النص الكامل لحلقة Remembering 9/11 - 25th Anniversary

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my whole life, except for when I was in college. 09:09.227 --> 09:14.750 [SPEAKER_01]: And my wife and I were in Brooklyn when the planes hit, we were actually, and I'm an actually, 09:15.410 --> 09:27.816 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to kind of give a little bit of background and then we're going to get my first gas, which I'm really excited about, but we were in New York during 9-11 and it was really one of those things where it was something you never forget. 09:27.976 --> 09:30.877 [SPEAKER_01]: 25 years of past, which is totally bananist to me. 09:31.217 --> 09:35.038 [SPEAKER_01]: that is something that I will never, never, never understand. 09:35.058 --> 09:36.059 [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like yesterday. 09:36.099 --> 09:38.820 [SPEAKER_01]: It was really right after with my wife and I got married. 09:40.180 --> 09:49.003 [SPEAKER_01]: It felt like it was right after a beat long, beautiful weekend and it was on it was on like a very crisp morning and I was in the restaurant business. 09:49.983 --> 09:58.328 [SPEAKER_01]: and my wife was in nursing school and we didn't have a lot of time together and I thought that I would drive her to work. 09:58.748 --> 10:07.332 [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of it was because I was working nights and she was working days and I had to get a car and I decided I would drive her to work and we turned the radio on. 10:08.993 --> 10:12.094 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a report on the radio about traffic. 10:12.114 --> 10:13.894 [SPEAKER_01]: It was kind of figure out which way to go. 10:13.974 --> 10:15.615 [SPEAKER_01]: She was working at Mount Sinai. 10:15.655 --> 10:21.156 [SPEAKER_01]: So I didn't know if I should go over the Brooklyn Bridge and go up the FDR, or maybe I should go BQE. 10:21.676 --> 10:23.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Head on over 59th Street Bridge, or whatever. 10:24.396 --> 10:26.197 [SPEAKER_01]: And I wanted to avoid all the traffic as possible. 10:26.217 --> 10:31.998 [SPEAKER_01]: And the first thing that came up was, and this is ladies and gentlemen, this is before, this is before ways. 10:32.018 --> 10:34.339 [SPEAKER_01]: This is before smartphones. 10:34.359 --> 10:36.179 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like you turn on 10 to 10 wins. 10:36.799 --> 10:42.743 [SPEAKER_01]: and you get a traffic report and they had a traffic report that said a small plane hit hit with a world trade center. 10:42.763 --> 10:48.728 [SPEAKER_01]: So I immediately was like, we're not going to take the, I'm not going to even attempt to go across the Brooklyn Bridge. 10:48.748 --> 10:49.828 [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a disaster. 10:49.868 --> 10:50.889 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't know the extent of it. 10:51.529 --> 10:56.033 [SPEAKER_01]: And by the time we got off on Atlantic Avenue, we went up the on ramp onto the BQE. 10:56.973 --> 11:01.357 [SPEAKER_01]: As soon as we got out of the BQE, we saw the smoke and this was more than just a small planet hit. 11:01.857 --> 11:08.942 [SPEAKER_01]: And then as we were looking as we got up on to the BQE, the second, we saw the second plane hit and we saw the explosion. 11:09.843 --> 11:14.306 [SPEAKER_01]: And the, I'll never forget the words that came out of my wife's mouth. 11:14.607 --> 11:15.627 [SPEAKER_01]: She, I was in the driver's seat. 11:15.647 --> 11:16.548 [SPEAKER_01]: She was in the passenger seat. 11:16.568 --> 11:19.310 [SPEAKER_01]: It's first thing she said was, oh my God, all those people. 11:20.131 --> 11:21.432 [SPEAKER_01]: All my God, all those people. 11:21.812 --> 11:22.012 [SPEAKER_01]: And... 11:23.133 --> 11:44.666 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm going to tell the rest of the story kind of towards the end, but it was one of the things in the history of being a New Yorker or being an American really where it was on, there was no words that could really describe the feeling of what it was like being a New York or even being an American at that time. 11:46.107 --> 11:48.989 [SPEAKER_01]: What I thought I would do is I'm going to give a couple 11:51.390 --> 11:53.072 [SPEAKER_01]: And listen to their experience. 11:53.292 --> 11:55.434 [SPEAKER_01]: The first friend is one of my oldest friends. 11:56.475 --> 11:58.717 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric Grant is my high school friend. 11:58.797 --> 12:01.139 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of my best friends these days. 12:01.159 --> 12:02.320 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to be these days. 12:02.360 --> 12:03.121 [SPEAKER_01]: He's one of my best friends. 12:03.261 --> 12:04.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially the last 10 years. 12:05.023 --> 12:07.826 [SPEAKER_01]: We've really become reconnected through social media. 12:07.886 --> 12:09.948 [SPEAKER_01]: And we go to Nick's game together, we're texting all the time. 12:10.528 --> 12:15.371 [SPEAKER_01]: This is a guy since I've known him who has been an upstanding person. 12:15.491 --> 12:23.277 [SPEAKER_01]: A really a person I look up to, a person that a friend, a dear friend, one of my best friends that I look to for advice. 12:23.997 --> 12:30.822 [SPEAKER_01]: I

appreciate the things that he says we both have kids around the same age and we're going to go through the same things that's kind of neat. 12:31.542 --> 12:33.663 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm really, really excited to speak to him. 12:33.683 --> 12:34.723 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to call him in a minute. 12:35.283 --> 12:40.524 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we're going to talk to my friend, Henrik Weston, who is another wonderful friend. 12:40.584 --> 12:42.044 [SPEAKER_01]: I've known him for a long, long time. 12:42.604 --> 12:46.325 [SPEAKER_01]: And we were together in the afternoon of 9-11. 12:46.525 --> 12:49.566 [SPEAKER_01]: He and his wife live close to me and my wife lived. 12:50.046 --> 12:54.727 [SPEAKER_01]: And we kind of reconnected after the tumult of the morning of September 11th. 12:55.507 --> 12:56.487 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm going to talk to him. 12:56.567 --> 13:08.331 [SPEAKER_01]: Another incredibly outstanding guy, another guy I look up to, another guy I take advice from, we're going to find that the big thing when we talk to Henrik is, is he still my attorney? 13:08.731 --> 13:15.694 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the real question, because he's been my like advisor in my attorney for a while, and we're going to find out if he's canned me or not. 13:16.294 --> 13:16.794 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 13:17.134 --> 13:17.594 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 13:17.614 --> 13:19.496 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't gotten bills lately. 13:19.896 --> 13:21.337 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not 100% sure. 13:21.457 --> 13:29.903 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm under the impression that I'm still in good standing with him, but we're going to find that's a very important question that I'm nervous about. 13:30.243 --> 13:35.827 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm nervous about whether he's cadmured, but that's for that's called a radio tease ladies and germs. 13:36.367 --> 13:37.727 [SPEAKER_01]: So where are we at on time? 13:37.747 --> 13:37.967 [SPEAKER_01]: All right. 13:37.987 --> 13:40.308 [SPEAKER_01]: So this is going to be a really interesting conversation. 13:40.328 --> 13:48.229 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really looking forward to speaking to my friend Eric and I'm going to get him on the phone now and let's see if we can get him. 13:54.511 --> 13:54.991 [UNKNOWN]: Hey, buddy. 13:55.571 --> 13:56.491 [SPEAKER_01]: Eric, good morning. 13:56.531 --> 13:57.031 [SPEAKER_01]: How are you? 13:57.671 --> 13:58.212 [UNKNOWN]: Good morning. 13:58.372 --> 13:58.572 [UNKNOWN]: Good. 13:58.592 --> 13:59.052 [UNKNOWN]: How are you? 13:59.192 --> 13:59.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Good. 13:59.512 --> 14:00.292 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show. 14:02.319 --> 14:02.980 [SPEAKER_01]: How are things? 14:03.200 --> 14:04.141 [SPEAKER_02]: How beyond work? 14:04.642 --> 14:05.142 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is good. 14:05.282 --> 14:06.103 [SPEAKER_02]: Everything is good. 14:06.123 --> 14:06.924 [UNKNOWN]: Everything is good. 14:07.205 --> 14:14.072 [SPEAKER_02]: I heard early start to the morning, so you know, I'm too coffee's in. 14:16.693 --> 14:19.195 [SPEAKER_01]: PS, the best coffee's in the game. 14:19.616 --> 14:26.021 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I was, you were so generous enough to let me stay with you during the York City Marathon. 14:26.822 --> 14:28.824 [SPEAKER_01]: And you cooked up a storm. 14:28.844 --> 14:38.012 [SPEAKER_01]: You're unbelievable cooked, but the next morning, the morning before I got it, the morning before, you blasted me with the greatest coffee in the game. 14:38.433 --> 14:43.017 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't think I would have been able to complete the New York City Marathon if it wasn't for that coffee. 14:45.094 --> 14:46.918 [SPEAKER_02]: you all in the morning without question. 14:47.138 --> 14:51.687 [SPEAKER_02]: And it was my honor and pleasure to have you in front of the barracks on. 14:51.727 --> 14:53.250 [SPEAKER_02]: I think you should run again this year. 14:57.068 --> 14:59.849 [SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather spend the night in your house and not have to do the bear thought frankly. 15:00.329 --> 15:11.931 [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think my favorite part of the videos from that you took of me at the marathon was me hanging, pretending I was hanging from a new swimmer you had me on the first avenue. 15:12.592 --> 15:15.392 [SPEAKER_01]: I was at at it when I saw you, but it was so great to see you. 15:15.792 --> 15:16.933 [SPEAKER_02]: I was just staring great. 15:17.073 --> 15:17.873 [SPEAKER_02]: You did great. 15:17.913 --> 15:19.773 [SPEAKER_02]: You were doing great there too, man. 15:19.813 --> 15:22.854 [SPEAKER_02]: That's like one of the adrenaline rush on you. 15:24.683 --> 15:26.948 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, that's part of being a New Yorker. 15:26.968 --> 15:31.498 [SPEAKER_01]: And that totally, it's what makes New York great. 15:32.360 --> 15:54.775 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been, it was interesting, you know, talking to you about your father, your father, used to run the New York City Marathon, and hearing the stories that you used to say, you told about him, and what's interesting is, is if you think about the history of New York and the little cultural moments of New York, the New York City Marathon, in my opinion, is probably one of the greatest events as a city that there is, you know? 15:55.135 --> 15:55.775 [SPEAKER_02]: up. 15:55.915 --> 15:56.756 [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with you. 15:56.796 --> 15:58.437 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it brings everyone together. 15:58.457 --> 16:00.017 [SPEAKER_02]: It brings out the best in everyone. 16:00.397 --> 16:08.601 [SPEAKER_02]: People are out there rooting people on, you know, and like they're not just cheering for the guys in the front of the pack or the women in the front of the pack. 16:08.621 --> 16:09.842 [SPEAKER_02]: They're rooting for everyone. 16:11.002 --> 16:13.405 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty powerful experience. 16:13.446 --> 16:27.404 [SPEAKER_02]: The energy is just amazing, and people are just so kind, that I think New Yorkers get an incredibly bad rap in general as being cold

and mean, but, you know, come to New York on Marathon Day. 16:27.424 --> 16:27.925 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll see. 16:28.145 --> 16:28.265 [SPEAKER_02]: You'll 16:30.300 --> 16:53.882 [SPEAKER_01]: I almost also think that social media is making people even better because now they want to have great better signs and there was a guy handing out cigarettes and shots and beer and it was like there was like a lot of like you almost feel like they were hamming it up a little bit more because of the opportunities for this kind of social media thing but it didn't diminish it only you know made the event much more of a spectacle 16:54.849 --> 16:56.370 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, count the totalling. 16:56.430 --> 17:05.417 [SPEAKER_02]: I think social media is definitely helped the outlook of New Yorkers and various events and places, you know, question. 17:05.657 --> 17:08.860 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of those things, it's such a sharp contrast. 17:08.920 --> 17:12.222 [SPEAKER_01]: And you and I, I was kind of saying that you and I went to high school together. 17:12.483 --> 17:14.484 [SPEAKER_01]: I consider you one of my oldest best friends. 17:15.285 --> 17:17.326 [SPEAKER_01]: And not all this isn't your old. 17:17.346 --> 17:18.427 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know that. 17:19.608 --> 17:34.833 [SPEAKER_01]: We've talked now that we're both on the old side, but at the same time it's like you're I consider you one of my best friends and you know We've been together for a long time you know me when we were like what we were 15 16 something like that and There's such a there's almost like this 17:35.903 --> 17:44.331 [SPEAKER_01]: There's almost like a bond with people, especially of our age, who are in or around or new things during September 11th. 17:44.391 --> 17:54.682 [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that this is now the 25th anniversary, which is completely mind-boggling, that this is the 25th anniversary of September 11th. 17:54.702 --> 17:55.542 [SPEAKER_01]: And I just kind of wanted to, 17:56.363 --> 18:06.104 [SPEAKER_01]: hear your story in regards to, you know, I know that you and your dad were very involved with people and at the Trade Center and I just thought I'd, we could just tell your story. 18:06.905 --> 18:09.287 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, appreciate it. 18:09.447 --> 18:12.569 [SPEAKER_02]: Yes, and I feel the same about you, buddy. 18:13.410 --> 18:26.260 [SPEAKER_02]: So as you kind of referenced, I'm born and raised in New Yorker, lived here for 25 years, and I moved to the West Coast in 2000 with my wife. 18:29.663 --> 18:32.785 [SPEAKER_02]: September 11th happened when I was in San Francisco, 18:38.998 --> 18:52.633 [SPEAKER_02]: There was a real feeling of disconnect for me, not being in my own town when, you know, like the worst day, potentially in the history of the United States, as far as an event is concerned happened. 18:53.994 --> 18:56.177 [SPEAKER_02]: It was really strange. 18:56.197 --> 18:59.060 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a call from a friend

of mine from college. 19:00.068 --> 19:05.573 [SPEAKER_02]: And he said, Eric, can you work in a midtown office building in a very high floor? 19:06.153 --> 19:10.457 [SPEAKER_02]: He said to me, I just saw a plane hit the World Trade Center. 19:11.317 --> 19:15.441 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, he's just one of those friends where it's like, you saw what? 19:15.501 --> 19:17.142 [SPEAKER_02]: What are you talking about? 19:17.162 --> 19:19.204 [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you know, unbelievable. 19:19.844 --> 19:23.047 [SPEAKER_02]: He's like, Eric, I'm telling you, it was a commercial plane. 19:23.068 --> 19:25.530 [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, Adam, it couldn't be a commercial plane. 19:25.550 --> 19:27.692 [SPEAKER_02]: It must have been like a SESNO or something. 19:27.732 --> 19:31.616 [SPEAKER_02]: How does the commercial plane fly into the World Trade Center? 19:31.656 --> 19:34.599 [SPEAKER_02]: So like, immediately, I'm in disbelief. 19:35.240 --> 19:41.727 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, like kind of disbelieving one of my good friends from college, um, 19:42.835 --> 20:00.682 [SPEAKER_02]: slash roommate that like he doesn't have the story right because it just seemed unbelievable and you know loan behold you turned you looked at the TV and and you know if he was right it was real that was real pretty quickly um so 20:01.608 --> 20:23.387 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, some background, I'm in finance as you know, and we had multiple bond brokers, which are intermediaries for various banks that we help us buy and sell bonds if we couldn't find a client to do it, another bank would 20:24.707 --> 20:25.970 [SPEAKER_02]: be the other side of the trade. 20:26.852 --> 20:32.346 [SPEAKER_02]: So various firms, including canterfits Gerald were in the world trade center. 20:33.340 --> 20:38.525 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so there were four guys at Canter that traded convertible bonds. 20:39.146 --> 20:39.866 [SPEAKER_02]: It was Vinny. 20:40.547 --> 20:44.711 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, Ed, his nickname was Big Ed Carl and Bobby. 20:45.472 --> 20:52.438 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, I knew those guys for while I knew Carl a little bit better through my father. 20:53.259 --> 20:58.344 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and, you know, very kind of 20:59.887 --> 21:07.289 [SPEAKER_02]: Serial story was on September 10th after the close of the New York Stock Exchange or just 4 p.m. 21:07.529 --> 21:08.749 [SPEAKER_02]: I got a call from Carl. 21:10.389 --> 21:13.610 [SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, started off, hey, how you doing? 21:14.030 --> 21:14.770 [SPEAKER_02]: How's your wife? 21:14.810 --> 21:15.910 [SPEAKER_02]: How's California? 21:16.890 --> 21:18.651 [SPEAKER_02]: Good, how are your kids, Carl? 21:18.691 --> 21:19.291 [SPEAKER_02]: How's things? 21:19.311 --> 21:20.151 [SPEAKER_02]: How's your wife? 21:20.191 --> 21:21.351 [SPEAKER_02]: We talked for a little bit. 21:22.051 --> 21:25.872 [SPEAKER_02]: And then he said to me, you know, we haven't lined up business-wise in a little while. 21:26.472 --> 21:29.613

[SPEAKER_02]: And, like, yeah, we haven't. 21:31.619 --> 21:36.443 [SPEAKER_02]: purpose or reason behind that, um, God, and I don't know what's going on. 21:36.483 --> 21:36.804 [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry. 21:36.844 --> 21:39.546 [SPEAKER_02]: Let's, let's figure this out tomorrow morning. 21:40.167 --> 21:44.651 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, he said, yeah, like, let's talk first thing morning. 21:44.671 --> 21:45.131 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get it. 21:45.331 --> 21:46.072 [SPEAKER_02]: We'll get it going. 21:47.313 --> 21:54.339 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, you know, that was the last time I spoke to Carl was the night of, you know, September 10th, 2001. 21:54.640 --> 21:54.820 [SPEAKER_00]: Um, 21:58.176 --> 22:05.760 [SPEAKER_02]: So the next morning, you know, going back to the 11th, I'm in the office, I'm in San Francisco. 22:05.780 --> 22:08.501 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's five something in the morning. 22:09.501 --> 22:12.383 [SPEAKER_02]: And the first point, one, the first plane hit. 22:13.445 --> 22:18.549 [SPEAKER_02]: I have this phone turret with hundreds of direct wires on it. 22:18.569 --> 22:19.990 [SPEAKER_02]: So you don't have to dial a number. 22:20.010 --> 22:23.312 [SPEAKER_02]: You just press a button and it rings to the other side. 22:24.913 --> 22:27.835 [SPEAKER_02]: My phone board lit up like a Christmas tree. 22:29.836 --> 22:39.483 [SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't know this at the time, but there was a switching station for those of us that are older, before cell phone days, you know, everything else. 22:40.084 --> 22:41.244 [SPEAKER_02]: generally landline. 22:42.245 --> 22:46.066 [SPEAKER_02]: And one of the lights that rain was carouselites, then I went to pick it up. 22:46.146 --> 22:48.267 [SPEAKER_02]: And obviously there was nothing there. 22:48.307 --> 22:57.730 [SPEAKER_02]: And clearly, you know, it had to do with had to do with hitting the tower, the first plane hitting the tower. 22:59.690 --> 23:02.111 [SPEAKER_02]: I had friends in tower one 23:10.597 --> 23:26.247 [SPEAKER_02]: I couldn't get in touch with certain people because, again, it was before iPhones and text messaging and all that other kind of stuff and also just like landlines just being busy not being able to get through. 23:27.358 --> 23:54.172 [SPEAKER_02]: Um, so there were a lot of people missing, uh, the, where I should say that I couldn't account for for a period of time, uh, fortunately, most of them were alive, um, I had one friend that worked in the second tower, and his floor was kind of u-shaped, um, and basically, he was on the side and saw the first plane get struck. 23:56.169 --> 24:07.594 [SPEAKER_02]: and he ran to the other side of the floor and told everybody we need to get the heck out of here and everybody said the intercom's telling us to stay while you panicking. 24:08.174 --> 24:17.378 [SPEAKER_02]: So basically, everyone on my friend side of the floor who saw the plane hit the first tower, left, 24:18.249 --> 24:46.138 [SPEAKER_02]: And survived

and everyone on the other side of the floor that didn't see it and he did the, you know, like, intercom, like, just stay put, all those people basically perished, um, so like a lot of survivors guilt for my friend for a while, um, I did get a call from someone I used to work with on the floor, the New York Stock Exchange. 24:47.050 --> 24:49.251 [SPEAKER_02]: and she was panicking. 24:49.311 --> 24:58.275 [SPEAKER_02]: This is after plain one and two hit and she was telling me what should I do and I said, just walk over to the fairy. 24:59.583 --> 25:01.945 [SPEAKER_02]: get on the fair issue, she lived in Jersey. 25:02.426 --> 25:26.467 [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm like, get the heck out of there and just go home and have someone pick you up from the fair eternal, because I just, there was a sense of like, get the hell out of there because you didn't know what else was going to happen at that point in time and just airing on the side of caution, was one of those things that, you know, 25:27.578 --> 25:50.607 [SPEAKER_02]: I felt was prudent, and Jeff, if I could tell you word for word, everything she was describing to me, there were bodies all over the street, she did see people jumping, it was, I mean, 25:55.189 --> 26:11.280 [SPEAKER_02]: one of the hardest phone calls to listen to and know what she was trying to navigate and get through and I talked to her all the way until she got to the ferry and then I knew she was on the ferry and I knew she'd be okay. 26:11.300 --> 26:20.866 [SPEAKER_02]: I told her a lot of color dad, you know, I said having pick you up at the ferry or, you know, call me back if you didn't get in touch with them, we'll figure something else out. 26:21.986 --> 26:36.571 [SPEAKER_02]: So, you know, I mean, there's that aspect as a kid from a personal standpoint, I like I went to the firehouse that was around the corner from our apartment building. 26:37.491 --> 26:40.372 [SPEAKER_02]: There was one on 85th between Lex and third. 26:40.973 --> 26:50.936 [SPEAKER_02]: It was engine 22 at or 13 and, you know, all the fire departments that, you know, you can think of that they, they came. 26:51.755 --> 27:00.101 [SPEAKER_02]: to the scene that day from other areas whether it was Queens or the Bronx or Brooklyn or people from Jersey. 27:01.281 --> 27:06.205 [SPEAKER_02]: These guys are all the way up on 85th Street and they lost like eight or 10 guys that day. 27:06.225 --> 27:14.030 [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like, it just, there were so many points for me that were, 27:15.429 --> 27:41.286 [SPEAKER_02]: So real in my life that the devastation, the senseless murdering of people just leave some mark on you, and these four families, for a canterfits child, they lost husband's 27:43.168 --> 27:55.098 [SPEAKER_02]: sons, um, and, uh, you know, my dad, who you know is the absolute man is one of the greatest people on the earth. 27:55.278 --> 28:01.743 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the scariest guys I know by the way, scared the living shit out of me as a kid by the way, fine. 28:02.384 --> 28:06.147 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, you know, like, yes, that's during the side, but, um, 28:10.648 --> 28:13.369 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I know, that's probably where you get it from, the toughness. 28:13.529 --> 28:13.909 [SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead. 28:14.689 --> 28:30.154 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he started a charitable trust for these families, and then our small community, I treat convertible bonds so that the convertible bond community, you know, all donated money into this charitable trust or put money. 28:30.174 --> 28:35.976 [SPEAKER_02]: It wasn't like a tax deductible situation, but money into this charitable trust to help the families, 28:40.976 --> 28:59.350 [SPEAKER_02]: trying to figure out, you know, a lot of different things financially for their families, whether it was, you know, are they going to be able to collect insurance money, or some of the 9-11 money, you know, these people were in a lurch. 28:59.570 --> 29:07.156 [SPEAKER_02]: And my dad just did an amazing job in reaching out to all these families and making sure that they were 29:09.496 --> 29:30.708 [SPEAKER_02]: taking care of, and there was a bridge to whenever the rest of the funding would come to them at some point in time, you know, as you can imagine, you know, there was also a lot of need for, you know, medical-related stuff, whether it was therapy. 29:35.228 --> 29:39.411 [SPEAKER_02]: that they went through was just so traumatic. 29:39.891 --> 29:53.901 [SPEAKER_02]: And he was a real rock in our community, and she'd really like to step up, and did some really amazing things to help people out when they need that, which goes back to New York. 29:54.942 --> 30:02.787 [SPEAKER_02]: And you know, like, I don't know if you felt this way, but growing up, I always felt like a New Yorker, 30:03.843 --> 30:07.226 [SPEAKER_02]: would always jump in when they saw someone in need. 30:07.546 --> 30:19.035 [SPEAKER_02]: Like if someone was being harassed or somebody fell on the street, like guys would jump out of their trucks or people would run out of a store and help somebody out. 30:19.135 --> 30:29.503 [SPEAKER_02]: Like it was always one of those things where, you know, the 80s were a little rough and tumble, but if your back was up against the wall, people would rally and help you out. 30:29.843 --> 30:30.464 [SPEAKER_02]: And, uh, 30:31.044 --> 30:40.509 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think we're losing that as a city and it's really sad to see that because that was the wonderful part of New York. 30:42.270 --> 30:52.816 [SPEAKER_02]: And I think the worst thing the history of the US or New York or in our lives, however you want to describe it, there are a lot of heroes that they. 30:59.696 --> 31:24.396 [SPEAKER_02]: basketball next fans and we talk about heroes that triple a ball or plan a field or whatever, but to see video to look at pictures of FDNY and YPD port authority, EMS and whatever other group I'm missing not missing purposely.

31:24.436 --> 31:25.657 [SPEAKER_02]: No, of course. 31:26.238 --> 31:27.659 [SPEAKER_02]: Run into a building. 31:29.332 --> 31:53.162 [SPEAKER_02]: When everyone else is running out is just pretty powerful, and I think that, you know, we are now at 25 years tomorrow, and it feels like we're starting to lose that memory a little bit. 31:53.202 --> 31:53.362 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 31:54.378 --> 31:59.323 [SPEAKER_02]: And I will never forget was that slowing the came out of that time. 32:01.625 --> 32:10.853 [SPEAKER_02]: And I just really hope that we look at this 25 years and kind of come back to two things. 32:10.913 --> 32:19.421 [SPEAKER_02]: I hope we come back to remembering how brave a lot of people were on that day. 32:19.441 --> 32:19.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 32:20.745 --> 32:23.408 [SPEAKER_02]: And then also, I hope we also get back. 32:23.468 --> 32:27.892 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't care what side of the political spectrum you're on left, right, in the middle. 32:28.833 --> 32:30.535 [SPEAKER_02]: I just hope we come back together. 32:31.015 --> 32:43.748 [SPEAKER_02]: Me too, as a country, as people, because the device, the divide between sides just seems to get further and further away from each other. 32:45.958 --> 32:56.587 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, on the worst day, it didn't matter what you look like who you prayed to and what group of people you saw yourself with. 32:57.708 --> 33:12.702 [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody was one at that point in time and we've lost a big part of that and I hope on the Memorance tomorrow that we also put in our mind that we remember. 33:13.679 --> 33:18.862 [SPEAKER_02]: how we acted towards each other and see if we could get back to that point. 33:18.902 --> 33:22.104 [SPEAKER_02]: I never want another event like that to ever happen again. 33:23.025 --> 33:31.950 [SPEAKER_02]: But I certainly would love to see us unite more so then we have in the past 10 years. 33:34.193 --> 33:41.055 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just strange, you know, I was kind of before you came on. 33:41.095 --> 33:47.616 [SPEAKER_01]: I was talking about, you know, I was driving Hilary to driving Hilary to her. 33:47.656 --> 33:52.297 [SPEAKER_01]: She was a nursing student about Sinai and we heard, we were in the car. 33:52.397 --> 33:54.418 [SPEAKER_01]: I was driving her because I was working for a bar. 33:54.438 --> 33:57.118 [SPEAKER_01]: So I was at a restaurant and I wasn't, you know, working the morning. 33:57.138 --> 33:59.319 [SPEAKER_01]: So I thought I'd drive her and we heard on 10, 10 wins that. 33:59.759 --> 34:13.227 [SPEAKER_01]: a small plane hit the trade tower, and I decided to not take the Brooklyn Bridge CFDR decided to go up onto the BQE and we got onto the BQE, we saw the first explosion and then we saw the second explosion. 34:14.388 --> 34:22.713 [SPEAKER_01]: Once we got onto the BQE which was like, I mean it's still to this day, I mean I can't get, I can't go about listening to it or thinking about it without getting goosebumps. 34:23.994 --> 34:34.261 [SPEAKER_01]: The craziest thing is, and I always, to that still to this day, it was the worst day of my life, in terms of just like the Odyssey of it all, and the trials and tribulations. 34:34.622 --> 34:41.307 [SPEAKER_01]: But there was, like you said, there was this incredible resilience from New Yorkers. 34:42.127 --> 34:56.830 [SPEAKER_01]: And I like to talk about the, I remember when the Yankees came back, you know, and that was, that was almost like the, that was the television version of everything's going to be okay because it was such a rally and it was this incredible moment. 34:56.870 --> 35:07.452 [SPEAKER_01]: But what I, what I think about a lot is especially, you know, every year I always do something about 9-11 and it's, to me, especially the podcasting, it's the concept of the oral tradition. 35:07.952 --> 35:11.113 [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel as though it's so important to just 35:12.433 --> 35:36.592 [SPEAKER_01]: you know, just talk about it and because it is such a huge part of who we are as Americans and I think sometimes like similar to what you were saying with people forget and a lot of it's just because it's just the amnesia of time, you know, generations I talked to young knife makers with full beards and then they when they find out that I was in 911 they said I was in you know kindergarten. 35:36.992 --> 36:03.159 [SPEAKER_01]: you know and it's this it's this amnesia of time and I feel as though you're 100% right there we're in this position where we're not together and it was this moment where we were just so supportive of I remember at the time I was working for Charlie Palmer and I was running one of his restaurants and right after 9-11 he said to me any police officer firefighter anybody any frontline worker anybody who comes any 36:06.640 --> 36:26.693 [SPEAKER_01]: And so we would, you know, we would, I mean, that was just like, I don't want to hear about you giving a bill to a cop or or to a firefighter anybody and it was one of these moments of, you know, this incredible moment of thanks and the other thing is is once we moved up to your to peak skill, it was like a huge on clay of a firefighters. 36:27.733 --> 36:30.434 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're talking three years after 9.11. 36:31.114 --> 36:40.118 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a huge on-clave of New York City firefighters, even they work three days a week, or they work three, they do a tour, and then they'll sleep at the Firehouse for three days, and they'll come back up to it. 36:40.638 --> 36:42.259 [SPEAKER_01]: There was such a level of... 36:43.359 --> 36:50.323 [SPEAKER_01]: Sadness with a lot of these guys who would survive would survived You know, they worked in satin. 36:50.383 --> 36:50.884 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 36:50.924 --> 37:11.977 [SPEAKER_01]: I knew I know my neighbor was a firefighter and in Harlem And he used he had to go he went down to the down to the pit and he did he was there and There was 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incredible sadness and it's something that I don't think that Most people will ever Comprehend especially now 37:13.109 --> 37:17.150 [SPEAKER_02]: No, I think you're right, time creates amnesia. 37:17.610 --> 37:35.455 [SPEAKER_02]: And then you look at other awful events, whether it was like D-Day or Pearl Harbor and as we get further away from there and then new generations come in and we lose some of the people that were in the battle of those moments, 37:36.055 --> 37:37.419 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, those start to twindle. 37:37.920 --> 37:38.341 [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know. 37:38.382 --> 37:42.633 [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like I read something where, you know, the last person that 37:44.112 --> 38:07.866 [SPEAKER_02]: walked on the beach on D-Day from the U.S. as a soldier, you know, passed away recently, you know, so it's like those pieces of history crumble and I think thankfully due to technology, we should be able to do a better job in, you know, holding onto those memories because we can record them and keep them digitally as memories. 38:08.346 --> 38:09.947 [SPEAKER_02]: And we certainly have a lot of 38:10.687 --> 38:26.393 [SPEAKER_02]: footage from that day, I mean, you know, the Instagram alco has grabbed me and the amount of 911 footage I've seen that I've either seen a million times or 38:27.635 --> 38:53.339 [SPEAKER_02]: It's the first time I've seen it's bringing back a lot of memories of that day and again I just want to go back to the fact that there were a lot of incredible acts of heroin with some that day and I don't want to for myself ever let that slip out of my memory. 38:56.960 --> 39:20.580 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I've had that ingrained in my brain that like there's there's so many people that we are so grateful for that are no longer here that acted so bravely on that day because man he just looked at that footage of those firefighters. 39:21.392 --> 39:36.484 [SPEAKER_02]: walking up to the trade center when she's just going down and saying he don't look on their faces and going that they're probably, this is the last moments of their lives on this earth. 39:37.465 --> 39:38.406 [SPEAKER_02]: It's pretty powerful. 39:39.166 --> 39:40.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Have you been to the 9-11 museum? 39:42.209 --> 39:44.991 [SPEAKER_02]: I have, you know, I've worked downtown. 39:45.011 --> 39:48.794 [SPEAKER_02]: I went to the museum not too long after it was open. 39:52.312 --> 39:53.852 [SPEAKER_02]: The memorial. 39:54.553 --> 39:56.333 [SPEAKER_02]: It's a pretty incredible memorial. 39:56.993 --> 39:58.613 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll tell you one other quick story. 39:58.653 --> 40:20.378 [SPEAKER_02]: I was in New York with my daughter when we were living in California and we walked to the memorial and she took me over to where the plaques are and I don't want to call it a fountain, but it's kind of like a waterfall with that going into that at this and she pulled me forward at this one spot. 40:21.660 --> 40:40.277 [SPEAKER_02]: And walked me right in front of where my friends names were on the platform and it was completely random, completely random, like not planned out, she didn't look at a map, had no idea we walked over in front of me were the names of my four friends. 40:44.714 --> 40:45.335 [SPEAKER_01]: unbelievable. 40:46.075 --> 40:46.796 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't been there. 40:47.096 --> 40:53.163 [SPEAKER_01]: I haven't, Hillary's gone down there, but I haven't been there, so maybe maybe I could meet you and we could go down together. 40:54.684 --> 40:57.227 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would absolutely go with you. 40:57.507 --> 40:58.508 [SPEAKER_02]: It is, um, me. 41:00.412 --> 41:10.958 [SPEAKER_02]: You know, it is something that I think anyone from the historical standpoint, when they're in New York, if they have time to go, should go, it is very heavy. 41:11.418 --> 41:12.039 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 41:12.639 --> 41:16.381 [SPEAKER_02]: And I will say, it's incredibly well done. 41:17.121 --> 41:17.782 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, just, 41:18.703 --> 41:31.114 [SPEAKER_02]: some of those fire trucks that they brought down in there that were mangled, and the respectful way they put up people's names and photos and memories in their voices. 41:31.134 --> 41:37.480 [SPEAKER_02]: It's so well done for such a tragic event. 41:37.960 --> 41:44.006 [SPEAKER_02]: My hats off to the memorial and the people that curated everything 41:45.845 --> 41:57.553 [SPEAKER_01]: I got a, I have been avoiding it for the past 25 years and a lot of it's just because I, you know, I just have, you know, I got to get past it and I got to get down there and hopefully, you know, I can go with you. 41:58.574 --> 41:59.514 [SPEAKER_02]: I'll go with you brother. 41:59.574 --> 42:06.139 [SPEAKER_01]: Because we're never going to get nicks tickets again, so we went where we could afford good. 42:06.699 --> 42:06.919 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:07.360 --> 42:07.660 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 42:08.060 --> 42:10.462 [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, we're never going to another nicks game again. 42:11.883 --> 42:13.664 [SPEAKER_02]: We definitely have time on my hands. 42:13.764 --> 42:15.365 [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be happy to go with you any time. 42:16.535 --> 42:35.935 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you are the man, I cannot thank you enough, you are just, you are such a strong and just wonderful human being and I'm so grateful for the, that we reconnected a number of years ago and, you know, I really look up to you as a, as a, as a person as a father as a, as a, as a man and, and I'm just grateful that. 42:36.415 --> 42:37.835 [SPEAKER_01]: You're an advisor too. 42:38.215 --> 42:41.936 [SPEAKER_01]: You've really become, you know, like my economic advisor. 42:42.156 --> 42:44.817 [SPEAKER_01]: If so, will never fade or knives has like a board of directors. 42:44.837 --> 42:48.477 [SPEAKER_01]: Your first ballot, you know, first ballot in, you know? 42:49.318 --> 42:50.218 [SPEAKER_02]: You're like my brother. 42:50.458 --> 42:54.459

[SPEAKER_02]: So, I do anything for you, Paul, and the feelings mutual. 42:54.939 --> 43:01.000 [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate you, including me on this conversation about this day. 43:03.612 --> 43:19.624 [SPEAKER_02]: I can't thank you enough, and again, you know, to all your listeners, I really hope that tomorrow is a day, we can all just take a moment and just be a little kinder, be a little deeper, and be a little more loving to each other. 43:21.185 --> 43:22.946 [SPEAKER_02]: So thank you for having me on. 43:23.046 --> 43:29.051 [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you for keeping the memory of all these people alive that we lost. 43:29.531 --> 43:30.672 [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's really meaningful. 43:32.321 --> 43:33.962 [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, you're my guy. 43:34.082 --> 43:34.702 [SPEAKER_01]: You're my guy. 43:35.043 --> 43:37.704 [SPEAKER_01]: I just can't thank you enough for being on here until I think you're sorry. 43:38.264 --> 43:42.027 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just, you're just, you know, everything here, everything and more. 43:42.867 --> 43:47.049 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I'm gonna get, I'll call you later and thank you so much for being on. 43:47.170 --> 43:48.490 [SPEAKER_01]: I just cannot thank you enough. 43:49.751 --> 43:51.412 [SPEAKER_02]: Felix, be a children brother. 43:51.492 --> 43:52.433 [SPEAKER_02]: Go have a great day. 43:52.473 --> 43:55.354 [SPEAKER_02]: You seem like a rest of your podcast, okay? 43:55.414 --> 43:56.335 [SPEAKER_01]: You're in the, you're in the man. 43:56.355 --> 43:57.035 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk to you later. 43:57.595 --> 43:58.216 [SPEAKER_01]: You're in the man. 43:58.236 --> 43:58.716 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye, bro. 43:58.796 --> 43:59.076 [SPEAKER_01]: Bye, bye. 44:00.697 --> 44:16.764 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow, God, I tell you what, I tell you what, I can't ever, it's some of this stuff is so hard to, hard to forget and when you hear it again and you hear these stories, it just, it brings you right back. 44:17.124 --> 44:25.567 [SPEAKER_01]: I've got goosebumps, every word that came out of Eric's mouth, I just had total goosebumps and it's such a, 44:27.389 --> 44:35.618 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a feeling that you can't get a past, you know, it's just one of these things, especially the most amazing part is the bravery of New Yorkers. 44:36.259 --> 44:38.101 [SPEAKER_01]: On that day, it was their selfless. 44:38.241 --> 44:39.963 [SPEAKER_01]: They were selfless, and 44:42.507 --> 45:02.895 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, every year it's always hard to come to this day and I've said it a million times that it was even with the death of my father, which was bad and the death of my sister, which was bad, 9-11 is like something completely different. 45:03.195 --> 45:06.876 [SPEAKER_01]: It's just that it was the, I say it's the worst, it was the worst day of my life. 45:08.557 --> 45:18.579 [SPEAKER_01]: just to kind of now we're going to be getting Henrik on soon, but many thanks to Eric, Eric is my guy, Eric Grant,

my guy, and he's the guy I go to. 45:18.599 --> 45:21.460 [SPEAKER_01]: I used to go to Nick's games, where they ain't going to go to Nick's games no more. 45:21.520 --> 45:22.280 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's too good. 45:22.300 --> 45:25.621 [SPEAKER_01]: The prices, we've been going to Nick's games in the prices every year. 45:25.961 --> 45:27.481 [SPEAKER_01]: They get a harder and harder to get into. 45:27.501 --> 45:30.822 [SPEAKER_01]: And now we're just like, you know, on the Nick's won the championship and that's it. 45:31.022 --> 45:32.042 [SPEAKER_01]: And we're going to watch you from TV. 45:32.062 --> 45:34.143 [SPEAKER_01]: We're going to watch you from home and text each other, I guess. 45:35.050 --> 45:52.623 [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, so on 9-11, month 9-11, I was saying that we got on to the, so I was driving Hillary to her student, she was a student at Mount Sinai, she was a Columbia nursing student, so we're gonna drive her there. 45:53.203 --> 45:58.085 [SPEAKER_01]: We decided to take the BQE and we saw the second plane hit. 45:58.125 --> 46:04.468 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw the first the explosion and then we saw the second plane hit and then the city stood still. 46:04.728 --> 46:05.509 [SPEAKER_01]: Couldn't even drive. 46:05.549 --> 46:09.430 [SPEAKER_01]: People were just stopped on the BQE, it was just, it was out of a movie. 46:09.450 --> 46:13.712 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just unbelievable, wasn't a believable vision. 46:14.332 --> 46:18.454 [SPEAKER_01]: To the point where I can't even look at newspaper articles with they have a picture of 9-11. 46:18.494 --> 46:21.115 [SPEAKER_01]: I can't, I can't look at it at all. 46:21.155 --> 46:22.096 [SPEAKER_01]: It's really one of those things. 46:23.372 --> 46:33.076 [SPEAKER_01]: So we finally got my car to my shop, and then which was a couple miles away from our house, and then I parked at our, my, where my shop was in Green Point. 46:33.116 --> 46:36.877 [SPEAKER_01]: We walked, and we walked through Green Point. 46:36.897 --> 46:37.837 [SPEAKER_01]: People were crazy. 46:37.937 --> 46:45.840 [SPEAKER_01]: At one point, we had a big cell phone, and I was, Hillary was calling her mother, and then strangers are coming up to us, and saying, what are they saying? 46:45.900 --> 46:46.560 [SPEAKER_01]: What are they saying? 46:46.580 --> 46:47.761 [SPEAKER_01]: Looking for information? 46:47.781 --> 46:50.182 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just total pandemonium, you just don't know. 46:50.882 --> 46:58.083 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw the tower's fall for my studio, there's a dock, a Newton's Creek, and we saw the planes. 46:58.464 --> 47:03.845 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw the buildings collapse, and then we started walking home, and it was like the Odyssey. 47:05.105 --> 47:14.767 [SPEAKER_01]: We walked, we walked past an armored car, an armored car facility, and there were like probably 40 guys all wearing bulletproof vest and shotguns. 47:15.627 --> 47:21.090 [SPEAKER_01]: making a perimeter on the inside of the chain link fence protecting the area that didn't know what was going on. 47:21.690 --> 47:28.274 [SPEAKER_01]: We saw firefighters loading up onto city buses headed towards Scround Zero. 47:29.995 --> 47:38.760 [SPEAKER_01]: As we were walking it was almost like every stage of the walk there was something just strange to observe just some out of the ordinary of New Yorkers. 47:39.380 --> 47:40.901 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we got to the Manhattan Bridge. 47:41.021 --> 47:44.723 [SPEAKER_01]: We lived in Borm Hills or walking down towards the Manhattan Bridge. 47:45.764 --> 47:55.170 [SPEAKER_01]: The earliest part of the entire day was there was a just a huge, I don't even know how you would describe it. 47:55.250 --> 47:58.572 [SPEAKER_01]: It was just humanity walking across the Manhattan Bridge. 47:59.413 --> 48:00.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone was covered in light. 48:01.654 --> 48:06.419 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone was like, they're clothing, their heads, their faces, they're covered in ash. 48:06.559 --> 48:09.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Everyone's covered in ash, and you could hear a pin drop. 48:10.203 --> 48:11.164 [SPEAKER_01]: Nobody was talking. 48:11.404 --> 48:16.309 [SPEAKER_01]: I imagine hundreds of thousands of people being brought over the Manhattan Bridge. 48:21.268 --> 48:30.655 [SPEAKER_01]: couldn't hear pin drop, and we finally got home, and my phone was ringing obviously my family was trying to find out where we were. 48:31.216 --> 48:43.145 [SPEAKER_01]: You could from where we lived in Brooklyn, you could smell ground zero for months, and then we ended up hooking up with our friend Emily, who's in Henrik's husband. 48:43.365 --> 48:46.467 [SPEAKER_01]: Henrik's wife, Henrik Weston, we're going to give him 48:50.550 --> 48:55.134 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this is the point where we hook the inner of hooking up with Henrik. 48:55.374 --> 49:03.341 [SPEAKER_01]: We hooked up with his wife, because the wife lived down the street, and we were waiting for Henrik to call, and now I'm going to get Henrik on the phone. 49:07.004 --> 49:07.384 [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see. 49:10.767 --> 49:11.607 [SPEAKER_01]: Good morning, Jeff. 49:12.068 --> 49:14.430 [SPEAKER_01]: Henrik, west in my man, how are you? 49:16.216 --> 49:17.437 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad you're here. 49:17.638 --> 49:18.418 [SPEAKER_01]: Welcome to the show. 49:18.438 --> 49:34.234 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm really glad that you took the time we just had my friend Eric on, tell this incredibly, incredibly emotional story about his experience of 9-11, and this is the 25th anniversary of 9-11, and I just before we get into it, I, I, um, 49:35.470 --> 49:37.513 [SPEAKER_01]: I, we, where did we meet? 49:37.894 --> 49:38.594 [SPEAKER_01]: Where do we meet? 49:38.655 --> 49:40.217 [SPEAKER_01]: I think that, here's what I think. 49:41.058 --> 49:43.902 [SPEAKER_01]: Your wife was friends with one of our college friends. 49:44.743 --> 49:49.329 [SPEAKER_01]: And I believe Emily and W. W. W. W. May is, I

think, her name was. 49:49.790 --> 49:49.910 [SPEAKER_00]: Oh. 49:52.950 --> 49:54.811 [SPEAKER_00]: believe that was the common denominator. 49:54.971 --> 49:56.691 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we ended up talking about that. 49:56.912 --> 49:57.812 [SPEAKER_01]: We were friendly. 49:58.332 --> 49:59.633 [SPEAKER_01]: I think it was our friend Kate. 50:00.073 --> 50:02.654 [SPEAKER_01]: And I, and Kate Ryan, I think it was Kate Ryan. 50:02.734 --> 50:04.334 [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Emily was friends with Kate Ryan. 50:04.535 --> 50:08.976 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we ended up, when we moved to New York, we ended up seesaw her. 50:09.096 --> 50:13.078 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember when she said she started dating you. 50:14.584 --> 50:23.588 [SPEAKER_01]: And then we got, we met you at a couple bars and you were just tall, wonderful, looking sweet, sweetest up, I'm flushing. 50:23.728 --> 50:29.491 [SPEAKER_01]: It's big, it's big, it's big, it's big, sweetest bow hunk as my mother would call you. 50:29.831 --> 50:31.312 [SPEAKER_01]: I wanted to call you a bow hunk. 50:31.832 --> 50:32.552 [SPEAKER_01]: You thunder. 50:32.812 --> 50:34.033 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, sweetest thunder. 50:35.354 --> 50:42.577 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember we, I don't know who moved to Brooklyn first, but we live pretty close to each other, right? 50:46.515 --> 50:47.316 [SPEAKER_00]: something like that. 50:47.656 --> 50:53.241 [SPEAKER_00]: You guys had this really cool hipster apartment and we lived on Baltic between Corgan Smith. 50:54.242 --> 51:06.834 [SPEAKER_00]: And we had a lot of good times back then, I mean, bowling bars, sushi, I remember you were really big into the restaurant scene and, you know, would prepare these 51:08.564 --> 51:14.989 [SPEAKER_00]: This fishmonger nearby, and our member, you're picking out fresh sardines. 51:15.229 --> 51:16.090 [SPEAKER_01]: I was about to say yes. 51:16.150 --> 51:30.802 [SPEAKER_00]: I was a little hit about you in our backyard, and you've all used a salt and lemon, and they were just so delicious, and so is moments that just pop out as you age. 51:32.163 --> 51:36.747 [SPEAKER_00]: You had these moments in time that just kind of just are compressed. 51:37.393 --> 51:38.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, that'll time to see you. 51:41.413 --> 51:45.575 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember, I remember never, ever, ever finding sardines like that again. 51:45.875 --> 51:47.556 [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I think I got lucky, be honest with you. 51:47.616 --> 51:49.637 [SPEAKER_01]: I really honestly, I think I got real lucky on that. 51:50.217 --> 51:54.259 [SPEAKER_01]: This was, this was all 100%, I think it was a total lucky. 51:54.299 --> 51:55.599 [SPEAKER_01]: But I remember those sardines too. 51:55.619 --> 51:56.900 [SPEAKER_01]: I've never been really going to find them again. 51:57.240 --> 52:02.402 [SPEAKER_01]: But I also remember you have these amazing solstice parties. 52:02.623 --> 52:07.625 [SPEAKER_01]: And birthday parties, sweetest themes,

parties in your backyard. 52:08.300 --> 52:28.600 [SPEAKER_00]: Those are very important moments in life, I think, you know, you've got to go go beg or go home because as I'm sure we're going to get into it, it's easy to fall into a pattern or a routine and just take things for granted and it's it's really important not to do that. 52:29.506 --> 52:47.370 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was kind of remembering 9-11 and our story, my story was, you know, Hillary and I walked from my, I was very, one of the things that I was very grateful for was I was grateful that I was with Hillary from the morning to I, there was no moments that we were separated because I was put up in a very afraid. 52:47.850 --> 52:57.133 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember when Hillary and I finally got back to our apartment and we got ahold of Emily, we none of us knew where you were and we were very, 53:00.209 --> 53:03.751 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you tell us your story about, you know, your morning of 9-11? 53:05.872 --> 53:09.514 [SPEAKER_00]: It's impossible to describe like how beautiful that day was. 53:09.574 --> 53:09.834 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 53:11.395 --> 53:13.095 [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a cloud in the sky. 53:13.456 --> 53:14.616 [SPEAKER_00]: There was no humidity. 53:15.957 --> 53:17.338 [SPEAKER_00]: It was just perfect. 53:17.378 --> 53:17.998 [SPEAKER_00]: It was perfect. 53:24.642 --> 53:41.431 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, I did what I always did, you know, you get up your shower, you get dressed, I hopped on the subway, and, you know, got to work, and I remember getting on the elevator. 53:42.738 --> 53:46.801 [SPEAKER_00]: And there are two bankers behind me. 53:46.822 --> 53:50.545 [SPEAKER_00]: I worked at a bank investment bank at the time. 53:50.645 --> 53:52.046 [SPEAKER_00]: There are two bankers behind me. 53:52.926 --> 53:59.372 [SPEAKER_00]: And one turns to the other and says, did you hear a plane flew into one of the towers? 53:59.912 --> 54:01.654 [SPEAKER_00]: And I remember thinking to myself, 54:03.052 --> 54:29.185 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, immediately you think Sessna, like kind of idiot flies a Sessna into one of the towers on a perfect day, like that you couldn't get a more perfect day, like you have to be a big time, just an adequate type of pilot to do that, then, you know, like get to the form supposed to be at, get to my like my cubicle there. 54:33.129 --> 54:37.292 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, over time things start to develop. 54:37.932 --> 54:39.513 [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know if you remember this. 54:40.074 --> 54:41.715 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, phones stopped working. 54:41.735 --> 54:42.035 [SPEAKER_00]: Right. 54:42.675 --> 54:46.538 [SPEAKER_00]: The only internet website that was working. 54:50.043 --> 55:01.969 [SPEAKER_00]: it was like a no-frills thing you couldn't really hit the New York Times because you know there's a lot of ads and stuff going on and the bandwidth was not what it is now, right? 55:02.029 --> 55:13.134 [SPEAKER_00]: So actually Emily and I split a flip phone between us and this was Emily's day to have the flip phone. 55:22.128 --> 55:40.531 [SPEAKER_00]: things are unfolding, and I'll say the thing that really shocked me was one of my colleagues went down to the trading floor where there was a TV and a Bloomberg machine, and he comes 55:51.294 --> 55:56.116 [SPEAKER_00]: Just to say that, that is a surreal moment is an understatement. 55:56.897 --> 55:57.897 [SPEAKER_00]: It's shocking, right? 55:58.618 --> 56:01.059 [SPEAKER_00]: And then I get the phone call from my mom. 56:01.179 --> 56:02.379 [SPEAKER_00]: She finally reaches me. 56:02.440 --> 56:05.421 [SPEAKER_00]: She's like, you got to get out of there out of New York City. 56:05.881 --> 56:08.202 [SPEAKER_00]: And then there's all these rumors about anthrax. 56:08.322 --> 56:14.686 [SPEAKER_00]: And nobody knows what's going on. 56:15.246 --> 56:17.607 [SPEAKER_00]: My boss, at the time, leaves 56:22.540 --> 56:26.884 [SPEAKER_00]: As a former military guy, it was not very happy with. 56:28.005 --> 56:37.355 [SPEAKER_00]: And then so I ended up being the last guy in the office to leave a security guy, passes by and says, hey, there's an aircraft 56:37.495 --> 56:42.278 [SPEAKER_00]: earlier headed our way, like that's supposed to make me feel good. 56:43.019 --> 56:46.742 [SPEAKER_01]: But for a lift, I mean, would it be a protection? 56:46.882 --> 56:48.203 [SPEAKER_00]: No one knows what's going on. 56:48.323 --> 56:50.264 [SPEAKER_00]: Like we know that the Pentagon was hit. 56:50.925 --> 56:52.726 [SPEAKER_00]: The two towers were down by then. 56:52.746 --> 57:01.992 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you know, I can't exactly remember when we heard about the Italian and Pennsylvania. 57:02.993 --> 57:05.215 [SPEAKER_00]: But, yeah, so, 57:07.181 --> 57:08.722 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, the subways aren't working. 57:09.582 --> 57:10.702 [SPEAKER_00]: The buses are packed. 57:11.303 --> 57:18.386 [SPEAKER_00]: I ended up walking from midtown down over Brooklyn Bridge. 57:18.766 --> 57:24.488 [SPEAKER_00]: And then, you pass hospitals and, you know, I saw a guy with, you know, 57:30.530 --> 57:33.931 [SPEAKER_00]: like everyone links up, right? 57:33.951 --> 57:36.092 [SPEAKER_00]: And did we have sushi that night? 57:36.352 --> 57:42.575 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, before him, that's a, but what is the Dodd-Secondary? 57:42.635 --> 57:43.455 [SPEAKER_01]: What are you doing? 57:43.696 --> 57:49.618 [SPEAKER_01]: So, though I was just saying that when we came back, I remember when Hillary and I were walking back from Green Point. 57:50.118 --> 57:55.701 [SPEAKER_01]: Now in terms of the timing of everything, we saw the second plane hit when we got onto the BQE. 57:56.141 --> 57:56.741 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God. 57:57.161 --> 58:11.014 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we took the win, and then when we, when then we, we navigated to my shop where Hillary called her parents and, and, and they said that the, that's when we found out that

the Pentagon had been, been hit too. 58:11.534 --> 58:20.442 [SPEAKER_01]: So we, we were up very unaware, but what I was saying was I remember when we were walking towards home, when we passed, when we got to them and hadn't bridge, 58:21.023 --> 58:29.427 [SPEAKER_01]: There were hundreds of thousands of people walking across covered in ash and we were silent. 58:30.407 --> 58:30.967 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember? 58:30.987 --> 58:33.769 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember just complete silence. 58:34.029 --> 58:38.311 [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't even hear a bird. 58:38.371 --> 58:43.153 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the craziest part of seeing this huge sea of people. 58:43.533 --> 58:47.435 [SPEAKER_01]: It was everyone was covered in ash and it was complete silence. 58:48.454 --> 58:49.134 [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting. 58:49.174 --> 58:56.576 [SPEAKER_00]: I was at an event in the winter with an old high school buddy of mine as name is Mark Block. 58:56.596 --> 58:58.216 [SPEAKER_00]: He lives on Roosevelt Island. 58:59.377 --> 59:03.138 [SPEAKER_00]: And I actually saw him and I think he saw me. 59:04.538 --> 59:11.640 [SPEAKER_00]: We were walking in the same direction and you know not with standing the fact that we hadn't seen each other in a while. 59:12.100 --> 59:13.200 [SPEAKER_00]: Not a word was spoken. 59:18.303 --> 59:23.287 [SPEAKER_00]: That's how intense the emotions were at that point. 59:24.908 --> 59:26.529 [SPEAKER_00]: It's very difficult to describe. 59:26.549 --> 59:28.991 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I'll ever experience anything like that. 59:30.012 --> 59:32.253 [SPEAKER_00]: Again, in my lifetime, I hope I don't. 59:34.315 --> 59:44.162 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's really interesting how human beings tend to sort of react to these masks. 59:45.906 --> 59:59.188 [SPEAKER_00]: massive events and to call it kind of a biblical kind catastrophe, I don't think is an understatement, I think that's kind of an accurate portrayal of what happened because it 01:00:09.246 --> 01:00:11.809 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's a difficult thing to sort of wrestle with. 01:00:13.031 --> 01:00:28.469 [SPEAKER_00]: Jeff, if you don't mind, I listen to your podcast about your dear sister, and you know, it got me thinking about CS Lewis and his concept of grief. 01:00:30.758 --> 01:00:50.237 [SPEAKER_00]: as the sense of quiet, and it's not the absence of noise, it's that feeling of a prominent and emotional farewell, like something has changed forever, and 01:00:55.200 --> 01:01:01.823 [SPEAKER_00]: I think that really encapsulates what happened then, because our lives were changed forever. 01:01:01.843 --> 01:01:06.265 [SPEAKER_00]: I felt the 90s were the 80s and the 90s. 01:01:06.446 --> 01:01:18.171 [SPEAKER_00]: And this is not true forever, obviously, but I look back at them with some nostalgia because what happened that day impacted not only us, 01:01:25.632 --> 01:01:31.135 [SPEAKER_00]: So then ended up serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and other places. 01:01:32.995 --> 01:01:49.183 [SPEAKER_00]: And even though they weren't there, they, you know, clearly have been impacted and the families were impacted by the consequences, you know, I live in Albany, and 01:01:53.413 --> 01:01:56.976 [SPEAKER_00]: a pretty robust immigrant and refugee program. 01:01:58.477 --> 01:02:18.774 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, it was fortunate enough with my family to sort of take in a family of people from Afghanistan, the father, the patriarch, if you will, of the family was a translator for the world food program and another international organizations. 01:02:24.138 --> 01:02:27.219 [SPEAKER_00]: each amount of trial, if you know, won't be both parking lot. 01:02:28.859 --> 01:02:31.820 [SPEAKER_00]: Where's things you just couldn't even imagine? 01:02:33.261 --> 01:02:38.362 [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, just getting back to the concept of grief. 01:02:41.003 --> 01:02:44.944 [SPEAKER_00]: It has its own vocabulary and grammar and shape. 01:02:45.824 --> 01:02:47.205 [SPEAKER_00]: And everyone goes through, 01:02:51.267 --> 01:02:55.890 [SPEAKER_00]: This stuff, it's very hard to quantify or be objective. 01:02:57.871 --> 01:02:59.712 [SPEAKER_00]: You just have to sort of ride with it. 01:02:59.792 --> 01:03:13.819 [SPEAKER_00]: At some moments like these, when you and I are having right now, we're able to talk freely about our experiences and what we're feeling without judgment or 01:03:18.813 --> 01:03:27.218 [SPEAKER_00]: significantly, even to the facts, you know, quarter of a century is gone by so important and 01:03:29.895 --> 01:03:49.402 [SPEAKER_01]: No, listen, listen, I appreciate everything you've said and I think that your generosity in general has been very inspiring and I remember when Hillary and I went over, I think Hillary and I went over to see Emily and we were all, I remember all of us being very concerned that we didn't know where you were. 01:03:50.302 --> 01:03:56.005 [SPEAKER_01]: And then I believe we were at your house and I know that you kind of walked up to the house. 01:03:56.706 --> 01:04:04.150 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the first thing you said, I'll never forget, the first thing you said is we need to go to the red cross and donate blood. 01:04:04.710 --> 01:04:13.955 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember that being this real moment of leadership of you, you know, we're just a four of us, you know, but at the same time you said we need to go to the red cross right now. 01:04:14.515 --> 01:04:21.901 [SPEAKER_01]: And I don't even know if you change, I don't know anything and if you put your drop your bag down and we walk down to the red cross, which is only a few blocks away. 01:04:22.522 --> 01:04:25.725 [SPEAKER_01]: There was a line around the block of New Yorkers. 01:04:25.765 --> 01:04:41.198 [SPEAKER_01]: Now we're talking like, all right, let's just say that this is like early afternoon, I would say, at this time, I would say close to early afternoon, we walk to the red cross, and I

remember you being very like, you know, being this, you know, really strong, you know, leader, you always been like that. 01:04:41.738 --> 01:04:48.182 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember getting in line with everybody else, everybody in the line was just like, we don't know what that'll happen, what's going on. 01:04:48.683 --> 01:05:03.192 [SPEAKER_01]: I think we started to realize, I mean, it was very, I don't think people were really, I mean, people who were not at their homes watching TV were pretty, we're starting to realize that this was obviously a terrorist attack or it was wasn't an accident. 01:05:03.212 --> 01:05:05.193 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was a complete fear. 01:05:05.313 --> 01:05:07.135 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll never forget the nurse, 01:05:07.875 --> 01:05:12.056 [SPEAKER_01]: coming out for the line was around the block to donate blood. 01:05:12.136 --> 01:05:13.016 [SPEAKER_01]: New Yorkers are the best. 01:05:13.036 --> 01:05:14.237 [SPEAKER_01]: They ain't nobody better than New Yorker. 01:05:15.037 --> 01:05:25.019 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the nurse came out angry and says, well, you all better go home because we don't even have enough, you know, needles are bags just to take your blood or short anyway. 01:05:25.059 --> 01:05:26.099 [SPEAKER_01]: So you're wasting your time. 01:05:26.420 --> 01:05:27.540 [SPEAKER_01]: She was so mad. 01:05:28.420 --> 01:05:33.863 [SPEAKER_01]: And at the same time, I think it was just this wonderful, you know, New York moment of everyone and everyone didn't know what to do. 01:05:33.883 --> 01:05:34.704 [SPEAKER_01]: They have everybody left. 01:05:35.104 --> 01:05:41.047 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'll never forget you, that you guided us over to the, we got in line with everybody else and we didn't even really care. 01:05:41.567 --> 01:05:42.388 [SPEAKER_01]: We didn't really care. 01:05:42.848 --> 01:05:55.095 [SPEAKER_01]: One of the other things I remember was that Hillary felt like she needed to get to the hospital as soon as it happened because she was prepared for there being a lot of casualties. 01:05:55.935 --> 01:05:59.056 [SPEAKER_01]: And what she ended up saying after the fact is we couldn't even get to it. 01:05:59.096 --> 01:06:01.177 [SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't even get across the bridge for a long time. 01:06:01.197 --> 01:06:04.097 [SPEAKER_01]: We couldn't even get in the out of Brooklyn first for a week. 01:06:05.278 --> 01:06:07.838 [SPEAKER_01]: She said that there were no people at the hospital. 01:06:08.459 --> 01:06:11.660 [SPEAKER_01]: It was all there were not injuries. 01:06:12.020 --> 01:06:16.121 [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't it was like everybody who you know suffered the basically. 01:06:16.561 --> 01:06:17.841 [SPEAKER_01]: It was they died. 01:06:18.562 --> 01:06:19.622 [SPEAKER_00]: It's yeah, it's almost. 01:06:19.642 --> 01:06:23.663 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's it's you and either unfortunate. 01:06:26.492 --> 01:06:48.187 [SPEAKER_00]: to get out, and yeah, I feel like there were very few in the middle, and it's not to harp on this, but just the sheer gale of this thing is impossible to describe. 01:06:55.926 --> 01:07:07.857 [SPEAKER_00]: like your dear wife are unsung heroes of the entire health field, you know, people like her stepped up and in a big way. 01:07:14.159 --> 01:07:38.082 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the thing and I was kind of, you know, when you and I kind of talk last night, I feel as though I feel as though, you know, how I was talking to Eric before you came on the second before and I was saying that it feels as though the amnesia of time has taken away a lot of people's understanding of the gravity of what had happened. 01:07:38.743 --> 01:07:46.749 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said, I was talking to, I said, I talked to these young knife makers, and they all have long beards, and they had looked like they're ancient. 01:07:46.809 --> 01:08:03.300 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember a number of years ago, I was talking to this really talented young knife maker in this 20s, and the topic of 9.11 came up, and I said, yeah, I was in Brooklyn at the time, we saw the second plane sit, and he was so shocked, and then it was saying I was in kindergarten. 01:08:04.575 --> 01:08:23.132 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm looking at this dude with this beard, you know, thinking, okay, this is obviously, you know, and there is this now he's probably in his 30s and now that there's this huge gap of understanding or not understanding the oral tradition. 01:08:23.492 --> 01:08:28.197 [SPEAKER_01]: I was actually thinking about this a lot because I talked to my daughter a lot about, you know, 01:08:28.837 --> 01:08:31.881 [SPEAKER_01]: My father was 50 when I was born and he was in World War II. 01:08:31.921 --> 01:08:34.384 [SPEAKER_01]: His brother was stormed the beach of Normandy. 01:08:34.404 --> 01:08:43.475 [SPEAKER_01]: My dad was in China, Burma, India, area and he we have family that were victims of the pogrom and the emigrated. 01:08:43.935 --> 01:08:47.478 [SPEAKER_01]: fearing for their lives and we have for family that was involved in the Holocaust. 01:08:47.979 --> 01:09:03.612 [SPEAKER_01]: And what I was trying to tell my daughter was, you know, now that these people who had first hand information or first hand knowledge, what was going on during those, you know, atrocious times, as they're dying off, you don't get that oral tradition anymore. 01:09:03.632 --> 01:09:05.794 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's a, you know, a Jewish person of my age. 01:09:06.254 --> 01:09:10.978 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, you, you, you, you, you, you, you can't, it's to the point where you hear about it so much growing up. 01:09:11.378 --> 01:09:15.802 [SPEAKER_01]: It's, you almost want to say, all right, all right, I get it, I get it, yeah, we know, Hitler's Vata. 01:09:16.062 --> 01:09:21.727 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't all about it, but the problem is is that there's, there's, there's that oral tradition when that oral tradition's gone. 01:09:21.747 -->

01:09:30.474 [SPEAKER_01]: It, it almost feels like, you know, it's, it's like this, this amnesia that goes over, over generations. 01:09:31.014 --> 01:09:31.635 [SPEAKER_00]: I totally. 01:09:37.430 --> 01:10:01.665 [SPEAKER_00]: are old enough to know about, you know, our own history and how the Soviets, you know, murdered my great grandfather, Alexander Rosenstein, and then, you know, his wife Louise escaped to Poland and worked fields there until she finally got to West Germany, just 01:10:04.217 --> 01:10:10.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Not unified at the time, or you listeners out there with big beards who were in kindergarten during that 11. 01:10:11.398 --> 01:10:12.298 [SPEAKER_00]: Just forget about it. 01:10:13.679 --> 01:10:14.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Sit this one out. 01:10:14.499 --> 01:10:15.239 [SPEAKER_01]: You can have to remember. 01:10:15.359 --> 01:10:17.159 [SPEAKER_01]: You can have to trust us on this one guy. 01:10:17.219 --> 01:10:18.740 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just just believe me. 01:10:19.220 --> 01:10:24.701 [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, 100% I mean, we're human beings. 01:10:24.761 --> 01:10:27.001 [SPEAKER_00]: We've evolved as a social species. 01:10:27.681 --> 01:10:31.402 [SPEAKER_00]: You're not going to get the full information reading the book or 01:10:33.107 --> 01:10:50.497 [SPEAKER_00]: looking at Instagram reels or means it's so important to listen to your grandparents and have real conversations about what their lives were like and you know developing 01:10:57.093 --> 01:11:23.895 [SPEAKER_00]: You're in a body that feels and thinks and breathes your throats, sort of get tightened, you get sad, you might squirt a few tears, but I mean, that's life, that's the stuff that's what you want to lean into in our ever-creasing, like, smartphone world, I agree with you. 01:11:27.745 --> 01:11:28.105 [SPEAKER_00]: had it. 01:11:28.966 --> 01:11:30.307 [SPEAKER_00]: We shouldn't get away from it. 01:11:31.348 --> 01:11:39.473 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we just had this movie come out on the America, at back at the Odyssey. 01:11:39.893 --> 01:11:50.140 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, these were stories told over time by people and people enjoyed it and it's not just like leisure. 01:11:50.361 --> 01:11:52.022 [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a part of life. 01:11:52.747 --> 01:12:00.051 [SPEAKER_01]: Do you remember, after the days of 9-11, do you remember what it was like living in Brooklyn at the time? 01:12:01.071 --> 01:12:01.952 [SPEAKER_00]: It was amazing. 01:12:02.412 --> 01:12:07.735 [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, literally everyone was in it for each other. 01:12:11.957 --> 01:12:15.759 [SPEAKER_00]: That's another thing I feel like we've lost is this... 01:12:22.063 --> 01:12:30.647 [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's important to argue and, you know, disagree and sort of like come to a consensus on stuff, right? 01:12:30.727 --> 01:12:38.690 [SPEAKER_00]: But during that period of time, people, there was a sense that people actually were looking out for each other. 01:12:39.730 --> 01:12:43.272 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, you'd see firefighters and people would applaud them. 01:12:44.032 --> 01:12:46.533 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd see cops and people would applaud them. 01:12:46.673 --> 01:12:47.774 [SPEAKER_00]: You'd see M.T. 01:12:48.034 --> 01:12:49.855 [SPEAKER_00]: workers and people would applaud them. 01:13:00.432 --> 01:13:09.958 [SPEAKER_00]: where there was a sort of heavy population of Syrians and folks who came from Yemen. 01:13:14.895 --> 01:13:22.059 [SPEAKER_00]: There was this sense of like, no, no, no, no, we're gonna look out for these folks because they're in New Yorkers as well. 01:13:22.519 --> 01:13:33.765 [SPEAKER_00]: And I, you know, it's for credible that the social media and the internet has, you know, had such a powerful effect, I think. 01:13:35.088 --> 01:13:44.760 [SPEAKER_00]: on how much division there has been, but in those days after 9-11, it truly was a unique special feeling, I think. 01:13:45.941 --> 01:13:46.462 [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. 01:13:48.765 --> 01:13:50.407 [SPEAKER_00]: That was a sense you had as well. 01:13:51.693 --> 01:14:06.773 [SPEAKER_01]: That was, that that was a lot of the sense, but I mean, for me, my memories are the smell like I remember and even to this day every time I got it every time John, every time John Stewart comes on to talk about all the stuff, Hillary's just like, 01:14:07.632 --> 01:14:09.754 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's only a matter of time, dude. 01:14:09.794 --> 01:14:13.137 [SPEAKER_01]: We, when we smell, we smell ground zero for like months. 01:14:13.838 --> 01:14:33.375 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was like, that was, that was, has been that, that was been our huge conversation point where we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, we 01:14:34.379 --> 01:14:40.463 [SPEAKER_00]: because the winds had shifted and all that dust came over to Brooklyn. 01:14:43.059 --> 01:14:44.980 [SPEAKER_00]: And it was just wild. 01:14:45.241 --> 01:14:49.564 [SPEAKER_00]: Like it was snowing, it was like it was snowing in September. 01:14:49.584 --> 01:14:53.006 [SPEAKER_00]: Do you remember the sound of fighter jets? 01:14:53.386 --> 01:14:55.128 [SPEAKER_01]: I do remember the sound of fighter jets. 01:14:55.888 --> 01:14:57.189 [SPEAKER_01]: And I remember the fear. 01:14:57.769 --> 01:15:03.694 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember the fact that when I was working for Charlie at the time, we couldn't get across the bridge. 01:15:04.354 --> 01:15:09.238 [SPEAKER_01]: And at one point one of my managers were saying I'm going to bike across the bridge to get over and he was rejected. 01:15:09.258 --> 01:15:10.518 [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't

get across the bridge. 01:15:10.538 --> 01:15:12.080 [SPEAKER_01]: You couldn't go back into the city. 01:15:13.180 --> 01:15:22.931 [SPEAKER_01]: Um, I remember once we finally did get in the city, there were messages from one of the restaurant saying, I know that there's something happened today, but you better accept my reservation. 01:15:22.951 --> 01:15:25.054 [SPEAKER_01]: We were like laughing about that. 01:15:25.074 --> 01:15:32.582 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember, yeah, I was like, what are these people are so out of touch that the two towers just fell and they want to make sure that their reservation for 730s. 01:15:33.843 --> 01:15:45.733 [SPEAKER_01]: is still, but I also remember the fear of not knowing what was next, you know, there was so many, there were these, you know, fears of anthrax attacks and there were all that stuff. 01:15:45.753 --> 01:15:56.522 [SPEAKER_01]: And one of the things and I was, I was, I mentioned this a million times and this is probably why I'm such a big Yankees fan and a New York sports in general was when the Yankees came back in October. 01:15:57.883 --> 01:16:00.204 [SPEAKER_01]: And George W. Bush threw out the first pitch. 01:16:00.984 --> 01:16:02.365 [SPEAKER_01]: And Julie on, he was in the crowd. 01:16:02.525 --> 01:16:08.607 [SPEAKER_01]: It was the first time I ever felt like we're all going to be okay. 01:16:08.907 --> 01:16:16.069 [SPEAKER_01]: That was legitimately, and that's so September 11th, let's say the Yankees played, you know, maybe three weeks later, four weeks later. 01:16:16.590 --> 01:16:20.091 [SPEAKER_01]: That was the first time seeing New Yorkers in the crowds. 01:16:20.991 --> 01:16:35.934 [SPEAKER_01]: watching, seeing people together, cheering, seeing director go out wearing an FDNY hat or NIPD hat and that was the first time I felt like I think we're going to be okay. 01:16:36.114 --> 01:16:48.317 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was like it was incredible relief because you couldn't get across into the city for a long time and then once you did it's just like there was so much clean up and there was just it was such chaos. 01:16:50.717 --> 01:16:53.940 [SPEAKER_00]: And that's, I'm glad you mentioned Giuliani. 01:16:54.541 --> 01:16:57.243 [SPEAKER_00]: It's in what you will of him now. 01:16:57.464 --> 01:17:00.967 [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not my place to judge any other person. 01:17:01.928 --> 01:17:05.171 [SPEAKER_00]: Right at my own feelings about everything. 01:17:05.251 --> 01:17:09.375 [SPEAKER_00]: But during that time, he was the man. 01:17:09.715 --> 01:17:13.519 [SPEAKER_00]: But he was the guy who you wanted in charge. 01:17:13.539 --> 01:17:14.479 [SPEAKER_01]: Not before 9.11. 01:17:17.655 --> 01:17:21.018 [SPEAKER_01]: During 9-11, he was the greatest mayor we could have possibly had. 01:17:21.978 --> 01:17:22.979 [SPEAKER_01]: No question about it. 01:17:23.499 --> 01:17:25.921 [SPEAKER_01]: He was immaculate. 01:17:26.182 --> 01:17:26.962 [SPEAKER_01]: He was perfect. 01:17:27.563 --> 01:17:27.723 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 01:17:27.923 --> 01:17:28.383 [SPEAKER_01]: Perfect. 01:17:28.743 --> 01:17:29.264 [SPEAKER_01]: I hated him. 01:17:29.504 --> 01:17:30.024 [SPEAKER_01]: Before hand? 01:17:30.044 --> 01:17:30.465 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah. 01:17:30.745 --> 01:17:35.789 [SPEAKER_01]: I, he wanted to fund the Brooklyn Museum because somebody painted a picture of him like Mussolini at a cowshit. 01:17:36.189 --> 01:17:40.011 [SPEAKER_01]: And then, where I was, he was like, we're defunding the museum. 01:17:40.031 --> 01:17:43.912 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm like, fuck this guy, oh yeah, this guy's such a Nazi. 01:17:44.333 --> 01:17:48.194 [SPEAKER_01]: And then after 9-11, he could not do any wrong. 01:17:48.354 --> 01:17:51.436 [SPEAKER_01]: He was the greatest mayor that the city could have possibly had at the time. 01:17:52.016 --> 01:17:58.939 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's turning, this guy turns into like, you know, he turns into like some sort of Shakespearean character. 01:17:58.959 --> 01:18:00.539 [SPEAKER_01]: This is like a Greek tragedies guy. 01:18:00.559 --> 01:18:01.800 [SPEAKER_00]: It's wild. 01:18:06.360 --> 01:18:14.648 [SPEAKER_00]: You know, this guy gets called back to Rome to be a dictator for for years to straighten things out and then goes back to his farm. 01:18:16.349 --> 01:18:18.451 [SPEAKER_00]: You just wish different people like that. 01:18:18.471 --> 01:18:18.872 [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. 01:18:29.073 --> 01:18:30.693 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's been 25 years. 01:18:31.014 --> 01:18:35.795 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you and I text every 9-11, at least, or talk, or talk. 01:18:36.515 --> 01:18:42.537 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was grateful to be with you and Emily at that time, like I said to you last night, we're bonded by blood. 01:18:42.597 --> 01:18:51.119 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like, this is something that, you know, I never, I never get past the 9-11 without, you know, being very emotional. 01:18:51.699 --> 01:18:54.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Hillary's the same way, and I'm sure most people who are there, 01:18:55.345 --> 01:19:15.654 [SPEAKER_01]: In New York at the time, even maybe if they weren't at the time, I had my friend Eric, my high school friend Eric who was in California at the time and he had a lot of friends at Canterfitsh Gerald and it's a really interesting conversation because he talks about how he and his father were very involved with helping families from the West Coast basically. 01:19:16.394 --> 01:19:20.276 [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, what are your final thoughts and he's been 25 years, you know? 01:19:30.451 --> 01:19:44.697 [SPEAKER_00]: I get nostalgic for those days, I get nostalgic for nine-twelfth often that feeling of not unity, but we're all in this together. 01:19:45.037 --> 01:19:53.380 [SPEAKER_00]: So that was standing our differences when you can figure something, you know, I'm going 01:20:00.387 --> 01:20:17.899 [SPEAKER_00]: There was a precious moment in time that sometimes I feel we've lost

in all the vitriol and anger and, you know, I'm just so grateful to have you in my life. 01:20:24.123 --> 01:20:26.865 [SPEAKER_00]: It's a difficult day, but to share the 01:20:31.093 --> 01:20:41.974 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm grateful to, I mean, you know, it's interesting, you know, you mean Eric, I know you've never met Eric, but um, it was, you know, they, they, I mean, I was so grateful to be at your wedding and to, 01:20:47.849 --> 01:20:50.370 [SPEAKER_01]: Speaking of the change, I'm going to make it that's so funny. 01:20:50.390 --> 01:21:03.333 [SPEAKER_01]: The funniest thing, every, so Henrik and Emily invited us for a wedding, but it was also the 90th birthday of Hillary's grandmother, and we had to go to that event every year. 01:21:03.393 --> 01:21:11.915 [SPEAKER_01]: I think you suddenly broke my balls about it for a while, but every year, when you post about your anniversary, I always say I'm so glad it would be there. 01:21:12.015 --> 01:21:13.115 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm so glad to be there. 01:21:13.735 --> 01:21:14.915 [SPEAKER_01]: It's so funny. 01:21:15.816 --> 01:21:16.476 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the best. 01:21:16.696 --> 01:21:17.236 [SPEAKER_01]: You're the best. 01:21:17.356 --> 01:21:23.938 [SPEAKER_01]: And I tell you what, I tell you what, I'm very grateful to you, and I'm very grateful to Emily, and I know we gotta get together soon. 01:21:23.978 --> 01:21:27.599 [SPEAKER_01]: And we gotta do, we all have, we all have children in the same age. 01:21:27.639 --> 01:21:30.199 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's like, that's amazing seeing all of our kids. 01:21:31.140 --> 01:21:38.062 [SPEAKER_01]: All of our kids are in college, and it's just really wonderful to see how wonderful your beautiful family is. 01:21:38.142 --> 01:21:42.583 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, we have just such incredible love for you and Emily and your kids. 01:21:43.463 --> 01:21:44.584 [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'm very grateful. 01:21:44.604 --> 01:21:59.756 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm very grateful that and I feel like a lot of people are age and especially who went through it There's that there's definitely Especially when you meet someone of our age who was in New York during 9-11 It always it always it turns into a bond. 01:21:59.976 --> 01:22:09.944 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean Yeah, I meet people I always meet people of certain age when they say they're from New York I said what you say where were you during 9-11 and when they tell us the story there's a and there is a 01:22:10.665 --> 01:22:29.623 [SPEAKER_01]: there is a incredible bond so unfortunate it's fortunate unfortunate it's fortunate because you're able to kind of keep it alive at the same time hearing other people's stories during that time was amazing but I cannot thank you enough and then the last question I have is are you still my attorney? 01:22:33.540 --> 01:22:43.763 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, you're like, I was saying to Eric, if I, when I do, when there's a board of directors for Fader Knives, you're gonna be first ballot, you're gonna be first ballot on there. 01:22:43.983 --> 01:22:49.824 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, you're my guy, you're my, I appreciate you have been a huge advisor for me for a while. 01:22:49.924 --> 01:22:57.666 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're also, I really appreciate your, your thoughts on things and you're just so smart and you really were a leader that day. 01:22:57.726 --> 01:22:59.927 [SPEAKER_01]: I really, I'll never forget how you were like, 01:23:00.427 --> 01:23:06.434 [SPEAKER_01]: you were very decisive in the first thing you said is we're going to the red cross right now donate blood. 01:23:06.774 --> 01:23:09.257 [SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate that, Jeff. 01:23:09.637 --> 01:23:10.038 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you. 01:23:10.338 --> 01:23:11.059 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, my bro. 01:23:11.319 --> 01:23:13.742 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, let's get together sooner rather than later. 01:23:14.903 --> 01:23:16.345 [SPEAKER_01]: And you're my guy. 01:23:16.505 --> 01:23:17.005 [SPEAKER_01]: You're my guy. 01:23:17.726 --> 01:23:18.327 [UNKNOWN]: You're my guy. 01:23:18.447 --> 01:23:19.108 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, my brother. 01:23:19.128 --> 01:23:19.788 [SPEAKER_01]: I'll talk to you later. 01:23:20.309 --> 01:23:20.629 [SPEAKER_01]: Take care. 01:23:20.649 --> 01:23:21.150 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again. 01:23:21.530 --> 01:23:21.971 [SPEAKER_01]: Thanks again. 01:23:23.154 --> 01:23:26.137 [SPEAKER_00]: Henrik Weston, ladies and gentlemen, Swedish thunder. 01:23:26.337 --> 01:23:26.677 [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. 01:23:27.097 --> 01:23:30.000 [SPEAKER_01]: PS, Henrik is like, he towers over me. 01:23:30.460 --> 01:23:31.941 [SPEAKER_01]: And I didn't get to tell this story. 01:23:32.860 --> 01:23:37.382 [SPEAKER_01]: because we lived close to buy in Westchester before we moved to where we are now. 01:23:37.843 --> 01:23:40.884 [SPEAKER_01]: And there was one huge snowstorm and Henrik is a big dude. 01:23:40.904 --> 01:23:42.405 [SPEAKER_01]: He served in the Swedish army. 01:23:42.425 --> 01:23:47.448 [SPEAKER_01]: The guy is like, we call him Swedish thunder because he's incredibly... 01:23:47.808 --> 01:23:51.990 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the Swedish nicest, also biggest and most terrifying guy. 01:23:52.010 --> 01:23:53.831 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't remember we were walking down the street. 01:23:53.851 --> 01:23:55.472 [SPEAKER_01]: There was snow everywhere. 01:23:56.072 --> 01:24:14.882 [SPEAKER_01]: And at one point he picked me up and I'm 61, I'm 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 2 and 01:24:15.142 --> 01:24:21.307 [SPEAKER_01]: Henrik Weston, my good friend Eric Grant, and I'm grateful for this. 01:24:21.327 --> 01:24:28.612 [SPEAKER_01]: I've been planning this for a while, and I'm really grateful for both Eric and Henrik to come on and tell their stories. 01:24:29.433 --> 01:24:30.533 [SPEAKER_01]: This is one of those things. 01:24:30.994 --> 01:24:31.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, I'm not going to get him. 01:24:31.955 --> 01:24:33.636 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to hockey in Shiotic, ladies and germs. 01:24:33.676 --> 01:24:36.218 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to make you look at me all about it. 01:24:36.238 --> 01:24:37.759 [SPEAKER_01]: You can say never forget, never forget. 01:24:38.219 --> 01:24:44.242 [SPEAKER_01]: There is something to be said about the oral tradition, and I think podcasts for this great opportunity for people to hear other people's stories. 01:24:44.643 --> 01:24:55.549 [SPEAKER_01]: Go back into the archives, listen to the Jimmy Doresta 911 show that was pretty intense, and, you know, great hearing his story from 911, and I'll do this every year. 01:24:55.849 --> 01:25:04.834 [SPEAKER_01]: We'll see, maybe next year I'll get a couple of guys I know that remember that time, maybe I have a firefighter friend of mine who is one of the 911 guys, maybe we'll see if I can... 01:25:05.274 --> 01:25:06.556 [SPEAKER_01]: get him to call in next year. 01:25:07.236 --> 01:25:13.023 [SPEAKER_01]: But listen, I'm with you, ladies and gentlemen, and never forget, all right? 01:25:13.283 --> 01:25:13.604 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you. 01:25:14.205 --> 01:25:14.365 [UNKNOWN]: Bye.