النص الكامل لحلقة You're Cursed Bitch! - The Ring, Drag Me to Hell, & Hausu (feat. Jessica McLaughlin)

00:05:14.480 Her existence was buried after she was institutionalized for her psychic ability to etch tormenting images into people's minds. 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:19.439 Her adopted father was convinced she was evil and that she was the reason his wife had died. 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:27.839 In the final days of the week, Rachel starts to experience horrifying dreams and even hallucinations that bleed into reality. 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:37.120 Time is ticking, and she must use her final days to uncover the mystery of Samara and the tape in the hopes that the truth might spare more than just her own life. 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:44.160 The Ring was a sleeper hit and remains on many favorite or classic American horror lists. 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:52.079 I think it's a great introduction to the genre itself, the kind of horror movie that you show to your younger sibling or cousin to traumatize them. 00:05:52.319 --> 00:05:56.000 I did this to my youngest brother, Milo, so sorry, Milo. 00:05:56.959 --> 00:06:03.199 Even if it doesn't scare the way maybe it used to, it will always have a special place in my heart. 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:07.199 But yeah, Jess, what are your thoughts on The Ring? 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.920 I love The Ring. 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:18.560 This was one of the movies that probably, you know, set me on the path to horror. 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:28.800 I know that the two, because I have both The Ring and The Ring Two, and both of my copies are like in the blockbuster cases. 00:06:29.040 --> 00:06:38.800 So the ones I still have, I like in watching to prepare for this episode, I was watching it with my partner, and my partner was like, the quality of this is not good. 00:06:40.639 --> 00:06:46.800 And I was like, I know I should probably get like 4K Blu-ray. 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.720 And like, and Ashley was like, but don't throw away the black. 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:55.199 I was like, no, we just like move that, we keep it for sentimental reasons. 00:06:55.439 --> 00:07:00.800 Yes, yes, but we probably deserve better quality than this. 00:07:02.160 --> 00:07:06.959 Than like the cast off rental bin block post where I got it. 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:09.680 But yes, no, I love the ring. 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:18.240 Also, in high school, I was very into Gore Verbinski because of the ring and Pirates of the Caribbean. 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:20.480 Like I was just like, this man is a genius. 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.160 Is he not the greatest filmmaker of all time alone for that? 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:25.040 Maybe. 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:27.680 I mean, those are two bangers. 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.040 So I don't think I was wrong. 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:38.160 It was like no yeah, it was Gore Verbinski and Danny Boyle, and I still absolutely adore Danny Boyle. 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:39.040 Yes. 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:40.959 That's so great. 00:07:41.199 --> 00:07:44.879 And also Martin McDonough, because I was like,

in Bruges is crazy. 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:46.480 And that's for a different episode. 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:47.439 Taste. 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:54.399 I yeah, you can dissect all you want that there were like no women directors. 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:57.040 Um there was Catherine Bigelow. 00:07:57.120 --> 00:07:58.160 I did like Catherine Bigelow. 00:07:58.240 --> 00:07:58.639 There you go. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:06.800 Um, but yeah, I mean high school Jessica had a very narrow scope and it has since expanded exponentially. 00:08:06.959 --> 00:08:08.240 But no, I love the ring. 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.800 I think it is a great horror movie. 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:15.279 I think it does a lot within the PG 13 sphere. 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:16.480 Oh my god, yeah. 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:18.079 I actually didn't even realize that. 00:08:18.399 --> 00:08:25.519 It's genuinely like there are some really scary moments and sequences that like you would not think you're watching a PG 13 movie. 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:33.039 You would think, like, oh yeah, this is like just a quote unquote regular horror movie because we associate our ratings with horror movies. 00:08:33.360 --> 00:08:33.600 Yeah. 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:38.960 I mean, like the the horse on the the what is it, fairy. 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:39.360 There we go. 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:40.639 That's the word I was like before. 00:08:40.879 --> 00:08:57.679 That sequence is so good and so scary, and that suspense of like, you know, the the horse freaks out and it runs and it jumps off of this boat, and then when everyone runs to the other side to see if the horse makes it out from under when it goes under the boat, and all you see is blood in the water. 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.080 That is legitimately so smart. 00:09:02.399 --> 00:09:02.879 Horrible. 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:04.000 It's horrible, yeah. 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:10.000 It's horrifying, like and you don't need to see like the mangled horse carcass, like it's enough. 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:11.120 We get it. 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:13.840 Yeah, we know what has happened. 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.639 It's just it's a very good movie. 00:09:16.799 --> 00:09:22.559 I also love the journey of this woman. 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:31.200 I think that Naomi Watts' character is kind of so perfect because she's so imperfect. 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.200 She's like not great mom. 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:34.399 No, yeah. 00:09:34.559 --> 00:09:39.679 I literally, when I was re-watching this, I was like, wait, is that her son? 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:45.039 Because he like calls her Rachel too, and then she's so just kind of like, yeah, whatever, whatever. 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:47.759 That I was like, maybe it's maybe it's like his aunt or something. 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:49.279 No, it's his mom. 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:56.559 No, it's just like he's at one point he's like making his own lunch and packing it and then being like, I'm going to school. 00:09:56.799 --> 00:09:59.120 And she's just like in her room ignoring him. 00:09:59.279 --> 00:10:12.879 And it's like, yeah, we we she is ultimately a very good mother in that she wants to protect her son and goes like she will move hell and heaven to to make it happen and to protect him. 00:10:13.679 --> 00:10:21.679 But yeah, I mean, she's kind of this the antithesis of Anna Morgan, who like is the other central mother figure in the film. 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:35.600 She is like, you know, Anna Morgan is polished and she's a figure in society, and you know, she openly really loves her daughter, even though she doesn't, because Anna Morgan ends up being responsible for her daughter's death. 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:40.559 So it's it's very interesting that you have like this pulled together woman and then this hot mess of a woman. 00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:41.039 Yes. 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:42.879 Oh my god, so true. 00:10:43.120 --> 00:10:53.200 And these different arcs of kind of like what motherhood is, um, which are only continued in the ring two, and that's my plug for the ring two because I feel like no one watches it. 00:10:53.279 --> 00:11:06.960 And I it's not perfect, I know, but it's really, really interesting because it's the whole premise of The Ring Two is you're learning more about Samara, but it's also the central question is what does it take to be a good mother? 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.360 And what if to be a good mother you have to kill your child? 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.120 Which is just mind-blowing. 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:12.399 Oh my god. 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.320 Well, I'm in. 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:16.720 I'll watch that. 00:11:17.440 --> 00:11:18.480 That's disturbing. 00:11:19.360 --> 00:11:20.559 Back to the ring. 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:22.399 Back to the ring. 00:11:23.200 --> 00:11:36.399 But I I like the idea of one of the things I did in prepping for this episode is I gave a different kind of nomenclature to each curse that occurs in these films because they're all different types of curses. 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:39.519 And so this one was like the viral curse. 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:43.360 And it's there, I will give credit to this guy on Substack. 00:11:43.519 --> 00:11:44.960 His name is Eric Shorey. 00:11:45.200 --> 00:12:03.519 He had this really interesting article on Substack when I was doing prep that was talking about like how the ring, both the book, this movie, all the all the all of it, the original movie, kind of predicted viral videos. 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:04.559 Mmm. 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:18.399 And like how sharing these videos is like passing on this form of like illness, you know, like because a lot of sharing viral videos, you know, a lot of them are funny, but a lot of them are really fucked up. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:28.240 So yes, it's this kind of viral video prediction, and how passing on this video to other people predates that. 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.000 And I

thought that was really interesting. 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:31.840 That is so interesting. 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:44.399 Cause yeah, you totally, I mean, you know, the movie literally starts with teens watching this, talking about it, making fun of it, even though they're like, Yep, yeah, I watched it and it was like actually made me feel like shit, and it was the worst thing in the world. 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:45.759 But now I'm gonna joke about it. 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.159 And it's like, ah, that's very relatable. 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:49.919 And also with the internet. 00:12:50.480 --> 00:13:11.039 When exactly with your with that age group, it's not something that necessarily continues on, but like when you're that age, when you would watch like really crazy shit or stuff that made you feel really gross, you'd be like, I need to share this with somebody else so they know how I'm feeling, and I can talk to them about it, and I can like process it with them. 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:14.559 And so, like, you would then share it with your friends. 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:21.600 And so it's like, you know, it's like this curse is going around and spreading with all these teenagers. 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:22.480 Yeah. 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:23.919 Oh my god. 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.200 And that's also the beginning of the ring too. 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:33.279 You have like these teenagers are like, this guy's has to get this girl to watch the tape, or he's gonna die. 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:38.320 Oh yes, they basically figured out that if you sh make a copy and show it to somebody else, yeah. 00:13:38.480 --> 00:13:39.679 So it's still teenagers. 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.600 Damn those teens. 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:49.279 Oh, that is so fascinating. 00:13:49.440 --> 00:13:50.639 I love that. 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:53.120 I also love the music. 00:13:53.279 --> 00:14:00.159 I know that that's like I always forget how good the music is until I watch it and I'm just like, oh my god. 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:07.039 It just like it just gives gets you in the perfect mood, and then like the credits come up and it's Han Zimmer, and I'm like, what? 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:08.080 Right? 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:09.200 I had the same thing. 00:14:09.279 --> 00:14:10.960 I was like, of course it is. 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:24.399 Because every time I'm like, I notice music in like not you know, a movie where it's maybe not like at the forefront exact necessarily, and then yeah, credits roll, and I'm like, oh, of course it's Han Zimmer. 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:34.080 Of course it's like the man who can make the best some of like just make music that really makes you feel so immersed in the film, for lack of a better way of explaining it. 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:35.279 But I totally agree with you. 00:14:35.360 --> 00:15:05.120 And it and all starts with just the like beautiful, simple piano melody, but there's such a like sadness and like loneliness to it, like it just matches, it really is like Anna Morgan and Samara's theme a little bit in that like it just feels like you know, you just imagine them on that island that they live on, Muesco, Muesco Island or something like that. 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:14.799 Just like all alone, super isolated, isolated in their relationships with each other, like totally fractured and and horrible. 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.559 And yeah, it just like captures all of that. 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:21.440 So I'm so glad you shouted it out because I I love it. 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:33.919 I literally actually told Jonathan today, I was like, if you ever need ideas for gifts for me, uh you know, there's a vinyl of uh the ring score. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:35.600 And he was like, What? 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.320 Like, I really, really want it, please. 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:39.120 Thank you. 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:42.879 You're just like, and and he's he's like, should I be concerned? 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:47.200 Yeah, and you're just like, no, yeah, why would you be concerned? 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:48.080 Don't worry about it. 00:15:48.240 --> 00:15:49.440 Comes home, it's just playing. 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.159 I'm staring at the static on the TV. 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:54.159 Like, oh my god. 00:15:54.320 --> 00:15:56.240 I don't know how he puts up with me. 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:58.559 No, I completely understand. 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:02.799 I mean, also just like the far-reaching impact of like the ring in my life. 00:16:02.960 --> 00:16:14.639 I I was thinking about how many when I was a teacher, one of the things I would do when it was like a project was due or like uh we had a test or something. 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:25.279 If it was like a week out, yeah, I would always put like on the screen like a ring gif, and I would just say like seven days. 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:26.799 Seven days. 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:28.720 And no one got it. 00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:29.840 Oh, yeah. 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:34.879 Like because so many I know so many kids like at that point probably hadn't watched The Ring or whatever. 00:16:34.960 --> 00:16:38.720 I mean, I was teaching high school, so I wasn't like scarring everyone. 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:44.639 So I was teaching high school, but a lot of them, unless they were like really into horror, it wasn't a recent release. 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:46.960 I mean, this came out like 2002. 00:16:47.279 --> 00:16:48.480 It was 2002. 00:16:48.639 --> 00:16:50.000 I thought it was like what? 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:54.320 I know, I thought it was way, way more recent. 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.960 And I that also like shocked me. 00:16:57.039 --> 00:16:59.440 I was like, what what how? 00:16:59.919 --> 00:17:01.200 I'm getting old. 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:02.879 I guess we are. 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.440 I'm I'm that old lady in the room. 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:09.200 People are just like, okay, grandma. 00:17:12.880 -->

00:17:18.160 No, it's I you know that is it is weird to think about that actually. 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:28.720 So not to go on like a side tangent with that, but I've seen a lot of criticism of like this movie where people are like, oh, how could the new generation ever relate? 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:38.319 Because it's so much like analog things being scary, like the landline ringing, and like, yeah, the the VHS itself. 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.599 And I'm like, who cares? 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:45.839 I don't think you need to like relate to it for it to be scary. 00:17:45.920 --> 00:17:52.319 Like, I promise if you if you came home or you were home alone and your TV just randomly turned on with static, right? 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:54.640 You would you would be like, I don't like this. 00:17:54.799 --> 00:17:56.079 I don't like this at all. 00:17:56.400 --> 00:18:14.160 Well, there's you kind of perfectly set it up for like that thought was in this, I've seen this movie like a gazillion times, but in watching it this time, there's just like a very short sequence that happens. 00:18:14.240 --> 00:18:26.160 And I have seen this sequence a million times, and I have always just been kind of like, oh, like just kind of thought it was filler or didn't really like appreciate the impact of it. 00:18:26.319 --> 00:18:44.880 It's uh when Rachel is showing the video to her ex, Aiden's dad, and she goes out on the balcony because she doesn't want to watch it again, and she's looking into other people's apartments, and it's just like looking at the building across from hers. 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:53.759 And I always just thought that it was, you know, just I don't know, like a voyeuristic mo I didn't really like put two and two together. 00:18:53.920 --> 00:19:08.400 Yeah, and it was in this time watching it, I was like, oh, this is establishing the stakes of the ending, where it's everyone has a TV in their home, and everybody is watching this TV like while they're doing everything. 00:19:08.640 --> 00:19:09.839 Oh my god, yeah. 00:19:10.079 --> 00:19:15.279 And so it's like showing how far reaching this thing could be, and like, and I was like, no wonder. 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:22.319 She's looking at all these TVs and is like freaked out that like at any point anybody could get this, and it's like it could take over the world. 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:37.200 Oh my god, it was like yeah, everyone's so vulnerable, yes, and so it's like we still live in that space where it's like everyone has a TV for the most part, you know, it is it is a luxury, but it has become much more commonplace, and right, yeah. 00:19:37.359 --> 00:19:43.279 So it's like, wouldn't you be afraid if all of a sudden your TV started doing shit in your house? 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.440 It's so true. 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:46.880 Oh, I love that. 00:19:46.960 --> 00:19:49.279 It's like such a rear window moment. 00:19:49.839 --> 00:19:59.119 Yes, it is, and I thought it was kind of

like an homage to that at first, and so I was like, oh, look at them, they're like showing their references, and then I started thinking about it. 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:01.759 I was like, oh wait, no, it's deeper than that. 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:02.799 So interesting. 00:20:02.960 --> 00:20:07.440 I did not that did not click with me, but I that that makes perfect sense. 00:20:07.680 --> 00:20:15.279 And I I remember like the first time I watched that scene being like, oh my god, is it gonna pop up on one of right? 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:24.400 Like you're surprised that it doesn't almost because you're just like, oh my god, wait, you're waiting for it, but oh yeah, wow, that's so interesting. 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:28.079 It's such a small scene, but yeah, such a big impact. 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:48.000 And I've seen a lot of people online talking about how like the cyclical nature of not just like it's it's like Gore Verbinski and the team who made this movie really understood all the different facets of the ring, where it's not just like that image, it's also the story structure. 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:55.359 It's also like there's they like loop so many kind of ring aspects in. 00:20:55.599 --> 00:20:59.839 And I and it's like I was like, they're just they they did such a good job with this movie. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:03.200 I wonder if they were on set and they were like, this is gonna be great. 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:08.319 It seems I can't imagine it not being that way because I totally agree. 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:20.240 Like, similar to like the taking jumping off of like the idea of it being kind of like cyclical, I really appreciate the kind of like formula of this movie. 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:33.200 Yes, and I think there's just something so satisfying about it, and and I'll admit, I think part of it is it's like kind of classic early 2000s horror where it's like everything happens as it should. 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:42.880 They explicitly lay out like what happens in the very first scene when you watch this tape, and then she watches it, and then all of that happens without hesitation. 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:48.160 Like, there's just it's straightforward, there's no tricks, there's no hesitation. 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:50.400 And then it's like, okay, that's the setup. 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.400 Now Thursday or whatever. 00:21:52.480 --> 00:21:54.880 It's like now she has the seven days to figure it out. 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:59.759 And I can, I guess I can understand why some people may be like, oh, this is so formulated. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:01.759 In a bad way, or like boring. 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:08.240 But I think it just makes all the reveals that much more exciting. 00:22:08.559 --> 00:22:21.440 And and then it's also just kind of like nostalgic for another era of movies in that way, too, where it was like sometimes this is like an example where it's like sometimes the simple things are better. 00:22:21.759 -->

00:22:31.200 But also now that I'm saying that, I'm like, this movie does something that's like simple, but then reveals so much more underneath each thing, if that makes sense. 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:33.039 I don't know how to I don't know how to articulate it. 00:22:33.119 --> 00:22:40.960 But well, it's even like, you know, you might think of like, oh, seven days is just kind of like a ticking time clock that, you know, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah. 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.359 But then there's the reveal at the end where it's like, how long would it take you to survive in the well? 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:49.759 And how you would die after seven days, and you're like, oh, yes. 00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:52.559 Oh my god, it's so sad. 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:54.480 And yes, that's totally what it is. 00:22:54.559 --> 00:22:59.759 It's like everything that happens is so intentional and has like a purpose. 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:05.680 And the discovery of that purpose and the timing of it is just what makes this movie so good. 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:08.400 I think it's just it's amazing. 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:09.279 I love it. 00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:10.160 It is. 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.880 I will now reign on the parade a little. 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:14.960 How dare you! 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:15.920 No, I'm excited. 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:16.720 Let's hear it. 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:24.000 I absolutely adore this movie, but I have read the book that everything, you know, that started it all. 00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:29.759 I have not read like all six books in this like your spiral series. 00:23:30.160 --> 00:23:31.359 Yes, there's six. 00:23:31.680 --> 00:23:32.319 Wow. 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:52.240 But I have read the first one, and the thing that really made me compelled to read the book is because somebody, and I'm sorry I can't remember who it was, but there was a like horror scholar person on Instagram who was talking about the queer horror origins of the ring. 00:23:52.319 --> 00:23:54.400 And I was like, What are you talking about? 00:23:54.559 --> 00:23:55.279 I've seen the movie. 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:55.599 Yeah. 00:23:56.480 --> 00:23:58.160 What are you where? 00:23:58.559 --> 00:24:10.079 And so they they were like, in the book, Samara, who I mean, the Japanese name of the that figure in the book is Sidako. 00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:28.480 So this character is actually intersex and it is through an act of violence where somebody, so it's not in the book, it's not the mother figure that kills her daughter. 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:53.839 It is a guy who had like been lusting after Sidako, who sexually assaults her in the woods, finds out that she is intersex, and in a like a gay panic, like hateful rage, kills her and shoves her in the well. 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:54.640 God. 00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:58.319 So it's it's very different. 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:05.839 And I I think that what I like, I mean, I don't like all of those things happening. 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.599 That's that's horrendous. 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:16.079 But I think what I like about the source material is that we then are given so much more of a motive for this curse. 00:25:16.319 --> 00:25:16.720 Yeah. 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:21.200 Where it's like, this is now, it's like an avenging spirit kind of thing. 00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:29.599 I don't think that all avenging spirits need to be like, you know, sex victims, like sexually assaulted and killed. 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.960 Like, that's that's not what I'm saying. 00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:40.960 But it's kind of don't like that trope of like, oh, let's have like the rape revenge trope of like, oh, okay, this person is raped, and then now they need to get their, you know, kill everybody. 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:41.440 Yes. 00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:42.400 Um, yeah. 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:53.440 But I think the thing that is a little shoddy in the ring, you know, remake is that Samara just wants to kill because she likes it. 00:25:53.599 --> 00:26:00.720 And it's like, well, so she's just like a creepy little girl is kind of like her whole thing. 00:26:00.799 --> 00:26:05.200 And she just wants to kill because she likes killing people and hurting people. 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:10.640 And it's like, I mean, yeah, I guess there are people out there, like, but it just doesn't have that like depth. 00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:17.200 Yeah, there it's not very yeah, depth is perfect, and especially even more in like emotional depth as well. 00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:19.119 Like, you're not, you're not. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:27.920 I feel like, yeah, I could be more emotionally tied to Samar than I end up being at the end of the film. 00:26:28.240 --> 00:26:40.880 Like it, it I wonder almost if a part of that, I wonder if like maybe they did think about going that route, but like PG 13 and Dreamworks being involved. 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:42.960 I forgot this is a DreamWorks movie. 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:44.720 I know, I always forget that too. 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:50.799 When it first started, it's like the ring filter on DreamWorks, and it's like I'm like, what the what? 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:52.079 This is insane. 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:53.279 I had I always forgot. 00:26:53.440 --> 00:27:03.759 I do wonder if like a part of the agreement or something was like you can't go too dark and creepy little girl is it? 00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:11.920 I think, but or maybe they just didn't want to go, maybe they just wanted to take it in a totally different direction as well, which would make more sense. 00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:19.839 I think also, I mean, one of my blind spots as a horror person is that I still haven't seen Ring Yu, the original. 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:27.680 And so, but I believe from what I've read that they also chose to kind of exclude that in the original as well. 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:28.400 Oh, okay. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:30.400 Um, so I think

it's just in the book. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:31.759 Oh, interesting. 00:27:31.920 --> 00:27:33.440 Well, so then that makes sense, yeah. 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:35.519 Because this is based off of that, right? 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:36.720 Instead of the Yes. 00:27:37.039 --> 00:27:39.119 Okay, that all makes more sense, yeah. 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:51.200 But it is really interesting, like, you know, in I was reading about, you know, kind of the the setting for the book, and the book came out I think in was it 99 or 98, something like that? 00:27:51.440 --> 00:27:52.240 Yeah, 98. 00:27:53.279 --> 00:28:01.119 And so the book was being written when a lot of like the AIDS crisis was at its peak. 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:13.119 And so it's just kind of like which like the viral nature of the curse and also the fact that Sadako was a member of the queer community, like it just it feels all kind of it's interesting. 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:18.960 I don't know what it what it all means and what the author's intentions were, but there was definitely something going on. 00:28:19.200 --> 00:28:21.200 Yeah, that's so interesting. 00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:23.920 Yeah, oh wow, yeah. 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:29.839 That's amazing because it's yeah, it's so so you wouldn't you wouldn't find any of that in this movie. 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:31.279 I'll say no. 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:43.680 You do get a little bit like I like kind of you know, Samara becomes just kind of like representative of like the marginalized other, like, you know, she's this weird kid. 00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:50.079 And then also in the ring two, we see that with Aiden also being this weird kid and also kind of probably presenting. 00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:58.400 We don't see it too much in the first one, but definitely in the second one, he's presenting some aspects of maybe being on the autism spectrum. 00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:07.039 So, you know, like it's kind of like these children are mirrors of each other in that sense of like the weird little kids. 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:08.240 Totally, yeah. 00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:13.200 I mean, yeah, he's oh my god, he's so cute, but he's so mature. 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:14.319 Right? 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:21.839 And there's also like the adultified child thing with like the single motherhood, and I mean I'm not speaking from experience, haha. 00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:43.359 Um but yeah, like it's just you know, so like Samara is a figure, I think, in a lot of other ways that like people see themselves in her as this kind of like othered kid, totally, so I think that you know there's definitely a lot there, but I also think it's interesting seeing her through the queer lens as well. 00:29:43.759 --> 00:30:04.720 Absolutely, absolutely, and I uh I do want to take the uh moment to also I I have forgotten that DeVay Chase, who plays Samara in this, passed away this year, and yeah, I just wanted to say this is also I think this is such an amazing child performance. 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:43.039 It is like she killed it, she's so good, and a lot of it is just like voice work a little bit, but yeah, it's just it's such a great performance because it's so conflicting because I feel like she really does like trick you or deceive you, and in the sense that like there are moments where where it was like, okay, I can't tell if she is just a very sweet child that's in like a really abusive, horrible situation, or on the very other side, she actually is like evil, like truly something evil. 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:55.839 And that performance in the interview tape scene is so so great because yeah, she just I mean, she has kind of like a classic little creepy look. 00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:00.640 Maybe it's only creepy now, because we've all you all know the look of Samara. 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:08.000 And but then when she talks, she's got that cute little voice that's Lelo's voice, which I had totally forgotten. 00:31:08.079 --> 00:31:09.039 She plays Lilo. 00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:18.240 And yeah, when she says, she says, like, oh, I love my mommy, you're just like, oh my god, this poor girl. 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:35.920 And then, like, by the end of the scene, she's talking about like, but I like hurting people, daddy doesn't know, and you're just like, oh my god, like we know you don't want to hurt people, and she's like, but I do, I do, and you're just like, what just happened? 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:40.400 Like the shift is so subtle, but it's so haunting. 00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:45.759 It's yeah, you're like, oh, there's something really dark happening here. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.119 Ugh, it's so great. 00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.319 So just had to shout out the performance. 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:54.240 Great, great child performances, even from Aiden, the little boy. 00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:54.640 Yeah. 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:57.279 What is his name's like David Dorfman? 00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:59.039 Oh, yeah, I didn't write it down. 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:05.440 Because Ashley, when the credits came up and saw David Dorfman, Ashley was like, that's a grown man name. 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:08.640 That's that little boy. 00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.680 Kind of really the grown man name fits his character in it. 00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.039 I fucking love this movie. 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:18.000 I do too. 00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:19.599 I wish we could keep talking about it. 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:22.559 There's so much to talk about. 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.680 Okay, I'll say any any final thoughts that you want to share before we move on. 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.119 Shout out to Brian Cox, being the dad. 00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.920 I I love the intro. 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:45.279 If you love Brian Cox, it's such a great intro because she like comes up on him in this like field and he turns around and he just goes, You want to know about the horses? 00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:47.759 And I don't

know why. 00:32:47.920 --> 00:32:49.440 It just gets me every time. 00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.240 I'm like, oh, Brian Cox, what a guy. 00:32:52.559 --> 00:33:11.200 Oh, I also like his death scene is so crazy, and I like always forget that that's how he chooses to end his life, yeah, until like she goes back to the house, and I'm like, oh no, oh no, I forgot. 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.039 Talk about being surprised it's PG 13. 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.559 Like that, yeah, that scene is so gnarly. 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.160 It's so you're just like, what the what did I just watch? 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:22.880 And why? 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:24.000 Why? 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.279 Why this way? 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.240 I know it's so, it's it's really this film is really well done. 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:31.920 Yeah, it's so great. 00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:57.759 My I I have to say, because I didn't touch on it, but I just have to shout out how much I love just the look of this film, like the visual style is so gorgeous, and their commitment to this like sickly green, cold, blue, grim, grimy color palette for literally the entirety of the film is one of my favorite things ever. 00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:31.039 So yeah, some and I just learned that the cinematographer Boyan Bazzelli, they did this like largely in camera, like it wasn't just an aesthetic choice made in post post, like from the beginning, they knew they wanted to like commit to this specific visual style with like green filtration, soft lighting, and I think it's also shot on 35 millimeter, and then like the colors kind of refined the final image with color timing. 00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:39.440 But it just that when you were talking about like I wonder if they knew as they were making it, like, yeah, this shit is awesome. 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.760 Apart because, like, knowing that fact, I was like, they had to like from the beginning, they were like, it's gonna look like this. 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.920 This is gonna come out so well. 00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:53.440 But yeah, I I thought that was so interesting because it it's it's a pretty extreme commitment. 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.840 Like the color palette is so extreme. 00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:56.880 It's so good. 00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:06.000 I think I saw like a letterbox review that someone said that was like, this movie makes me so depressed, but it might just be the color, the color correction or something like that. 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.039 And I was just like, or it's it's phenomenal. 00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:12.559 Like that's so funny. 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:14.320 Ugh, I love that. 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:18.000 If you haven't seen it, I think it's worth the watch. 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:27.360 And you can check it out on Canopy if you have a free LA or if you have, yeah, an LA public library card. 00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:33.920 I think it's only like streaming right now, but you could definitely find this

at your local video store. 00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:38.079 So definitely check it out and let us know what you think. 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:46.159 And with it being spooky season, I'm sure if you look around, there are some like repertory screenings near you. 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.599 Oh, it'd be so good to see in theaters. 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:50.400 Yes. 00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:51.840 I'm gonna look now. 00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:52.960 I know, right? 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:54.880 We need to go. 00:35:56.880 --> 00:35:57.599 Oh my god. 00:35:57.760 --> 00:35:59.280 God, I could talk about that movie. 00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:03.519 All right. 00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:24.639 Up next, we have our listeners' pick, Sam Raimi's Return to Horror after his Spider-Man trilogy, in 2009 with Drag Me to Hell, directed and co-written by Sam Raimi with Ivan Raimi, his older brother, and produced by his production company, Ghost House Pictures, with a budget of$30 million. 00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:31.199 Similar to The Ring, the film opens with the first instance of this curse. 00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:37.280 In 1969, a young boy was cursed after stealing a silver necklace from a Romani woman. 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:44.559 Despite his efforts to return it, he starts hearing evil voices and is convinced someone or something is after him. 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:50.239 His parents take him to a medium named Sean Sandana and hopes she can help him. 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:58.880 But as she comes face to face with the demon during a seance, she is powerless and forced to watch as it drags the young boy down to hell. 00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:00.480 Insane. 00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:10.480 Cut to present day, Alison Loman plays Christine Brown, a bank loan officer vying for the assistant manager promotion position. 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:20.960 In competition with her asshole male coworker Stu, Christine puts her morals to the side when her boss tells her he's looking for someone who's gonna make the hard choices. 00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:29.280 So when Sylvia Ganoush, an elderly an elderly woman, comes in begging for a third extension on her mortgage, Christine denies her request. 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:36.400 Even after she starts making a bit of a scene begging, she publicly shames her by having her escorted out of the bank. 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.159 Later in the parking lot, Sylvia attacks Christine. 00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:47.920 She rips a button off of Christine's coat and curses it, places it in her palm, and tells her, soon you'll come begging to me. 00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:50.960 And she does, but too little too late. 00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.599 Sylvia, unfortunately, has since died. 00:37:54.719 --> 00:38:00.239 Over the next three days, Christine is plagued by horrific hallucinations and attacked by demons. 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:08.480 She's been acting crazy at work, crazy when meeting her boyfriend's parents for the first time, and by the third day, all seems lost. 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:21.920 Fortunately, she finds she takes solace in a local medium named Ram Jas, who puts her in touch with Shansandana, who has spent the last 40 years waiting for another chance to fight the demon. 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:32.320 They hatch a plan to hold a seance where Sandina will embody the demon, known as the Lamia, transfer him to a goat, and slay the goat to end the Lamia for good. 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:38.400 Unfortunately, the Lamya manages to evade this transfer and kills Shansandana instead. 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:42.960 Christine's left with one option and one option only. 00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:49.440 The only way to break the curse is by giving the cursed item, a button, to someone else. 00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.639 The catches whoever she gifts it to will burn in hell for eternity. 00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:56.320 Tough choice. 00:38:56.559 --> 00:39:06.320 It's classic Sam Raimi, balls to the wall, no pulling on the reins, with stunts, screams, and gore and just disgusting things, of course. 00:39:06.639 --> 00:39:11.920 He puts this poor actress and her stunt tumbles through the fucking ringer with this one. 00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.039 Yeah, I'm excited to hear. 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:17.199 Man, what a what a movie for y'all to pick. 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:25.360 I was so surprised that this one over it was it was a close, almost a tie with It Follows. 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:30.000 So our listeners, let us know what you really love about this one. 00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.000 But Jess, had you you'd seen this one before, but not for a while. 00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.000 It had been a minute. 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.280 I saw it probably very close to when it came out. 00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:40.880 Um because this one was a little bit later. 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:42.159 This was 2009. 00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:42.639 Yeah. 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:47.199 As opposed to the ring, like with 2002, I was still a little, I was a little young. 00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:49.679 And so I had to wait to see the ring for a little bit. 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.559 But Dragon of Hell, I don't think I saw it in theaters. 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:57.280 It might have been another blockbuster bin perhaps. 00:39:58.000 --> 00:39:58.400 Yep. 00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:13.519 But also I got I I mean, I look very different now because I like always wear glasses and I have red hair, but in high school, my natural hair color is blonde and I would wear contacts more. 00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:20.000 And so I got told frequently that I looked like Alison Lohman from Drag Me to Hell. 00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:21.679 That's so funny. 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:25.920 Yes, she's you know, very like doe-eyed. 00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:34.880 And when I was re-watching with my partner in prep for this episode, they just kept like looking over at me and they're like, There's just moments. 00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.360 There's moments where I see you,

and then there's moments where I see Allison. 00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:41.599 I'm like, shut up. 00:40:42.800 --> 00:40:44.239 That is so good. 00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:46.800 I don't see it very much. 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:48.719 Maybe when I was like younger. 00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:52.320 I can kind of see it now that you say it, actually. 00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.679 It's it's much more apparent in high school. 00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:01.760 But yeah, now I'm like, eh, I don't I don't think I give anyone that impression anymore. 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.519 This was one that like I always remembered liking the beginning. 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:15.119 And then remembering it, remembering in my head that it fell off and that I didn't really like the rest of it. 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.000 And in re-watching for this episode, it still remains true. 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.719 Yeah, I feel that so much. 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:32.159 Like, I have a really hard time with this movie because when I've every single time I've like started it, I'm like, oh, why don't I like this movie as much as I think I do? 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:41.760 Like it's so much fun, it's moving around, it's moving so well, starts really strong, starts so strong, and then the fall off is like literally straight off a cliff. 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:45.599 Like it happens so quickly, and you're just like, oh no. 00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:49.920 And it doesn't totally come back around, in my opinion. 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.159 So I totally yeah, I agree. 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.239 I still, I still like this movie. 00:41:54.559 --> 00:42:02.400 I think it's really a fun watch, but I can't say I I can't say I love it, I think. 00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:03.199 I don't know. 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:07.119 I also just like I don't like the character of Christine. 00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:09.440 And I don't think we're supposed to. 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:10.079 That's the thing. 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:16.480 Like, we're you know, she's selfish the whole time, and that's why she ends up eventually, you know, dying. 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:28.480 And it's it's like the the type of curse that this is, it's all based on morality, and it's it's kind of like a fable, this whole film of like basically treat people nicely or you're gonna get dragged to hell. 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:45.039 Um and so like she never we're never really supposed to like we root for her as the protagonist to see how like things work out, but she never really kind of feels bad for her actions. 00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:51.760 I mean, she like at the end realizes oh yeah, maybe I should have like given her another extension on her mortgage. 00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:57.760 Yeah, she has like that last like revelation after everything, and I'm like realized, and you're like, shut up, bitch. 00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:58.559 You're like, really? 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:06.960 Yeah, oh you while you were buying your new jacket for your

Santa Barbara weekend, yeah, with your rich boyfriend, okay. 00:43:07.360 --> 00:43:08.000 Yuck. 00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.480 Oh, yes, I agree. 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.079 She's awful, she's the worst. 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:14.320 You're obviously really broken up. 00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:23.679 Yeah, but like it's also just kind of like because she does all this stuff, and even when like she makes the decision not to give the curse to like another living person. 00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.800 That's true, which you're like, oh, look at you. 00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:42.960 Yeah, but then she decides to continue to degrade this woman by like the ultimate uh like indignity of digging her up and like shoving this thing, like trying to shove it down her throat and like prying this woman's mouth open with a shovel. 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:45.280 I'm like, you're the worst. 00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:46.639 Yeah, I know. 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:48.800 She also doesn't care that she killed her cat, by the way. 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:58.400 So that yeah, for yeah, anyone sensitive to animal deaths in films, you uh you probably shouldn't watch this movie. 00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.760 Like she's just like, oh yeah. 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:01.440 I don't know where the cat went. 00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:03.920 Like, what the is wrong with you? 00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:05.760 That scene is so insane. 00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:07.119 Cause yeah, oh my God. 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:08.239 I'm so glad you brought that up. 00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:18.079 Cause I know it's a minor scene, but it's like all of a sudden she's a totally different person than like the person they've been trying to make you believe she is. 00:44:18.400 --> 00:44:21.039 And yeah, she's like, Oh, I had a cat. 00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:23.199 And her boyfriend's like, You have a cat. 00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:27.360 And she's like, just has this wonk, freaky. 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:28.800 You don't know where they go. 00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:30.159 You know how cats are. 00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:31.760 How am I supposed to know? 00:44:31.920 --> 00:44:32.880 I'm like, what? 00:44:33.679 --> 00:44:35.519 What are you talking about? 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:36.719 It's so, yeah. 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:37.599 Oh my god. 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.320 It's maybe that's like the reveal. 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:41.360 Yeah, I know. 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:41.679 Yeah. 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.079 Her characterization, it just really pisses me off. 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:44.559 I agree. 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:48.480 It's one of the bigger things that I can't get over with this movie. 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:56.239 Cause I I sort of feel like they're still trying to push this narrative that she is like a sweet little farm girl just trying to fit in. 00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:01.039 But then they're also pushing the other narrative of like, yeah, but also she's a bitch. 00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:06.400 And and I guess that can that could work, but I don't think it does in the end. 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:14.159 I think it's the this I felt a similar way in re-watching this that I'm not gonna let it overtake the episode. 00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:15.840 I'm giving you that now. 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.280 This is just a prep to preface my thought. 00:45:19.599 --> 00:45:23.760 But when I was watching Obsession, I felt very similar about Bear. 00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.559 I'm like, okay, what line are we walking? 00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:27.119 Yes. 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:38.480 It seems like the filmmakers know that we're not supposed to like this person, that we're not supposed to like root for them, but then you're also we are aligned with them because of the story. 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:40.320 Yeah, I am confused. 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.320 It's so confusing. 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.039 That's actually such a perfect comparison. 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:48.320 Like that I at least for me, I totally agree with that. 00:45:48.400 --> 00:46:04.559 Of like, and then and then it's so hard to be emotionally invested because you're just like, okay, well, at this point, either she needs to die, or or I don't know, like I guess maybe she doesn't get punished. 00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.639 But I guess that's why I kind of do love the ending of this movie. 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:10.960 Yeah, no, I love when she gets dragged down. 00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.960 Yeah, it falls off so hard, and then you're like, wait, what the hell? 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:19.360 She's gonna have like a happy ending, and then you're like, uh, nice. 00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:22.400 And that's what I didn't like about obsession anyway. 00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.880 Yes, it's the opposite, yeah. 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:25.679 Oh my god. 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:26.880 Oh my god, we can't go there. 00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:27.599 I know you listeners. 00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.960 You listeners are waiting for the obsession episode. 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:32.400 It's never coming. 00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:33.360 No, it might. 00:46:33.440 --> 00:46:34.000 I don't know. 00:46:34.239 --> 00:46:37.760 It's not this one, it's not this one, it's not this one. 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:45.199 I will say, like, another thing that really bugs me is I I'm very sensitive to like the old crone trope. 00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.000 Yeah where it's just like, guess what's scary? 00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:52.159 Old women! And it's just like the fuck? 00:46:52.320 --> 00:47:19.440 What we can't do more than that, and but yeah, it's like they lean so hard into that in this movie, and not only like there's so much problematic like Romani people depiction, and like the yeah, that is a whole nother thing, and there's also the whole like magical people of color where all of the people who are like have larger roles in this film that are people of color are all trying to save this white girl anyway. 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:24.719 Um there's so

much there that we could probably have a whole hour-long discussion. 00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:44.320 Yes, yes, but like I just hate like the when we have this older woman on screen that like we're constantly doing things that make her look gross and disgusting, and like yeah, I just like I was like, Okay, yeah, she has a snotty nose. 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:53.760 I'm sorry, like that is kind of gross, but we all have snotty noses sometimes, and it's like, oh, okay, I don't need to see her take out her dendrons, dentrons for the candy. 00:47:54.079 --> 00:48:03.440 I'm good on like and then like slobbing on the mouth, and then the there's just so many, there's so many gross, quote unquote, gross old lady instances. 00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:09.280 Yeah, and I'm not I was just like it gets to a certain point where you're like, uh no. 00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:16.960 It's just yeah, it's it's so tough because she does nothing wrong. 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.599 Like, I know that maybe sounds crazy. 00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:28.880 Yeah, like yeah, she's just it's just a it's basically the whole movie is basically just her revenge rather than like, oh, this poor girl. 00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.880 But then there's yeah, there's no redemption whatsoever. 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.760 I guess besides the fact that it's like yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:45.920 I guess besides the fact that it's like, oh haha, you like put the wrong envelope in her mouth in the grave. 00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:48.159 Joke on it, bitch. 00:48:48.239 --> 00:48:49.840 I'm like, please. 00:48:50.480 --> 00:49:01.119 Also, yeah, there are times, okay, like this is a good callback because there are there are times when Naomi Watts in the ring says something and you're like, that's fucking right. 00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:05.039 And it's like the delivery is just so good. 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:14.719 And then, like, with Allison Lohman and Drag Me to Hell, it's like there are moments where she's just like, yeah, choke on it, bit, and you're like, Are you do you have cheerleading after this? 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:17.199 I I did not buy it. 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:22.079 You just seem you're like, you're you're the commitment was not there, not at all. 00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.760 Yeah, it's it's really uneven, I guess you could say. 00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:42.400 Like there are moments where I'm like, oh, I'm really into it, and then yeah, like certain line delivery where you're like, I would have would have done that differently, but she's not the only reason it's it's cult classic material by any means. 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:43.199 Exactly. 00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:51.199 Like, I think there are some earlier Sam Raimi stuff where it is that like that tonal disparity. 00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:52.159 Yeah. 00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:55.039 And it's kind of like his style. 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:59.679 And so, like, for fans of Sam Raimi, like people are like, oh yeah, that's just him. 00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:05.519 And and it is like, I mean, he does like the the horror campy comedy kind of thing. 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:05.920 Yeah. 00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:11.840 Like that's you know, he he does that really well, but like but sometimes better than others. 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.800 Like it is it is a hard needle to thread. 00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:16.639 Yes, I totally agree. 00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:22.079 Like, I recently watched Evil Dead 2, and I loved it. 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.840 I was like, this is the best movie ever. 00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:25.760 I'm so glad I watched this. 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:35.280 And then and then I watched this, like having just watched that, and it's like it's so great because you do see elements of it where you're like, oh, I see what he's trying to do. 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:40.719 But like you said, it's yeah, it is like a fine line, surprisingly. 00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:50.000 Because it's even like if you watch Army of Darkness, like it skews so far into ridiculous, and it becomes much more comedy than horror. 00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:59.599 Yes, it's very hard to do all of it, which is why everyone should watch Widow's Bay, because it perfectly I found this boat. 00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:01.360 Did you okay? 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:02.320 We won't talk about it now. 00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:03.920 I know, I know, but we'll have to. 00:51:04.400 --> 00:51:05.519 It's so good. 00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:07.440 Oh my god. 00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:08.800 Yeah, that's a great shout. 00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:10.320 That's a great shout. 00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:17.840 Yeah, no, I I think I'm actually I'm so glad we watched this though, because it is such a perfect like curse. 00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:21.599 Like it's so perfect for it's this episode. 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:27.920 It's kind of like what's the it's like the poster child for a cur for a curse movie. 00:51:28.159 --> 00:51:37.920 Yes, because it's it's you know, at first I was like, oh, the ring is the poster child, but this one is just so like it's a literal, I curse you. 00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:39.519 I have cursed you. 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:41.039 I'm under a curse. 00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.920 Like, oh no, I have to lift it. 00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.320 I have to find a way to lift the curse. 00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:56.960 I will say one of the things that does stick with me from this movie is her getting the nosebleed at work and it going everywhere. 00:51:57.199 --> 00:51:58.159 Oh, it's so good. 00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:05.119 Yeah, we should talk about some of the things that we uh because there are things that do crack me up and I love and enjoy about the film. 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.039 And so good and so good. 00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:09.280 I'm so afraid of it happening to me. 00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.960 I'm like, like, what if you had a nosebleed like that? 00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.719 I know it's like the physics don't match

raining everywhere. 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:17.920 Oh my god. 00:52:18.079 --> 00:52:20.239 I love that she's fully like conscious for it too. 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:21.840 She's just like, oh no. 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:24.960 Oh my god, I'm so sorry. 00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:28.800 I love that scene. 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:33.519 Also, I love the use of like flies in this movie. 00:52:33.599 --> 00:52:35.679 Yeah, it's so disgusting. 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:53.760 And there's such a great scene where she's sleeping, and you see this fly come in through her window, and it's like kind of like landing on her face, and she's twitching, and and then the camera's just like pushing in more and more and more, where it's like all you're thinking about is how close this fly is to her nose. 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:54.480 Yeah. 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:59.679 And you see it like crawl up her nose one nostril and out the other. 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:14.239 And then, and if you don't think that's bad enough, then it like literally pryes its like way into her mouth, like through her lips, and you're just like, This is the worst thing I've ever seen. 00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.199 It's so it makes like my skin crawl, just thinking about it. 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.480 But I love it because you're just forced to watch it. 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:36.639 It was great watching it with Ashley because again, Ashley had not seen this, and so when when the fly was right by the nose, Ashley was just like, no, it's gonna go in there. 00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:39.760 It's gonna go in the nose. 00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:42.480 And I was just like, Yeah, it is. 00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.320 Yeah, you got it, you got it. 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:52.960 And then when it went in went in her mouth, Ashley was like, no, I don't blame them because it is horrible. 00:53:55.280 --> 00:54:10.239 And what follows is even worse because then she has a dream where this older woman vomits maggots and mealworms into her mouth, and apparently there was some dirt too. 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.599 And dirt, yeah, and allegedly they are real. 00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:16.239 I would not be surprised. 00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:25.920 I mean, they looked real, and I know that there are there is much power in special effects, but like they looked pretty spot on. 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:28.079 Yeah, like it looks bad. 00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:30.880 And Alison Loman's mouth is fully open. 00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:33.599 Yeah, oh god. 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:46.079 It's probably the most memorable scene for me because you're just like, oh my god, that was that was too real out of the other stuff that's a little more like campy, kitschy, but all good fun. 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.679 I was trying to refrain, I guess I'll say it anyway. 00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.480 It just made me think of I was watching Nathan for You. 00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:06.719 And it was when he was trying to get people to the the like what was it,

the car wash, and he's trying to talk to people and the the birds are pooping on the car, and then he gets some in his mouth. 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.559 And he's just like that's what I thought of when I watched that scene. 00:55:16.639 --> 00:55:20.000 I was like, oh no, so gross. 00:55:23.519 --> 00:55:24.719 Oh my god. 00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:44.159 Yeah, this is I I have a funny story of I it's not that funny, but the first time I watched this movie was in high school, and my high school was having like Halloween horror movie night, and I was so excited, and I get there and it's like fired. 00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.079 You know, it's kind of an absurd movie to show. 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.559 I was like, yeah, I'm gonna go see Drag Me to Hell. 00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:56.880 But they showed it in like just our little library on a really, really small screen. 00:55:57.039 --> 00:55:57.360 Oh my god. 00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:04.639 And we were all like the lights were on, and we were all sitting in these like metal chairs, just so uncomfortable. 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:17.039 And it was such a perfect example of like how much setting can change how you experience specifically a horror movie, because I was like, this is the dumbest movie I've ever seen in my life. 00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:18.719 I cannot believe I came here. 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:24.400 I was I I went home so pissed because I was like, this is not what I had in mind. 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:35.360 And then the second time I watched it was I think last year or two years ago at the New Beverly, and I had like a whole other experience. 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:41.760 Like I was like, it was the second movie, and I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna stay for like a double feature because I was like, I don't like this movie. 00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:56.159 But being in the dark, like pitch black, and the sound in this movie is so loud, like obscenely loud, and a lot of the jump scares are just like this blaring noise. 00:56:56.480 --> 00:57:06.079 And yeah, seeing it in that setting, I was surprisingly like getting jump scares that I never would have ever thought would happen after my first watch in the library. 00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.639 Yes, Noah, you know, I completely I completely agree. 00:57:10.800 --> 00:57:12.960 Like the setting settings everything. 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:14.320 It is, yeah. 00:57:14.559 --> 00:57:19.440 And yeah, no, I can't imagine seeing this in the theater, it would be great. 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:20.719 It would be excuse. 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.840 Especially with like an audience who loves it. 00:57:24.079 --> 00:57:26.320 It was it it was really exciting. 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:38.320 So I will say, if that sounds fun to you, I highly recommend because yeah, it was it totally changed like how I felt about them the movie, and then watched it at home for this, and I was like, eh, it's not that good. 00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:43.440 So yeah. 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:49.440 Anyways, any any final thoughts on drag me to hell? 00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.119 Justin Long. 00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:55.119 That's it. 00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.639 I just wanted to call out Justin Long and his commitment to the horrors on. 00:57:59.199 --> 00:57:59.599 Thank you. 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:00.400 Yeah. 00:58:00.639 --> 00:58:01.119 Ugh. 00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:03.840 I'm always so happy to see him in a horror movie. 00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:08.000 I know when he pops up, you're like, oh yay! Yay! It's one of those. 00:58:08.159 --> 00:58:10.159 Yeah, that's so true. 00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:13.360 Where did I watch this? 00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:14.880 It's on Peacock. 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:15.679 That's where I watched it. 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.880 Okay, yeah, you guys can stream it on Peacock. 00:58:19.039 --> 00:58:26.480 Yeah, I'm sure there will be repertory screenings of it this season and definitely at your local video store. 00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:27.440 They probably have it. 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:28.639 So check it out. 00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:42.639 Let us know if this is a thumbs up or meh or thumbs down for you because yeah, I feel like this is one of those that has very mixed reviews, but it's always fun to hear what people love and what people don't love about it. 00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:45.280 So let us know. 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:55.760 But we're gonna take a quick break, and during that break, you're gonna hear from LADFF director and gimme three producer Sonia Maru for an edition that we call Sonia's Movie Minute. 00:58:55.920 --> 00:58:57.119 We'll be right back. 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:06.559 Hello, I'm Sonia, and this is my movie minute. 00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:12.960 I just saw my most anticipated movie of the year, Alejandro Igneritu's Digger. 00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:20.079 Apparently, it was not everybody else's most anticipated movie of the year because it disappointed at the box office. 00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.159 But it didn't disappoint me. 00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:27.199 I would describe it as a dystopian and profound bird man. 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:34.960 Or our friend Man Kisses described it as Doctor Strange Love meets Senectity New York, meets behind the green door. 00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:43.280 The film is funny, absurdist, tragic, and it doesn't shy away from any of the most important issues of our time or the future. 00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.800 In fact, it leans into them pretty fucking hard. 00:59:47.199 --> 00:59:56.400 Tom gives one of his best performances ever, the cinematography is gorgeously twisted, and the production design is impeccably disturbed. 00:59:56.559 --> 01:00:01.920 So this is my PSA Don't Listen to anyone but me, and go see Digger. 01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:30.559 We've talked about the go-to curse horror flick with Gore Verbinski's The Ring and our listener's pick with Sam Raimi's cult classic Drag Me to Hell. 01:00:30.800 --> 01:00:35.519 And now

Jess is going to introduce our third and final film of the day. 01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:37.039 Take it away, Jess. 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:51.280 When Nobuhiko Obayashi decided to make a film like the ones he admired coming from America, he pulled inspiration from distinctly Japanese roots in his experience with World War II, the loss of war, and atomic warfare. 01:00:51.519 --> 01:01:02.719 Having lost his childhood friends due to the bombing in Hiroshima, he knew he wanted to have a film pull from this while also having a clear antagonist that could come for you, like the Shark and Jaws. 01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:15.280 After a conversation with his 10-year-old daughter, they both realized that the force coming for you could be something as mundane, seemingly mundane, as your own reflection in the mirror. 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:26.159 Not only does this quote unquote big bad have so much psychology to mine, which the film definitely digs into, it's also scary and visually trippy to boot. 01:01:26.400 --> 01:01:37.199 The emotional core and the pain that exists within The Curse of the House grounds this wild roller coaster of a film and leaves you thinking about it for years to come. 01:01:37.440 --> 01:01:39.519 But it is really, really out there and quite wild. 01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.119 I'm not forgetting that at all. 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:49.440 But the film that we're referencing is Hausu, which was released to audiences in 1977. 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.440 And Bella, I believe this was the first time you had seen this film, correct? 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:54.320 Yes. 01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:56.000 Oh my goodness. 01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.320 The first time, and it was wild. 01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:03.039 I I wrote down at one point one of the girls in this film named Prof. 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:07.599 says it's unscientific, unexplainable, unnatural, unreasonable. 01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:08.960 It doesn't make sense. 01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:13.679 And I thought that was a perfect description of this film. 01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:20.320 And also why the only way I think I could ever describe it is honestly pure magic. 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:24.880 It is, it's a wild, weird movie. 01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:37.119 Like it starts as almost, it feels like a 1970s, like made-for-TV like movie, with like it's or it's like a teen summer movie. 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:39.760 You're like, oh, we're teens and we're hanging out. 01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.039 We're gonna go to the beach or like at someone's house. 01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:51.119 It's like it's so this weird, like light, whimsical, like very saccharine tone. 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:55.039 And then it just takes a hard left. 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:57.280 Really very hard. 01:02:57.599 --> 01:03:06.719 As soon as like you get to the watermelon scene, and it's funny because again, my partner had not seen this, and so you know, there was a lot of education with this episode. 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.360 Yeah, wow, that's amazing. 01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:11.039 I love it. 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:13.039 That's what the podcast is for. 01:03:13.360 --> 01:03:14.159 Exactly. 01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:16.960 But my mom had seen this with me. 01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:25.440 I made my mom watch this over like the height of the pandemic when everything was locked down, and I had forgotten that I did that. 01:03:25.840 --> 01:03:33.199 And so I was telling my mom about prepping for this episode, and I was like, Oh yeah, and I have to watch House Su, which you haven't seen. 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:36.000 And she was like, I've seen it, Jessica. 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:39.599 You made me watch it, and I was like, Oh yeah, I did. 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:41.360 She was like, Yeah, the watermelon. 01:03:41.519 --> 01:03:47.599 And I was like, That was the first thing, and like the the height of what she remembered. 01:03:47.760 --> 01:04:17.280 Oh my god, so it's like that really I think it's it's an iconic scene, but it's also it's indicative of like such a tonal shift, yes, that I think it really sticks with you, where it's just like la la la la la summer break, you know, whatever, and then all of a sudden it's just like, oh, there's a head in the well, and then it flies around and then chums her butt, and then she's just like shoves it back in the well. 01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:21.760 So yeah, you're like, oh, oh, okay. 01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:24.880 New new new thing going on here. 01:04:25.519 --> 01:04:27.760 Yes, so it is like a dramatic departure. 01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:41.039 And one thing that like I wanna really drive home for everybody listening is that the director talking to his daughter and kind of getting the impetus for the film, it didn't stop there. 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:50.960 Like he asked her about like all of her fears and nightmares and all that kind of stuff, and it's like all of her fears and nightmares are like in the film. 01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:54.960 So that's she was afraid of the futons. 01:04:55.360 --> 01:05:01.280 Oh my god, like because see, that makes sense because that really comes out of note. 01:05:01.519 --> 01:05:04.000 Like, I was like, how does one comes out of nowhere? 01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:13.039 And it's like she was afraid of the futons when she was little because they were heavy, and when she had to get them off the shelf, they would fall on her and like crush her. 01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.519 Oh, yeah, and so that was something she was afraid of, and he was like, Let's put it in. 01:05:17.679 --> 01:05:21.199 And then futons attacking a little girl. 01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:28.639 She thought, like, when she had to go to her grandparents' house and get the the watermelon out of the well, she was like, What if it was a head? 01:05:28.880 --> 01:05:31.360 Like, this was like all of like her stuff. 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:39.119 Oh, that's so cool that he like put into the script, and she has like a story credit

on the film. 01:05:39.360 --> 01:05:40.400 Oh, that's so sweet. 01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:45.199 And so she was like a teen, like, you know, by the time they like went into production, she was in her early teens. 01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:45.760 Yeah. 01:05:46.000 --> 01:05:47.840 So yeah, it was just like his daughter. 01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:49.840 Right? 01:05:49.920 --> 01:05:51.519 It was like this family affair. 01:05:51.679 --> 01:05:59.360 And um one of the things that I didn't know that like was really inspirational for me was the story of this film. 01:05:59.440 --> 01:06:05.199 Cause like I'd seen it many times, but I didn't know the the history of like actually getting it made. 01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:11.119 Um the writer director he co-wrote. 01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:26.400 I I should give credit to you know the fact that he wrote this with someone else, but he had this idea for this movie, and they came up with it, came up with the treatment, and he went to this production company called Toho and he took it to them. 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:32.320 They were like, oh my god, we love this, but no one's gonna make this movie because it's so weird. 01:06:33.039 --> 01:06:41.440 They were like none of the directors that we have on our in our, you know, what's the word that we represent or that we work with. 01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:45.440 No one's gonna touch this, nobody wants it, but we love it. 01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:46.320 Yeah. 01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:50.000 And so he was like, okay, great. 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:54.480 Because at the time he was just the writer, he he wasn't even thinking about directing it. 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:55.599 Oh, wow. 01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:03.840 He made business cards with the the image that he created for like the house with the tongue sticking out. 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:04.639 Oh, yeah. 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:09.280 Um, and he put on the business cards, Toho is gonna make this film. 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:27.840 No, and he just went and started like giving them out to people, and he created like an audio drama, he created the he got the soundtrack for the film made, he did all this press for it for two years. 01:07:28.079 --> 01:07:38.320 Oh my god, he did all of this stuff to basically create an audience for the film that would put pressure on the production company to actually make it. 01:07:38.719 --> 01:07:39.599 So smart. 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:48.000 So it's kind of like we have that happening today, and we're like, oh god, yeah, this is you know, back in the old days they didn't have this. 01:07:48.079 --> 01:07:49.599 It's like, no, this guy was doing it. 01:07:49.679 --> 01:07:52.559 He was like, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna drum up, build my audience. 01:07:52.719 --> 01:08:00.480 He was doing that crowdsourcing of like, you know, like getting people involved and having them demand to do this. 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:03.840 Like, I think at one point he did like a fashion show. 01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.320 Oh my god, that's amazing. 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:10.159 With like seven girls, and he was like, Yeah, the seven girls of house. 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:13.840 Like, he just wouldn't let it die. 01:08:14.159 --> 01:08:18.720 And it got to the point where the production company couldn't ignore it anymore, and then they're like, Yeah, I guess we'll make it. 01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:20.319 We're doing it now, yeah. 01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:21.119 We have to. 01:08:21.359 --> 01:08:22.960 And they're like, Do you want to direct it? 01:08:23.119 --> 01:08:25.279 And he's just like, Yeah, why not? 01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:29.520 That is amazing. 01:08:29.760 --> 01:08:30.239 Oh my god. 01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:32.239 And so this was like his directorial debut. 01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:37.119 He had done like short films, but this was his like feature, and he didn't even want to do this as his feature. 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:41.680 He had a different one that he wanted to make for his feature, but he was just like, Well, I guess we're doing this one. 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.279 Okay, that's amazing. 01:08:43.439 --> 01:08:45.439 That makes me love it even more. 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:46.319 Yeah. 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:48.000 Hell of a first feature. 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:54.079 Like, I can, you know, when you've seen this movie, you can understand what the hell did this script look like? 01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.199 How was anyone going to envision it? 01:08:57.359 --> 01:09:09.199 And yeah, I think it's just it's so beautiful that he got to make it happen, like bring it to life, especially like with the fact that like his daughter was involved in it. 01:09:09.439 --> 01:09:18.800 And I think I read about how, like, yeah, he had just casted friends and like family, like neighbors as like the boom guy and stuff like that. 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:24.239 Like, it was very much just like we're gonna have fun, and that's what it feels like. 01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:49.119 Like, it is it's so much fun, but at the same time, like you were talking about there are so many like underlying themes of you know, the scars of war, and and so even though you have all of this like magic and fun, there is something deeper there and something really emotional and devastating. 01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:59.439 But it's yeah, just the way that he like wove all of that together in something that's so bizarre is is so fascinating. 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:02.479 Like, I immediately wanted to watch it again after I watched it. 01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:09.279 I actually watched it, I just had it on the other day again, and Jonathan was like, Is this isn't this the weird movie that you watched the other day? 01:10:09.520 --> 01:10:10.880 And I was like, Yes. 01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:15.680 And I'm gonna watch it again. 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:33.760 It just does like, I mean, for me with this film, I think it's one of the most stylistically inspirational films that I've seen in my life because in

all of my own work, there are visuals from this film that are like in all of my decks. 01:10:33.920 --> 01:10:34.640 Like I love it. 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:42.319 Any kind of in any kind of deck that I'm doing to like or look book to convey kind of what I'm looking for. 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:50.560 It at some point in this movie, there's a visual that connects and also and like corresponds to what I'm thinking of. 01:10:50.800 --> 01:11:00.159 Cause it's just like so gorgeous, and it's also so inventive and colorful, and just like it's just crazy. 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:04.000 It's just like it's it is gorgeous and crazy. 01:11:04.159 --> 01:11:08.000 Those are like literally the two per like it's the perfect combo of both. 01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:20.319 Cause you're like, you almost wouldn't expect it to be beautiful because you're like, this is kind of haphazard in a good way, like and very handmade and like DIY kind of feel. 01:11:21.119 --> 01:11:27.439 And but yeah, I literally wrote in my notes, like, I want to frame every frame of this movie in my house. 01:11:27.600 --> 01:11:31.520 Like, I just want, yeah, like I want a house made of house. 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:40.800 It's so there, you just like if you could pause each frame, you'd be like, oh my god, this is this is just amazing to look at as a whole. 01:11:41.119 --> 01:12:05.600 And like also just I the the way that it's like this dream-like logic that like informs the world, where like the scene where gorgeous, for all of our listeners, all the the seven girls all have names that I guess are just define their whole personality. 01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:14.640 Um so there's like gorgeous, fantasy, prof, who's the smart one, Melody, who likes music. 01:12:15.119 --> 01:12:22.560 Like they just have like one there's Sweet, who's really sweet, Mac, who likes to eat food. 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:23.760 How dare she? 01:12:24.399 --> 01:12:53.760 But yeah, so like Gorgeous is this central figure in the movie, and they're going to Gorgeous's aunt's house because Gorgeous has not seen her aunt for like 10 years, and through the course of the film, you realize that Gorgeous's aunt is dead and is like this spirit that has been holding on to life for a while because she's basically waiting for her beloved, who was her intended like husband. 01:12:54.079 --> 01:13:00.319 She was going to marry him, but the war took him and he was drafted, and he just never returned. 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:18.239 And so she never got word if he was killed or not, but she's just waiting, and so she's been like staying alive and holding on, and her spirit has possessed this house, and she's just been waiting for her beloved to come home and stays alive by eating girls. 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:46.720 So when she possesses Gorgeous at one point, it's so beautiful, it's like this dream-like sequence of you see the reflection in the mirror of Gorgeous's aunt, and then you're seeing this like fire burst out through the reflection and overtake gorgeous, and it's so experimental, and like you're like, this is not something that could actually happen. 01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:48.159 She's not actually on fire. 01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.279 It's very just like, but like art, but you get it. 01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:52.399 Yeah, yeah. 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.840 It's like it's this is a movie. 01:13:55.920 --> 01:14:06.079 Like, I've actually I've been so excited to talk about it, but also nervous because I almost can't really articulate like how I want to describe this movie, especially in like podcast format. 01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:08.239 It's like, okay, I'm just trying to explain to you guys. 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:12.319 You're just trying to wrap your head around like and conveying it to another person, yes. 01:14:12.479 --> 01:14:13.119 Yes, exactly. 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:17.600 And I'm still processing it myself, having only watched it once and very recently. 01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:45.359 But that scene is such a great example where yeah, the effects are so it's almost like a perfect crossbreed of animation in a little bit where it's like this could have just been an animated movie, like very easily, and it would have been very easy to follow and seamless, and like no one could ever criticize, oh, that looks kind of silly. 01:14:45.680 --> 01:14:53.039 But you know, it was a choice to make it live action and have all these, like, oh, you know what? 01:14:53.119 --> 01:15:01.359 The style reminds me a lot of what is it, uh, Vera Chitilova's Daisies, which is like one of my favorite movies ever. 01:15:01.600 --> 01:15:22.000 And they have very similar crossover in like the style where it's like lots of overlaying, like layers, but then also they do this effect where they almost like take scissors to the film itself, it looks like, and like chop it up and layer that, and it's just oh, it's so cool. 01:15:22.159 --> 01:15:26.880 It's so it looks so good, even if it's like it's like it's all intentional, you know. 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:32.560 Like it's not I'm not convinced that this person, I'm like, oh my no, I'm not, I'm not like, oh my god, how did they do that? 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:36.239 That looks so real, but that's not the point, which is why it's it's not the point, yeah. 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:48.399 It's like playing with the art, like it's calling attention to the art form of cinema, but it is something of artifice that you can play with, and it's like using that stylistically. 01:15:48.560 --> 01:16:02.800 So it's like, hey, we're conveying this possession scene, it doesn't need to be like they could have easily just had like, oh, the ants reflection in the mirror, and their their reflections are together in the mirror, and like they do some kind of overlay or something like that. 01:16:02.960 --> 01:16:05.520 Yeah, and that would have conveyed it, but that's not what they were interested in. 01:16:05.680 --> 01:16:15.520 They were like, let's

play with this and like really have it be like very evocative of the feeling that we want to give, and that's what's exciting everybody. 01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:17.520 Yes, exactly. 01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:23.520 It is totally just the magic of filmmaking. 01:16:23.920 --> 01:16:28.880 Like, and yeah, the magic of of experimenting with filmmaking. 01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:47.920 And yeah, it the whole movie is just one whole experiment of like lighting, color, framing, special effects, editing, like jump crazy jump cuts, and like even just like sometimes it's linear, sometimes it's non-linear, and you're like, are we in the same world or time that we were in? 01:16:48.159 --> 01:17:00.960 And it's it's kind of just like a puzzle that you have to figure out, but but at the same time, it's more a puzzle that you just as cheesy as it sounds, it's like a puzzle that you kind of just feel and like let it take you on the ride. 01:17:01.199 --> 01:17:07.680 Because once you start to be like, wait, but that didn't match this, it's like don't worry about it. 01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:11.840 That's not the experience that you're supposed to have with house. 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:16.479 If that's yeah, you just gotta like sit back and let it take you where it's gonna take you. 01:17:16.800 --> 01:17:17.600 Yes, yeah. 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:24.880 And you also, it's one of those movies, like when I was trying to prep my partner for it, I was like, I can't explain this movie to you. 01:17:25.439 --> 01:17:32.960 There's no way to adequately prepare you for this until you're watching it, and you probably won't know if you're in the mood to watch it until you're watching it. 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:35.199 God, that's so true. 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:37.039 That's so true. 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:38.560 Oh my god. 01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.720 Like you might start it and go, wait, I don't think I'm ready for this, right? 01:17:42.960 --> 01:17:43.439 Yes. 01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:44.399 Yes. 01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:51.600 I kind of had that because I started it late at night, and I was definitely for me a daytime watch. 01:17:51.760 --> 01:18:01.199 Yeah, I was falling asleep, and I was like, I know this is not a reflection on the film, it is just not a sleepy nighttime movie. 01:18:01.359 --> 01:18:02.560 You you will fall asleep. 01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:05.279 Like you need your faculties about you. 01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.399 Yes, totally. 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:10.880 Oh my god. 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:13.119 Oh, it's so wonderful. 01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:14.720 There's so many great moments. 01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:22.239 I have to say, I love the performance by the aunt. 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:22.960 I'm forgetting her. 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:24.079 Oh, I love her. 01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:25.279 She's so good. 01:18:25.520 --> 01:18:30.159 I get so mad when we don't when she when it's not her time anymore and she possesses gorgeous. 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:31.520 I'm like, no, I want her. 01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:32.159 Right? 01:18:32.319 --> 01:18:32.720 I know. 01:18:32.800 --> 01:18:35.840 She's I also am obsessed with her character design. 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:52.239 She's got this like super sharp cunty bob that's like bleached, and then these just like rose-tinted glasses, and I don't know, just like when you first see her, you're like, oh shit, who is this? 01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:54.640 Yes, who is this lady? 01:18:55.199 --> 01:19:00.880 And she's so elegant, but she's also very much dead, and it's so creepy. 01:19:01.039 --> 01:19:03.600 You're like, oh, this is so, this is so creepy. 01:19:03.680 --> 01:19:10.800 And I love that all the girls are just like, yeah, whatever, but fantasy the whole time is like, no, everything is fucked. 01:19:10.960 --> 01:19:13.840 We're all gonna disappear, we're all gonna die. 01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:18.319 And they're like, girl, relax, like it's gonna be fine. 01:19:18.479 --> 01:19:22.720 You're just imagining things, you're very imaginative fantasy. 01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:28.159 Well, that's like um that's something that I never really like. 01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:34.800 I I followed it and like I noticed it, but I never really like fully processed it until watching it with my partner this time. 01:19:34.880 --> 01:19:39.840 And my partner was like, is everyone gonna gaslight fantasy because that's her name? 01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:43.520 Like after the watermelon scene, and I was like, you know what? 01:19:43.680 --> 01:19:50.560 They do, they are gonna gaslight to the very end, to the like beyond reason. 01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:54.479 You're just like, guys, please, half of your friends are missing. 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:56.319 Yeah, please. 01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.920 It's like you started with seven girls, you're down to two. 01:20:00.159 --> 01:20:05.279 Yeah, it's not looking good for y'all, it's really not. 01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:07.760 Oh my god, it's not looking good. 01:20:08.000 --> 01:20:08.479 So funny. 01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:16.640 Yeah, I mean, and everyone finds, you know, meets their maker in in in very strange and entertaining ways. 01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:17.119 Yes. 01:20:17.359 --> 01:20:18.239 Oh my god. 01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:35.279 I think my the most ridiculous one, and the one I always forget about until it happens, is they have this really weird problematic fixation on their teacher who looks old anyway, and he's gonna come spend the break with them. 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:47.520 Yeah, not good, not good, really weird, and fantasy like is in love with him, so yeah, yeah, it didn't age well, but oh no, but Mr. 01:20:47.680 --> 01:21:21.119 Togo is his name, and you keep like seeing him on his way trying to get to this house, and it's just like these weird little inserts of him, like his little road trip, yeah, and then he finally gets right by the house, and then the weird watermelon guy is like, watermelons, and then like Togo's like,

Oh, bananas, and he's talking about bananas, and he looks really scared and gets in his car, and you're like, Why what is happening? 01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:40.079 And then at the very end, Gorgeous's soon-to-be mom is like coming to to get gorgeous from her aunt's house, and there's just a pile of bananas in Toby's car, and you're like, Wait, he turned into bananas? 01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.760 Because it's got his little hat on top, yeah. 01:21:44.000 --> 01:21:47.680 And you're just like, Why am I surprised at this point? 01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:48.640 I know, right? 01:21:48.800 --> 01:21:53.199 We shouldn't be, and yeah, it is like, oh, oh, so that's what happened. 01:21:53.359 --> 01:21:55.680 What you're like, how did he turn into bananas? 01:21:55.760 --> 01:21:58.720 And then you're like, Well, I I shouldn't question it. 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:01.119 Shouldn't be asking questions at this point. 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:03.119 Just accept that he's now banana. 01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:05.279 That is such an absurd death. 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:07.520 It's like, okay. 01:22:08.000 --> 01:22:17.680 My favorite is the most obvious, which is Melody getting eaten by the piano, starting with her little fingers, and then piece by piece. 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:20.159 And it's just so funny. 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:23.359 You're like, oh my god, this is I mean, it is like disturbing. 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:25.199 It's just like limbs, yeah. 01:22:25.359 --> 01:22:35.279 And then like her hands are like caught in the strings underneath the top, and you're like, oh god, but and she gets like dismembered, fully dismembered, yeah, yeah. 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:39.359 And it's but it's also really funny the way they do it. 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:40.159 It is. 01:22:41.039 --> 01:22:44.000 Uh, it's so it is the dichotomy of this movie. 01:22:44.159 --> 01:22:48.000 It's just it's like, oh, this is kind of horrific. 01:22:48.720 --> 01:23:06.079 Like, also, one of my favorite images in this movie is when they show the picture of the cat on the wall, and it's just getting scarier and scarier as things are develop or devolving, and then all of a sudden its mouth is open and blood is spewing out, and you're just like, What? 01:23:06.560 --> 01:23:09.520 This is legitimately unhinged. 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:13.119 But I love that image of just this crazy looking cat with blood. 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:15.359 It's horrifying, yeah. 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:21.119 It's like a bad trip where it's like you're looking at that thing that just starts getting freakier and freakier. 01:23:21.600 --> 01:23:22.399 It's so great. 01:23:22.479 --> 01:23:26.319 And I also I'm a sucker for just like overwhelming blood. 01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:26.560 Yeah. 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:35.840 And so my partner always makes fun of that when there's a scene in a movie where it's like blood everywhere, they'll turn to me and be like, is this your favorite scene? 01:23:36.000 --> 01:23:36.960 And I'm like, shut up. 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:40.239 Because I just I don't know what it is. 01:23:40.319 --> 01:23:46.239 If it's done right, like just like waves of blood is really affecting to me. 01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:56.800 Oh, so you love one of my favorite scenes when the house is flooded with blood, yes, yes, and they're sailing down the river of blood through the house. 01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:58.479 Yes, it's so awesome. 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:00.000 I I get it, I get it. 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:06.159 It's that oh my god, it's so awesome too, because it's all executed practically. 01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:10.399 So it's just like this is real, this is real, and it looks so cool. 01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:19.760 It looks so cool, it looks so good, and then you know, fantasy like goes to gorgeous, and you know, it looks like, oh, is fantasy gonna be okay? 01:24:19.920 --> 01:24:26.319 You know she's not, but and then my partner was like, Oh, is this just their their gay origin story? 01:24:26.960 --> 01:24:33.920 And I was like, it could be, but could be I would like that movie, I but that would be a great part too. 01:24:34.319 --> 01:24:35.920 It would be a great part too. 01:24:36.640 --> 01:24:44.239 Maybe a girl can like we never see fantasy no dispatched, yeah. 01:24:44.399 --> 01:24:45.600 That's so true. 01:24:45.920 --> 01:24:47.920 Maybe they just live there together now. 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:49.920 Maybe gorgeous and fantasy just live there. 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:58.560 Happily consume other girls that come there, they just continue living the cycle. 01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:01.119 Wow, that would be so beautiful. 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:02.720 Wow, it would. 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:10.239 I I do think that gorgeous's stepmom, soon to be stepmom, because they're not married yet. 01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:12.800 Oh, yeah, yeah, no, she's definitely done. 01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:14.640 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:25:14.800 --> 01:25:15.600 Yeah, absolutely. 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:18.000 With the wind that follows her everywhere. 01:25:18.239 --> 01:25:20.560 Oh my god, it's such a funny bit. 01:25:20.800 --> 01:25:22.159 It's so hysterical. 01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:23.520 It's so funny. 01:25:23.680 --> 01:25:25.279 I I yeah, I have that in my notes. 01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:27.199 I'm like, oh my god, this is the best. 01:25:27.359 --> 01:25:29.039 Just like out of nowhere. 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:41.359 No matter where she is, and even like I think in one of the last shots of the film, it's literally like Gorgeous's aunt in Gorgeous's body, like sitting across from I believe the character's name is Ryoko. 01:25:41.680 --> 01:26:00.159 Yes, and they're in the same room, and gorgeous gorgeous's body looks like is just existing in a normal room, but Ryoko, everything is moving on her, and the wind is still surrounding her, and you're just like, what is happening? 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:01.680 It's so good. 01:26:02.079 --> 01:26:05.039

She just looks like she's constantly in like a perfume ad. 01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:06.479 Yes, absolutely. 01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:08.880 You're just like, oh, this bitch. 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:14.399 Everything is pleasant in Ryoko's life. 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:18.000 She always looks good, the wind's always blowing the right way. 01:26:18.479 --> 01:26:21.760 I mean, the actress is gorgeous, she's like a beautiful, beautiful woman. 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:23.439 Yeah, yeah. 01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:24.159 Oh my god. 01:26:24.399 --> 01:26:25.840 Her hair is always perfect. 01:26:26.000 --> 01:26:27.520 Yeah, she's pristine. 01:26:27.760 --> 01:26:30.640 She has like a scarf flying behind her. 01:26:31.520 --> 01:26:33.199 Oh, I love it. 01:26:33.359 --> 01:26:34.159 I love it so much. 01:26:34.319 --> 01:26:38.239 This is such a like you have to see it to believe it kind of movie. 01:26:38.399 --> 01:26:47.760 Like, I feel like as much as we can describe these scenes when you watch it, you'll be like, this is not what I expected at all. 01:26:48.720 --> 01:26:54.479 And I will say, like, you know, because I love this movie, I don't want anyone to think I'm biased, but I am. 01:26:54.800 --> 01:27:03.119 But like, I think this is my favorite type of curse out of the ones that we've had this episode, because this is like the evolving curse. 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:20.399 This is something where it's like the pain, it's like the it's a curse that comes to be through an evolution of the like echoes of pain and the scars of these deep emotions that's like held in a place by a person. 01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:33.359 Like that kind of that resonates with me because I think there are like places in the world, like it's that that phenomenon of like when you go to a place and you get that like weird feeling. 01:27:33.600 --> 01:27:34.479 Yeah, totally. 01:27:34.720 --> 01:27:40.960 Where you're just like there, it's like a psychic energy scar of like something really terrible happened here. 01:27:41.199 --> 01:28:15.039 Like when it comes to like ghosts and stuff, I'm I'm kind of like agnostic, but I do believe in that kind of energy thing where there's certain places you go and you're just like you you feel weird and you get the creeps, you feel that something happened here, and so it's like yeah, I really like for how so it's kind of playing on that where it's Like the pain that this woman felt was so monumental, and like she scarred this house that like her pain allowed her to, you know, basically possess this house. 01:28:15.279 --> 01:28:15.520 Yeah. 01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:31.520 Um, and it's this curse has evolved just from her feeling these feelings and this this this like grieving for a life that she lost that she saw her sister being able to get married and have a family, and she never got any of that. 01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:34.000 It's so it's so sad. 01:28:34.399 --> 01:28:37.039 Like it's it is such a devastating. 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:40.399 It's

it's it's such a tragedy, really. 01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:48.720 And and like tragedy in the sense of like a love story too, like grief, and there's like moments of like a love story. 01:28:49.520 --> 01:29:14.720 Yeah, similar to what I was saying at the beginning of like underneath like the magic is kind of a facade of like what's actually there, and what's actually there is this cursed space, this cursed house that then, yeah, just kind of like the cycle continues of it never goes there, and it's so oh yeah, it is oh my god, it's so good. 01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:15.680 I loved this movie. 01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:19.119 I already want to rewatch it now that we're talking about it again, too. 01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:31.680 One of my favorite, like I always forget it until I watch it, but I think one of my favorite things that they do stylistically is when they do show the flashback, like of this backstory of Gorgeous's aunt. 01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:39.199 Yes, and then the girls are commenting on it, like mystery science theater, and I'm just like, that's so cool. 01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:44.720 Cause they're like, it's like they're watching this footage and they're just like, oh, he's so handsome. 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:47.199 And you're just like, it's so cool. 01:29:47.359 --> 01:29:47.920 I love it. 01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.720 I love that they're not they're not precious with anything. 01:29:51.039 --> 01:29:51.840 Yeah, yeah. 01:29:52.079 --> 01:29:54.960 No, it's oh, I love that you shouted that scene out. 01:29:55.039 --> 01:30:02.960 Cause yeah, that's where I feel like that was one of the moments where I was like, okay, this movie is doing something that I've literally never seen before. 01:30:03.279 --> 01:30:03.600 Right. 01:30:03.760 --> 01:30:07.680 And I'm so excited to see where, like, if this is because it happens at the beginning. 01:30:07.760 --> 01:30:15.520 So you're like, if this is just the beginning, whatever I'm about to get, whatever is following this is going to be life-changing. 01:30:18.079 --> 01:30:19.920 Not to be dramatic. 01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:24.319 Man, yeah, it's it's fantastic. 01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:33.600 I'm I'm looking through my notes to see what else I have to say, but I feel like we've covered all the the main points. 01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:39.119 Ashley did want me to highlight the sexualization of teenage girls. 01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:42.000 Oh, yes, yeah, because it it was a bit shocking. 01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:44.880 I didn't not, I I did not see that coming. 01:30:45.039 --> 01:30:50.720 They yeah, they're supposed to be like these teenage girls, and then they're just like a lot of them are naked. 01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:51.359 Yeah. 01:30:51.840 --> 01:30:52.159 Yeah. 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:54.239 And so for no apparent reason. 01:30:54.560 --> 01:30:55.359 For no real reason. 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.119 And so Ashley was just like, I don't know how I feel about this. 01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:01.520 And I was like, yeah, it is kind of problematic. 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:21.039 I mean, yeah, it was I'm not saying like, oh, it was a different time, but it is like the 70s, and it is within the horror genre, and there are expectations and tropes in the horror genre of like it's like what it what is it? 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:35.359 Like basically like skin and scares, you know, where it's blood and sex are kind of the horror genre expectations in a lot of ways, and a lot of movies. 01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:41.920 Like, you know, the movie that just came out, you know, Teenage Sex and Death at Can't Miasma. 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:43.439 I mean, that's literally it's the title. 01:31:44.399 --> 01:31:53.520 So it's like there's a certain expectation, and so this film kind of plays into those expectations, but it is weird in like watching it now. 01:31:53.600 --> 01:31:55.840 It is like these are teenage girls. 01:31:55.920 --> 01:31:57.600 I feel like we I don't know. 01:31:57.680 --> 01:32:02.479 There's it'll make you feel a type of way, you'll you'll feel pretty kind of weird watching it, yeah, yeah. 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:07.920 Yeah, so I there's also like an upskirt moment with the futons, yeah, yeah. 01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:26.560 With like a seating floor that's kind of cool at the beginning of the so it's like it is a really cool shot, but then in that context, but then when she gets over the camera and she's like you're seeing up her skirt, you're like, could could you have used like a different shot where we weren't directly underneath her? 01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:28.239 Yes, that's so true. 01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:29.119 Oh my god. 01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:40.800 Yeah, there are some moments, and it's good to note because yeah, it is it's just it's it is a bit like, oh, okay, I was not prepared to see this, and it does make you feel strange. 01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:48.640 But I think, yeah, you made excellent points of the expectations of the genre, specifically in the 70s. 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:55.199 Oh my god, and honestly, carrying on all through the 80s and 90s in US American movies. 01:32:55.520 --> 01:33:00.000 I'm not excusing it, I'm just talking about history, but we can explain it, yeah. 01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:06.880 History, exactly, and we can learn from the past so that we don't perpetuate those things in the future. 01:33:07.279 --> 01:33:13.840 Exactly, but we can bring back the 80s guys and crop tops. 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:16.319 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:17.439 I missed that. 01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:20.399 It never should have gone away, it should never have gone away. 01:33:20.640 --> 01:33:23.760 Yeah, yeah, that was that was silly. 01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.279 Bring back 80s guys and crop tops. 01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.479 That is the whole message of this episode. 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:32.399 That makes me think of adults. 01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:34.399 That episode where they're all wearing crop

tops. 01:33:34.640 --> 01:33:36.319 I need to watch the new season. 01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:40.479 I know I was not interested in watching it, and then I fell for the marketing. 01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:41.840 I was like, oh, this might be funny. 01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.640 And then Ashley and I binged both seasons. 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:45.840 It's so easy. 01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:49.359 I haven't watched the new season, but I know I'll probably finish it in like a day. 01:33:49.520 --> 01:33:51.760 But yeah, I it's so good. 01:33:52.000 --> 01:33:52.800 It's so good. 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:55.199 Yeah, it's such an easy watch, too. 01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:56.720 Like you just breeze through it. 01:33:56.960 --> 01:33:57.920 It's so funny. 01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:00.000 That first episode is so good. 01:34:00.239 --> 01:34:00.880 It is. 01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:02.800 Oh my god. 01:34:03.520 --> 01:34:04.159 Anyways, sorry. 01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:07.359 Anyway, I got distracted because that is a great fucking show. 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:08.960 And I love Paul Baker. 01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:10.960 I fucking love Paul Baker. 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:14.319 Paul Baker! Okay, obsessed with them. 01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:15.920 Oh my god. 01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:17.039 Oh my god, I'm so excited. 01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:18.720 I can't believe I haven't seen the second season. 01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:19.760 I'm so excited to watch it. 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:20.560 You're gonna love it. 01:34:20.640 --> 01:34:21.359 It's a great time. 01:34:21.439 --> 01:34:25.119 Um yay, I'm so relieved because I was like, it's either gonna hit or miss. 01:34:25.359 --> 01:34:28.319 No, they they build very, very well on it. 01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:29.840 Um it's a great time. 01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:34.159 And I'm trying to get a for the film that I'm producing right now, I'm trying to get a skeleton. 01:34:34.960 --> 01:34:40.000 But I kind of, since I'm the one getting the skeleton, I want to get it and name it Paul Baker. 01:34:40.239 --> 01:34:42.239 Oh my god, you have to. 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:46.479 You have to, and then people will be like, why, Jessica? 01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:52.079 I'm like, because it's Paul Baker! It's Paul Baker, he's beloved by many, by all. 01:34:54.640 --> 01:34:56.960 Oh my god, that is amazing. 01:34:57.119 --> 01:34:58.000 I can't wait for that. 01:34:58.079 --> 01:34:59.840 I hope it comes true for you. 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:04.399 Anyway, anyway, we're recording. 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:05.920 Yeah, oh my god. 01:35:07.039 --> 01:35:14.640 Okay, well, I guess well, any final thoughts on Hao Su or House? 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:21.039 I think that if you haven't seen it, you should see it. 01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:26.239 I will say watching it with others is a fantastic experience. 01:35:26.479 --> 01:35:32.239 So if you can get a group together, it's not as necessary as like with the room. 01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:34.560 Uh the room. 01:35:35.119 --> 01:35:40.159 If you watch that by yourself, you're just gonna be depressed in your apartment asking why you am I watching this. 01:35:40.319 --> 01:35:50.960 I am speaking from personal experience because I watched it by myself in my New York apartment, and I was like, I don't think this is how I was supposed to experience this film. 01:35:51.680 --> 01:35:56.800 So get get a group together, go see Hausu, especially if there's some repertory. 01:35:56.880 --> 01:35:58.560 Like, if you can see it in a theater. 01:35:58.960 --> 01:35:59.680 Oh god. 01:35:59.920 --> 01:36:00.640 Can you imagine? 01:36:00.800 --> 01:36:02.319 Have you seen it on the big screen? 01:36:02.560 --> 01:36:04.560 I haven't, but it's on my bucket list. 01:36:04.800 --> 01:36:06.000 I would love to. 01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:07.279 That would be amazing. 01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:09.359 I can't even oh my god, I can only imagine. 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:15.760 Not even just like seeing it on the big screen, but like with a crowd that appreciates it, would be so awesome. 01:36:16.079 --> 01:36:16.720 Yeah. 01:36:17.279 --> 01:36:18.399 Great shout. 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:26.319 I'm just I forgot to mention, I have one final thought, and that is Kung Fu is my new obsession, and I'm not talking about martial arts. 01:36:26.399 --> 01:36:29.119 I'm talking about Kung Fu in the movie. 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:34.479 I'm obsessed with her, she's my favorite character, and if you watch it, you will understand. 01:36:34.640 --> 01:36:37.920 So I'm I love how she has her own soundtrack. 01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:40.800 It's incredible. 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:43.359 And just like her whole energy. 01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:44.960 I'm like, I love her. 01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:46.800 She's so badass. 01:36:48.960 --> 01:36:49.840 She is. 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:58.880 I mean, she's yeah, she's they they named her Kung Fu for a reason, and she's just like so composed and also just super chill. 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:01.199 She's always like, I'll check it out, I'll see what's going on. 01:37:01.439 --> 01:37:05.600 It's like, oh, your friend died, and she's like, Don't worry, I got this. 01:37:07.359 --> 01:37:14.239 So may we all bring the energy of Kung Fu with us into situations to make us feel safe and secure. 01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:16.800 Safe, secure, empowered, strong. 01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:17.920 Yes, yeah. 01:37:18.079 --> 01:37:21.359 She's we're we're channeling, we're we're channeling her for this. 01:37:21.520 --> 01:37:23.600 So, anyways, check it out. 01:37:23.680 --> 01:37:25.760 Yeah, see if it's screening anywhere. 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:28.399 I think I watched this. 01:37:28.560 --> 01:37:29.840 Where did I watch this? 01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:31.520 Where did you watch this? 01:37:32.159 --> 01:37:34.159 I watched it on my Blu-ray spot. 01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:35.680 Lucky you. 01:37:35.920 --> 01:37:36.319 Lucky you. 01:37:36.560 --> 01:37:38.479 But I'm sure it's on the Criterion

channel. 01:37:38.640 --> 01:37:39.600 It yes, you're right. 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:43.680 It is, and I'm sure they have some awesome, like special features on there as well. 01:37:43.840 --> 01:37:46.239 I think I also, it's streaming on Max right now. 01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:48.560 So if you have that, you can check it out there. 01:37:48.800 --> 01:37:51.680 And let us know what you guys think of House. 01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:54.880 Well, man, that's a wrap. 01:37:54.960 --> 01:37:55.840 I'm sad it's over. 01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:57.680 We have I'm sad it's over too. 01:37:57.920 --> 01:38:05.199 Yeah, three amazing, three really fun horror movies to dive into, three deadly curses. 01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:07.760 Remind me again, we had your your list. 01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:13.119 It was viral the viral curse from the ring. 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:22.479 We had the moral curse from Drag Me to Hell, and then the evolving curse from House of Love it. 01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:24.399 We cover it all on here. 01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:40.319 Yeah, if you enjoyed this episode and you have other, maybe even like other curse horror movies you'd like us to talk about, like the runner up in the Instagram polls, it follows, or any other, you know, more maybe more underappreciated gems, let us know. 01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:46.479 Or if you simply have other themes or movies in mind that you want to hear us talk about, let us know. 01:38:46.640 --> 01:38:52.880 You can send us a text with the link in the episode description, or comment on our Instagram account at Gimme3 Podcast. 01:38:53.039 --> 01:38:57.760 That's just G-I-Dou-M-E-Spell Out Three Podcast. 01:38:58.000 --> 01:38:59.760 We appreciate all your support. 01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:14.880 And if you want to show even more support, three quick things that go a long way is one easiest and possibly most important is just to follow our show and even set our episodes to auto-download on Spotify or Apple Podcasts. 01:39:14.960 --> 01:39:16.640 This really helps boost it. 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:20.399 Two is subscribe to our Patreon for just$5 a month. 01:39:20.560 --> 01:39:26.640 We have some bonus content, or you know, subscribe for one month as a little donation to help us keep the mics on. 01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:35.840 Three is share our episode with your friends, family, or honestly, whenever you meet someone who loves movies, a quick little plug goes a long way. 01:39:36.479 --> 01:39:41.119 Jess, thank you so, so much for joining me on the show today. 01:39:41.359 --> 01:39:44.079 It is seriously always a pleasure. 01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:46.000 And it was so much fun. 01:39:46.239 --> 01:39:49.359 I wish we had all the time in the world. 01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:50.239 I know. 01:39:50.640 --> 01:39:51.760 Seriously. 01:39:53.359 --> 01:40:00.880 I know we could talk about we could we could probably drop like a 10-hour episode with no breaks. 01:40:02.239 --> 01:40:05.359 You can actually you can hear that on the Patreon. 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:12.319 No, but before we go, do you want to tell our lovely listeners one where they can find you on the socials? 01:40:12.399 --> 01:40:16.720 And also, yeah, if you have any project updates that you want to drop. 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:18.399 Oh, that's a good question. 01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:22.159 Uh well, I can be found on You don't have to. 01:40:23.840 --> 01:40:35.520 I can be found on the socials at the Ridge M C, which is T-H-E-O-R-I-G-M-C. 01:40:36.159 --> 01:40:43.359 And in ways of project updates, I have a short that is in post right now that we're working on. 01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:46.159 It's a queer horror short, so that's exciting. 01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:53.119 I did most likely won't be hitting festivals until the beginning of next year. 01:40:53.439 --> 01:41:00.079 And since it is the I can't believe it's already here, it's the beginning of October in a week. 01:41:00.319 --> 01:41:05.359 I should probably be on set for another horror short film that I'm producing. 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:08.880 So um that one will be a lot of fun. 01:41:08.960 --> 01:41:13.119 It's a horror comedy written by an amazing screenwriter. 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:18.239 Shout out to Mashielle Alcatani, directed by Frank Maldonado. 01:41:18.560 --> 01:41:24.319 And that's something that we'll probably also be you'll hear more about in the new year as well. 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:27.600 So lots of horror fun coming down the pike. 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:28.560 Perfect. 01:41:28.800 --> 01:41:35.039 Perfect time of year for it, and honestly, all year round, but you know how I get during spooky season. 01:41:37.279 --> 01:41:43.680 Anyways, thank you so much for joining us on the Gimme Three podcast, and we will see you at the movies.