41.359 I would recommend he's so good at script analysis. 00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:47.839 Um, and he's so like talk about like you know, JMC making you feel like safe and comforted. 00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:57.680 I feel I feel that way with Hugh too, that he'll still, you know, he'll challenge you, but he also is, you know, just very contemplative with the script. 00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.759 And um, so he was great. 00:28:59.839 --> 00:29:16.559 And then I I just started coaching with like a bunch of people, like Tina Marasco, Brad Hyland, Marilyn Whisner, just all the, you know, because I I wanted to get really good at commercial and then put together a commercial demo, started sending it out. 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.359 Um and then yeah, started. 00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:23.599 I think I started booking like animatic gigs. 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.880 Um that was one of my first ones that I I booked to. 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:33.200 There was the animatic that I booked, I remembered, um, I remember it because it was so it was so funny. 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:44.319 It was basically it was a Super Bowl commercial, an animatic for the Super Bowl commercial, Hellman's, where it's it was like the recreation of the when Harry met Sally scene. 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.079 Oh like the diner scene. 00:29:46.640 --> 00:29:57.759 Oh and this was like this was the most um like this was the most I have ever been paid for an animatic before. 00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.720 Because usually like animatics are like 250 bucks or whatever, right? 00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:13.519 And they kept calling me back because, you know, if you're familiar with that scene, like she's you know, in in the throes of female enjoyment, yeah. 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:21.440 So so they

were like, we we want you to, and I guess I sounded close to Meg Ryan way back when. 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:28.079 Um and so they were like, we want you to kind of act as if you're having a food gasm, right? 00:30:28.160 --> 00:30:42.799 So we were trying to, I think I was, I think I was called back three or four times because we were trying to, you know, we were trying to find that line of like between food gasm and orgasm. 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:44.000 Oh my God. 00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:45.200 Takuma. 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:47.119 It was it was crazy. 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:48.880 It was crazy, but it was very fun. 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.720 And we did find that line. 00:30:50.960 --> 00:31:06.880 Um, but that was a really crazy session too, because there were, you know, it's it's it is important to be prepared as a voice actor that something can happen within a live directed session that just you have to just be like, okay, stay calm, cool, and collected. 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:20.319 Because like at first there was, at first there was like one team on the line, and then their bosses came on the line, and then their bosses came on the line, and then the network came on the line, and I was just like, okay, this is cool. 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:23.680 And they were just like, sorry, Katie, like, are you doing okay? 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.440 And I'm like, oh yeah, it's totally fine. 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:26.640 And I'm like, oh my God. 00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:27.279 Oh my god. 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:28.480 Wedding. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:29.519 Yeah. 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.279 But um, so yeah, so that's kind of a fun story. 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:41.279 And then um, and then I guess my I I landed my my big agent Stuart. 00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:49.039 This is this is actually like a cool mom story, I feel like, because I think it was, was it 2025? 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.319 Yeah, 2025. 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:53.680 I had, you know, booked a few gigs here and there. 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.640 And I've just I've just been one of those weird people. 00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:10.720 Like I don't I don't really see a lot of patterns to what I book, you know, because I've booked corporate and then I'll book a video game and then I'll book, you know, a commercial or s you know, it's just it doesn't really make sense to me. 00:32:11.359 --> 00:32:24.960 But um I remember I remember through acting and voice studios, they were having a meet the agent night where you could read for an agent and Billy, I wasn't even aware of it. 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:33.759 And Billy was like, Katie, Stuart is Stuart is doing, you know, a meet the agent night, and they're doing animation and you should go. 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:40.000 And my first response was like, No, like I I don't have child care, right? 00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.960 Yeah, and then she was like, I really believe you should do this. 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:50.160 I and I was like, Okay, so I kid

you not, I asked five people to watch my son, and all of them said no, right? 00:32:50.799 --> 00:33:01.920 So I was like, Okay, I there's no way, but then I was like, let me just try again, let me try one more person, and that sixth person said, sure, I'll watch your son. 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:15.839 And so it was this really like cool magical moment where I was able to go and and read for Jason Sesportis, the um, you know, the head agent at Stewart, New York. 00:33:16.319 --> 00:33:22.559 And then um and then I was like, okay, I guess I'm I guess I'm gonna like follow up. 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.319 And I felt like the read went well, and I was like, I guess I'll send him an email. 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:27.119 I don't know. 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.839 And I sent him an email, and he's like, We really liked your read. 00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:30.960 We'd like to meet with you. 00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:32.880 And I was like, oh. 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:49.920 And then um, and then I remember like, so we set up a time to meet, and I refer to this time as as one of the craziest 17 minutes of my life because there were like three agents on this Zoom call, and I kid you not, it was like, Can you do this? 00:33:50.079 --> 00:33:51.119 What about this character? 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:51.759 Can you sing? 00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:52.640 Can we hear this? 00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:53.599 What about this? 00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.920 So I was like pulling out everything in my arsenal. 00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:03.759 Um, and then, you know, and then later that day they called me and said, We want to sign you. 00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:16.559 And I was like, But it just was like, if I hadn't, if I hadn't have taken that workshop, you know, like I I wouldn't be where I am today. 00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:32.400 And and it would and I'll I've also had one of those cool stories where I don't even think I auditioned, they just sent my demo to someone and like I booked a job based on that, which was those are really nice when you don't have to audition for something. 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:55.440 Um but yeah, just that whole spiel of believing in yourself, and and especially as a mom, sometimes it's just like I don't want to burden anybody with watching my kid, and I've already asked these people, and you know, but just that it's okay, you kind of it's okay to push sometimes, right? 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:10.239 Like you don't want to push to this uh the the edge of burnout, but just to do something for myself and and to show like wow, like I am good enough to land a New York LA agent, right? 00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:14.000 Like I think that that was kind of news to me. 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.039 That's something to celebrate. 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:47.840 That's something to celebrate and and and it's so important, like you said, to get the coaching and then also to recognize as you're moving through your career to recognize where it's time to push forward and apply a little bit of pressure and maybe expand yourself and doing those meet those agent nights and not just a regular coaching session because it can open up doors for you that right and it there is a little bit of a cost to those to those sessions, but it's an investment in your career, you know. 00:35:48.000 --> 00:36:00.079 Yep, and it is a hard balance being mom and whether you have like a daytime job outside of the home or you have a remote daytime job or you're a voice actor or all you know, everything in between. 00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:01.840 We are all of it, you know? 00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:22.480 You know, and I said to my husband, I'm like, it's really funny, like that, like you can just get in the car and drive to your job, and then like you know, you're listening to your music, and then you come home, and it's like, you know, he's got a day off, and I'm like, um, I'm still doing the job, I'm still in the booth, I'm still doing the laundry, I'm still doing and I'm like, you know, he's actually very helpful too, yeah. 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:27.440 Very supportive, which is also why I can do what I'm doing today as well. 00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:32.239 Um but it's like you still are doing it all, you know. 00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:34.400 Like it's like, yeah. 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.480 So it's it's a lot. 00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:36.960 Yeah. 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:44.880 It is it is a lot, and and it's been nicer, I feel like generally the summers are a little slower in voiceover anyway. 00:36:45.199 --> 00:36:56.159 So it's been nice for me to kind of take a step back and um, you know, just just realize that maybe I can't and maybe I shouldn't be doing it all. 00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:03.039 You know, like there are so sometimes I will get an audition from an agent and be like, nah. 00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:08.639 You know, like I'm not connected to it, or do I really want to do this? 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:19.760 Um I've been thinking a lot about um not to go too woo-woo, but I've been thinking a lot about energy and you're in the right place. 00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:21.679 Bring it all on. 00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:25.280 Yeah, like just thinking about where do I want to put my energy? 00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:31.039 Like, is doing this task going to deplete me or invigorate me? 00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:40.239 Or I think for me now, the important question is am I going to have enough energy left over for my son and my husband? 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:40.639 Yeah. 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:42.880 And because yeah. 00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:45.360 So, you know. 00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:46.400 That's good. 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.199 I love all that you said that because it's like all too often we do think we need to do it all. 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.199 And I've definitely like looked around my house. 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:54.320 I'm like, I need to vacuum. 00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:55.039 I know. 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:56.000 Not today. 00:37:56.400 -->

00:37:57.280 Not today. 00:37:57.519 --> 00:37:59.280 I'm not vacuuming today. 00:37:59.599 --> 00:37:59.920 Yeah. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:02.639 You know, it's like, I'm gonna take my kids to a movie. 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.719 It's summertime, you know, they're home. 00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:06.079 And by the way, just FYI. 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.199 My kids are doing all nighters right now because I have older kids. 00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:14.880 And so, like, I literally got up this morning at 6 45, 7 o'clock in the morning, and I was like, my kid was still was up. 00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.199 I'm like, Have you doing bed? 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.360 He's like, Oh my gosh. 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:24.960 Holy crap, you know, like, are you serious right now? 00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:26.800 So yeah, I have teenagers. 00:38:26.880 --> 00:38:27.519 That's what happens. 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:28.480 Oh my gosh. 00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:30.000 Yeah, so I know. 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:41.280 And yeah, my son, you know, my son, he just turned five, and yeah, and just like thinking back on, oh my gosh, where did these five years go? 00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:53.760 And especially during like the baby and toddler stages, I was like, my life is forever gonna be like this, and I'm trapped, and I, you know, yeah, and then now I'm like, gosh, I'm I'm getting some time back. 00:38:54.159 --> 00:39:01.039 It's just you know, there's different stages bring different bring different kinds of struggles, I guess. 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:05.199 He's like, you know, he's so active, no nap. 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:13.840 Um and he he stays up really late at night too for for a kiddo, but he sleeps in, so I'm not, you know, complaining about that. 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:14.480 So yeah. 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:19.920 I think every kid is who they are and they're doing exactly what they need, and sometimes it's not always exactly ideal. 00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:20.239 Yeah. 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:27.920 So I just have to try to like, you know, I'm trying to reel it in a little bit, you know, because but it is summertime, so I mean, yeah, anyways, kids are weird. 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:39.920 I have one out out of the house now at this point in time, so it's really weird to like have like be have two at home and then one out of the house, and that's a whole nother category of parenting from afar. 00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:44.559 So being being a parent is wow, absolutely bonker. 00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:58.880 I never thought that I I would just be in this constant flux of emotions, like it's and that's where I learned that you can have two completely opposite feelings at the same time, which is kind of a mind F, right? 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.320 Yeah, because I feel like I would die for my son. 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:04.079 I love my son, he's the best. 00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.559 And then I also can simultaneously peel feel like leave me alone. 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.920 Oh

my god, you know, get away from me, right? 00:40:12.320 --> 00:40:41.039 And then it's but it's just like the emotions are just so crazy and how you can see yourself and them and how like your childhood stuff comes up, and like it it has been a wild ride, and I know it's not, but but I think that that's you know, for I'm very much an empath, I'm very much an emotional sponge, and so you know, and and so that does take energy from me, right? 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:56.320 And so I need to have that reserve left over so that like while I'm like parenting him and like reparenting myself and helping him regulate his emotions, trying to regulate my own, like it's just oh, it's crazy. 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:57.119 It's a lot. 00:40:57.199 --> 00:41:09.440 There's been plenty of times where I've been driving in the road and I'm like having a meltdown about something because I was like, you know, like you're having like a physical reaction to some sort of anxiety that is like infesting into your brain and your body. 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:13.440 And then I'm like, and then I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, sorry. 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:14.960 The message is the same. 00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:17.920 The delivery was wrong. 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.239 I apologize for the delivery, you know. 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:26.880 And I'm like, I'm just having a moment has nothing to do with you, but I still didn't like the way that you talked to me in this moment, you know? 00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:30.639 Yeah, and it's it's definitely a challenge for sure. 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:31.440 Yeah, yeah. 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:33.360 Yeah. 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:33.519 Yeah. 00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:43.440 It's it's really wild too, because when my kid moved out, I like literally nested to get ready to like move him out, just like you nest to have to bring them into the world. 00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.559 And um, and there's been a couple moments where he's like, I don't need that. 00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.039 A couple months later, he's like, Thank you. 00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:50.639 I needed that. 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:53.840 Yeah, you did, you did need that kid. 00:41:54.320 --> 00:41:59.440 You know, and boys are wild, they're crazy when they're younger, but then they just they chill out, yeah. 00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:04.079 They chill out, and then you're like, then you're the one who's like, hi, hi, yeah, can you hang out? 00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:04.960 Can you hang out? 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:05.199 Thank you. 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:08.639 And like, you know, and then they're like, bro. 00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:09.920 I know, bro. 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:11.199 That's what I get now. 00:42:11.440 --> 00:42:11.599 Bro. 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:12.480 That's where my. 00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:13.519 Oh my gosh. 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:16.880 It's so it's and that's so crazy to think that. 00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:23.280 And I know that it's coming, but it's yeah, it it and

I know that that's gonna, I'm probably gonna be in therapy about that too. 00:42:23.599 --> 00:42:41.760 But like, yeah, just the shift of like, oh my gosh, like mom, like see right now is very much mama, mama, dad-da-da, and just him wanting to be around us all the time, wanting to play with us all the time, and and we're both like exhausted but trying. 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:46.159 Yeah, and I know that there's gonna come a time where he's just gonna be like, eh. 00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:46.960 Yeah. 00:42:47.360 --> 00:42:47.599 Yeah. 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:49.360 He's gonna be like, bro, yeah. 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:50.639 Yeah. 00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.400 Um, so I want before we lose enough, we're gonna lose time here. 00:42:54.559 --> 00:42:58.559 Um I I want to talk about the building doors because like I think that's so important. 00:42:58.639 --> 00:42:59.440 You got involved in that. 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:04.079 I know that like that you're passionate about you know creating spaces and um, yeah. 00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:08.239 So tell us about that for yeah, I think you said marginalized voices. 00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:09.199 I think you were saying that. 00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.960 Like, so yeah, how does that work into like your path? 00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:24.400 Yeah, so um, so yeah, building doors for people who don't know is basically an organization developed by Christy Harst, who lives just south of me in Ohio. 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:39.599 And um, but it it basically is an organization where that sheds light on spaces and rooms where female voices aren't haven't been like historically welcomed or recognized, right? 00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:54.880 So we have specifically in voiceover, we have these different um, these different kinds of commercials like finance or tech or you know, alcohol, to name a few, that usually are voiced by men, right? 00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:58.480 Sometimes we'll hear yeah, true drugs, right? 00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:20.800 Yeah, we have in I love how um I whenever we hear like a Ford commercial, it's Brian Cranston and I'm just like I I don't understand why they're not using a Michigander voice because anyway, um so yeah, I just you know and I I really love Christy. 00:44:20.960 --> 00:44:30.639 Like she's she's one of those women who when you listen to her you feel inspired and motivated, but you also feel seen. 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:40.400 And I think especially um especially as a woman, sometimes we don't feel very seen, especially as mothers, we don't feel very seen. 00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:46.000 And so I just immediately like locked on to um what she was doing. 00:44:46.159 --> 00:45:05.760 And and essentially what Building Doors does, what kind of the foundation of it was, was taking a commercial originally voiced by a man and then having a woman voice it and kind of ask the question like, hey, tech and alcohol and finance, uh what if a woman voiced this? 00:45:05.840 --> 00:45:10.159 Like, would it

really, you know, would it have an impact, right? 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:25.840 Especially because um I recently Christy showed me this stat that was like 80% of or yeah, around 70 to 80 percent of financial decisions worldwide are made by women, right? 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:35.920 When it comes to like household um, so it's it's women are buying these products, but they're not necessarily being represented in marketing efforts. 00:45:36.559 --> 00:45:50.000 And um so it's it really is a way to raise awareness of like, hey, I know the industry has kind of been doing it one way for a while, you know, having men voice these commercials. 00:45:50.239 --> 00:46:10.320 Um, but uh you can also you can reach women if if I think that's kind of the question that or the um experiment is trying to ask or answer is, you know, can you reach, can you um can you reach more of your female audience? 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:12.159 Can you earn more money? 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:23.840 Like, can it be um not something that's necessarily a woke issue of like, oh, let's just throw a woman on this spot or whatever, but um, but can it be something that's profitable, right? 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:37.920 And a lot of the research that Christy has been doing, um, and she's she's doing some additional um original research as well, is showing that yeah, women women want to hear women talking about these products. 00:46:38.480 --> 00:46:50.400 Um so I think I think too, like for me, what got me connected with building doors um was again just feeling like sometimes it feels really lonely being a woman. 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.400 Sometimes I don't feel seen, sometimes I don't feel appreciated. 00:46:54.880 --> 00:47:01.039 Um not even necessarily within voiceover, but just life, you know, like in general. 00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:01.440 Yeah. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:12.400 And so I wanted to be a part of an organization that would shed light on how powerful it is to be a woman, even when we don't necessarily feel powerful. 00:47:12.960 --> 00:47:25.440 Um and I actually had a a I think a couple years ago, I posted I posted about this job that I booked that originally the client said, I want male voices only. 00:47:25.920 --> 00:48:00.960 And it was really cool because it was it was on a pay to play and um and initially the the video producer was like you know, so I I I think that within within the casting bulletin he had put like male and female voices, or he had put female voices, and so I auditioned, didn't hear anything for a couple of weeks, and then he came back and he was like Katie, the client you know, initially was like, I want to do male voices, so I had to go like repost the audition and get all the male voices. 00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:06.000 But then I I said to my client, I was like, Well, here's the male voices. 00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:10.639 You really should listen to you know, these other couple women too. 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:16.559 And the client ended up choosing my voice, um, and it was for a financial explainer, right? 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:21.519 So a again, a genre that women are not often heard in. 00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:31.039 Um and I think that it just it also illustrates not only like go for it, like audition if you feel a connection to it. 00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.000 And it was a funny, I loved the script, it was really funny. 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:41.360 Um, but also like we need as much help as we can get, right? 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:47.280 Like I wouldn't have been considered by the client if the video producer didn't advocate for me, right? 00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:54.559 So it is it's a collective communal effort um to champion women's voices. 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:59.199 Um, so yeah, I I uh love building doors. 00:48:59.360 --> 00:49:11.360 I um it's again personally it has it has really motivated me, um, really inspired me, and and I hope that I've been able to inspire other women too. 00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:12.880 Yeah, you definitely have. 00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:15.840 I mean, obviously, like I that's why I'm asking the question. 00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:25.199 Yeah, you know, because they get the word out there too, especially since you know, it is like a it's a passionate, you know, motivating, like, you know, you feel it to the core. 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:26.079 So I love that. 00:49:26.480 --> 00:49:33.039 And I do want to share too that a lot of people will ask, like, well, how can I support building doors? 00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:33.679 Sure. 00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.039 And it's so easy. 00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:39.360 Like a lot of people think, like, oh, like it's just like another money grubbing thing. 00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:40.000 Sure. 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:42.159 Um, and it's not. 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:44.559 That's what also what I love about Christy. 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:47.679 She does have the like on the Building Doors website. 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:54.239 She does have um, like, if you want, you can like buy her a coffee, you can buy merchandise if you want. 00:49:54.800 --> 00:50:08.559 But really, the easiest, most cost-effective, uh free way to support is to like a post, is to comment on it, is to follow Building Doors and share. 00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:15.360 Like, so she's active or Building Doors is active on LinkedIn and then also on Instagram. 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:20.960 So the more you know that we're kind of telling the algorithm, hey, this content matters. 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:22.320 We like this content. 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.159 So like following and share. 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:26.320 Um, sharing is really great. 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.440 Um, she also has a podcast as well. 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:35.360 Buildingdoorsveo.com is is the URL. 00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:37.039 So yeah. 00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:38.480 So that costs you nothing. 00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:39.760 It really costs you nothing. 00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:41.199

There's a podcast too. 00:50:41.360 --> 00:50:41.599 Cool. 00:50:41.840 --> 00:50:42.239 I love it. 00:50:42.320 --> 00:50:45.920 I we we always talk about that, like in terms of like educating yourself and like learning. 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:47.840 It doesn't have to necessarily cost money. 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:51.119 Some stuff does cost money, but like they're like podcasts, you know. 00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:53.119 I mean, you can learn and grow through listening. 00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.239 Podcast, and she also, I I keep thinking about forgetting all the stuff that she has. 00:50:58.400 --> 00:51:10.159 Um, she also has a weekly newsletter that goes out as well, which I love reading because she always puts in um, she always puts in a personal story and it always makes me cry. 00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:11.199 Always. 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:13.199 That's like Oprah. 00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:15.280 Um it really is. 00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:15.760 It really is. 00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:30.079 Okay, so we always usually do like a fun question at the end and it's like a rapid fire, and this is like super rapid fire because we've got like a few minutes, and I might be able to actually um hang a little bit longer if you guys are patient with me. 00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:33.920 Um, if I have to log in and just like be present in my full-time job. 00:51:34.000 --> 00:51:34.639 Yeah. 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.159 Um that thing. 00:51:36.320 --> 00:51:38.000 So Katie, just pick a number, any number. 00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:39.920 It's like one to like over a hundred. 00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:40.880 Oh gosh. 00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:47.920 Everybody always I'm always scrolling to like the later numbers, and so they're like one, five. 00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.039 Um, okay, so oh my god, this is perfect for you. 00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:55.039 If you had a pet parrot, what would you teach it to say? 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:56.159 Oh my gosh. 00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:57.679 It's rapid fire. 00:51:58.320 --> 00:51:59.760 Who has to come first? 00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:03.039 Leave mom alone. 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.880 Oh, good one, good one, good one. 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:08.320 Let mom sleep. 00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:09.519 Yes. 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.800 Going up the mom thing, I'd say, I'm not your bro. 00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:14.719 I'm not your bra. 00:52:17.119 --> 00:52:17.679 Not your bra. 00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:18.639 Not your bra. 00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:26.079 Gabby, I know you're you're kind of um I'm sorry, I I got here late. 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:26.960 Mom's dumb. 00:52:27.280 --> 00:52:28.400 Mom came off. 00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:29.199 Yes. 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:30.400 An hour later. 00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:31.599 Hi, Gabby. 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:33.519 Yeah. 00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:35.039 Just probably on location. 00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:35.920 What's your parrot saying? 00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:37.599 What are you gonna teach it to say? 00:52:38.239 -->

00:52:42.239 Oh, uh probably tell my son mom's about to leave. 00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:47.039 So put your shoes on. 00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:47.679 Oh, I love that. 00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:48.960 Put your shoes on. 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:50.000 Oh my gosh. 00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:51.199 Angela's still thinking. 00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:57.840 It's very mine should probably be something like, uh, no, mom's not gonna give you money. 00:52:58.320 --> 00:52:59.440 No money for you. 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:00.880 No money for you. 00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:03.360 No money, get a job, get a job. 00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:04.000 That's what it was. 00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:05.519 Get a job. 00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:06.159 I love it. 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.480 Katie, we love having you on. 00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:09.440 I'm so happy it worked out. 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:10.559 I know we had to do this a couple times. 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.320 I wish we could probably talk for like another couple of hours. 00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:13.519 Oh, yeah, for sure. 00:53:13.599 --> 00:53:14.559 This went by way too fast. 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:15.039 I know. 00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:16.960 Maybe we'll have to have you back on again. 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:19.679 We always say that, you know, and just like hang out and talk. 00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:24.000 But um, do you want to give the businessy side of things like how people can connect with you? 00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.760 Because we learned kind of how to buildingdoors.com is important to you. 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.760 But how else can they find you? 00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:33.440 Yeah, so I'm on mostly Instagram and LinkedIn. 00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:40.639 Um, so I'm Katie Joestock, and then my handle on Instagram is Katie Joestock VO. 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:46.960 Um, but yeah, I'm usually usually posting stuff on LinkedIn and Instagram. 00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:51.360 My website is www.katiejock.com. 00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.000 And yeah, I I mean I I think that's about it. 00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:57.039 That's awesome. 00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:58.159 I don't know. 00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:03.039 Definitely like and follow her stuff because it's so funny. 00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:04.480 It's like cracks me up. 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.360 And you're so supportive too, you know. 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:08.559 I mean try. 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:10.480 Yeah, that's like super important, you know. 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:12.159 I don't I try to keep it real. 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:20.639 I'm actually I'm thinking I when I was dropping my son off at daycare today, I was having like I have an idea for a video that I'm gonna post. 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:42.880 That's it's not gonna be like super funny, but it's it's gonna be talking about um just individual worth and some of the some of the some of the um aha moments that I've been having lately about like what that looks like and what success looks like and that it's not contingent on

what you do, but just being, you know. 00:54:43.440 --> 00:54:45.280 Um I'm excited about that. 00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:48.960 I mean, how many times a day do you like you're thinking you're like, I just did that? 00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:54.719 Like it was something tiny, but like I actually did it, and I'm so happy that I got it done and I feel good about it. 00:54:54.800 --> 00:54:58.639 And I can now just check that right off your little like sticky note list. 00:54:58.880 --> 00:54:59.519 Yeah, absolutely. 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:12.880 I mean, and even even like for me, even during times that are difficult for me or you know, times of struggle, sometimes I will really literally say to myself, like, look at you, you've flossed and brushed your teeth. 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:14.320 What can you do and stuff? 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:27.840 You know, like you have to, it's so easy to be the source of like negativity for yourself, or you know, to kind of be your own bully when really you should be being your best your own best friend, right? 00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:29.519 Yeah, um, yeah. 00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:30.400 That's so funny. 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:33.599 Um I find myself giving myself thumbs up when I get something done. 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:35.519 Good job. 00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:36.400 Right. 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:37.039 Right. 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.280 I had you good job. 00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:43.119 I had it, I had an almost everything shower yesterday. 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:44.400 I just didn't shave my legs. 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.679 I was like, and it might have been a few days, and it's summer down here. 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:50.000 I'm hot, I was really hot and sweaty and salty. 00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:51.760 And I was like, I gotta shower. 00:55:51.840 --> 00:55:56.719 Like, I need to take like five minutes just to shower because I forgot, you know, because you've been busy. 00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:04.000 Lots going on, lots of I know eating like this, giving yourself like fueling yourself with food. 00:56:05.039 --> 00:56:08.639 I know food at that, not just you know, McDonald's because the kid wants it. 00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:09.599 Right. 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:13.519 I know back to the getting job, bro. 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:15.360 We all know I yeah, I know. 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:18.880 I am so addicted to French fries, McDonald's french fries right now. 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:32.960 I just I was telling my my husband the other day, um, you know, I've I've kind of like I've stopped we've stopped getting McDonald's for a little bit, and I'm like, man, I'm just really craving potatoes right now, and I don't know why. 00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:34.159 I love potatoes. 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:35.599 Oh, they're so good. 00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.480 We watched the The Martian yesterday. 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:39.679 Like it was Matt. 00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.360 And speaking of potatoes, anyways. 00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:41.599 Yes. 00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:44.960 I was gonna ask you guys what's the last movie that you guys watched, just really quickly. 00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:48.960 The The Martian, and then I watched Dune, part one and part two, which is like really good too. 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:50.239 It was like my fancy hand. 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:51.840 This is my fancy glove that I'm wearing. 00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:56.320 It's copper infused because I have no, I have carpal tunneled. 00:56:57.119 --> 00:56:58.159 How annoying, anyways. 00:56:58.239 --> 00:56:58.480 Go ahead. 00:56:58.639 --> 00:56:59.920 What's the last movie that you guys watched? 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:00.400 Really quickly. 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:02.480 Well, just while I'm I'm doing something else. 00:57:02.800 --> 00:57:09.360 Josh and I, we actually we just had our anniversary and we went to go see Disclosure Day, the new Spielberg movie. 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:10.000 Nice. 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:11.119 Was it worth it? 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:11.840 Was it worth it? 00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:12.559 I think so. 00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:17.119 I mean, it's definitely like you know, a popcorn type of a movie, but it made me cry. 00:57:17.280 --> 00:57:17.519 Sure. 00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:23.519 Definitely one that's on the list of movies to go see this summer in the theater for sure. 00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:24.239 It was good. 00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:25.199 It was very good. 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:29.840 Angela, you guys have all I did watch a movie and I cannot remember the title for the library. 00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:37.760 But it was so mom like it was yeah, it was about this old lady who ended up finding her long-lost uh grandson and an octopus was involved. 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:38.639 It's a lot. 00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:40.880 I know what you're oh I know. 00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:43.599 It's the um it's a sweet book. 00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:45.280 Yes that was made into a movie. 00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:46.719 It's a Netflix. 00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:48.719 It's something creatures, whatever. 00:57:48.960 --> 00:57:50.480 Yeah, it has something in the title. 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:52.320 How many moms does it take? 00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:56.559 Totally, totally, but it's a great movie and it made me cry as well. 00:57:56.800 --> 00:57:58.400 Yes, that was a good one too. 00:57:58.559 --> 00:57:59.599 I loved that one. 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:03.199 Oh, but truly, something, the word something is in the title of it. 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:03.920 Yeah. 00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:07.920 If you remember two hours from now, email all us. 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:09.280 Yeah, I will, I will. 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:11.039 Because that happens so often. 00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:15.519 I'm like, it's like it's like wonderfully bright creatures or something. 00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:16.639 Something like that, yeah. 00:58:17.119 --> 00:58:17.920 Something like that. 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:24.639 My my husband, have you guys heard of that movie Still Alice with Julianne Moore? 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.119 And it's like she's battling Alzheimer's. 00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:28.239 Yes, I have. 00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:44.880 So my husband, because I have terrible mom brain, my husband always, not to make fun of Alzheimer's, but my husband always, you know, tea teases me whenever I forget something or I'm like mispronouncing some celebrity's name or whatever. 00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:46.960 He's just like, still Katie. 00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:50.960 Still there. 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.119 So it's I know what a remarkably bright creature. 00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:54.559 Remarkably bright creatures. 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:55.360 You're very close, yes. 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:57.360 Yes, we were close. 00:58:57.599 --> 00:58:58.400 Yes, good job. 00:58:58.559 --> 00:58:59.679 I don't know where I got something from. 00:58:59.760 --> 00:59:01.920 I I thought it was like something in the water or something. 00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:02.320 I don't know. 00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.159 I mean, how often are we all pulled in like multiple directions? 00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:18.880 Like, and I was trying to explain to my husband that I might be fully present in front of you and I'm like actively listening, but I'm also like 10 steps ahead of you, already doing like 50 to five other things, you know, in that social media post where they're saying like the bridge is burning down. 00:59:18.960 --> 00:59:21.440 And I'm like, Yeah, I already had like 10 other bridges built. 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:28.320 You know, I've got like life preservers and life rafts, like, you know, we can like that's bacon cookies. 00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:29.039 There we go. 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:31.199 All right. 00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:35.119 Well, I'm all logged in, but I just want to say thank you so much for hanging out with us today. 00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:36.079 I really appreciate your time. 00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:37.199 So thank you. 00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:40.960 What an honor um to be asked to come and be on this podcast. 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:45.760 And it was so lovely to meet all of you, and hopefully, we can chat again soon. 00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:47.440 That's a wrap. 00:59:47.599 --> 00:59:50.559 Tune into our next episode and continue the creative conversation. 00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:51.599 Feel inspired? 00:59:51.760 --> 00:59:55.840 Share this podcast with a few friends so we all organically grow and feel connected. 00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:59.440 Follow us on social media to keep up with all the creative chaos.