النص الكامل لحلقة Former Prince Andrew Faces Questions Over £750,000 Payment From Turkish Businesswoman

00:04:26.509 situation for Andrew, Gets more precarious by the day. This 67 00:04:26.550 --> 00:04:28.930 dude is teetering on the edge of the abyss. And 68 00:04:28.990 --> 00:04:32.790 at this point, in my opinion, it's not if, it's 69 00:04:32.889 --> 00:04:36.720 when he falls off that ledge. Because the downfall, the 70 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.920 real downfall, is coming. The trial's due to begin in November, 71 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:45.740 and Mountbatten-Windsor is evidence in mid-December. And obviously, we'll be 72 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:49.399 covering it. Maybe not to the level that we cover 73 00:04:49.459 --> 00:04:52.240 some of the other trials. considering I probably won't have 74 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.470 access to the, you know, transcripts and paperwork, all that stuff. 75 00:04:56.310 --> 00:05:00.329 But when it comes to reviews and recaps, we'll go 76 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:02.810 through those and we'll see what's going on because it's 77 00:05:02.850 --> 00:05:06.259 pertinent to the Prince Andrew story overall, right? And that 78 00:05:06.300 --> 00:05:10.100 means it's pertinent to our story. So we'll definitely keep 79 00:05:10.139 --> 00:05:15.899 following along. Newsweek approached Mountbatten-Windsor's legal team by email for comment. 80 00:05:18.689 --> 00:05:21.670 It's the first time since 1870 that a British royal 81 00:05:21.709 --> 00:05:24.750 family member has been issued a court summons, and if 82 00:05:24.790 --> 00:05:29.009 his testimony goes ahead, it will expose Mountbatten-Windsor to cross-examination 83 00:05:29.269 --> 00:05:32.750 by a lawyer, under oath, and a public forum for 84 00:05:32.790 --> 00:05:37.000 the first time. And that's significant, right? I mean, not 85 00:05:37.040 --> 00:05:41.240 something you see every day, obviously. First time since 1870? 86 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.220 Kind of a big deal. And the fact that it's 87 00:05:44.259 --> 00:05:48.889 Prince Andrew shines a big spotlight on it. Because we're 88 00:05:48.910 --> 00:05:52.110 not talking about somebody that's being, you know, wrongfully maligned 89 00:05:53.250 --> 00:05:57.189 or being viciously attacked for no reason. This man deserves 90 00:05:57.790 --> 00:06:01.470 every bit of scorn and every bit of disgust that's 91 00:06:01.529 --> 00:06:04.379 thrown his way. And the only regret that I have 92 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:07.040 is that Virginia is not here to see it. The 93 00:06:07.060 --> 00:06:09.699 last time he answered questions in any kind of public 94 00:06:09.740 --> 00:06:15.980 forum was his November 2019 BBC Newsnight interview that precipitated 95 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.839 the end of his career as a working royal. That 96 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:23.120 sit-down was about his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein and the 97 00:06:23.189 --> 00:06:27.069 allegations that he had sex with Virginia Roberts when she 98 00:06:27.110 --> 00:06:31.709 was a 17-year-old sex trafficking victim of Epstein

in 2001, 99 00:06:31.709 --> 00:06:34.250 which he has always denied. Well, he can deny it 100 00:06:34.290 --> 00:06:38.600 all he wants. I talked to Virginia directly about it, 101 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.879 and I believe everything she said, especially when it comes 102 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:47.000 to Andrew. You don't remember those kinds of details. You 103 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:51.680 don't remember everything about a situation that never occurred. And then, 104 00:06:51.720 --> 00:06:55.889 of course, you have Andrew's behavior in the aftermath. So 105 00:06:55.930 --> 00:06:59.269 for me, there's no doubt. And as far as I'm concerned, 106 00:06:59.730 --> 00:07:03.129 this dude should be buried underneath a jail. The current 107 00:07:03.149 --> 00:07:07.269 high court case is not related to Epstein in any way. Well, 108 00:07:07.310 --> 00:07:10.980 it could open the door. And remember, that's a dangerous 109 00:07:11.019 --> 00:07:16.060 proposition for people like Andrew. People with actual skeletons, Dangerous shit. 110 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:19.839 While the case does not relate to Epstein, it does 111 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:23.040 relate to another subject long debated in the UK media, 112 00:07:23.759 --> 00:07:28.029 where Mountbatten-Windsor's money came from. Well, we know. The guy 113 00:07:28.149 --> 00:07:30.370 never met a scumbag he didn't want to associate with, 114 00:07:31.029 --> 00:07:33.329 and people paid for access. I mean, you don't need 115 00:07:33.370 --> 00:07:37.899 Sherlock Holmes on the case. A high court ruling by 116 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.319 Judge Adam Johnson, seen by Newsweek, states that Isabelle N., 117 00:07:41.699 --> 00:07:44.939 accused Turk of saying she needed to make a purported gift, 118 00:07:45.379 --> 00:07:48.879 of 750,000 pounds, by the way of payment for assistance, 119 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.980 the then Duke of York had provided in relation to 120 00:07:53.019 --> 00:07:58.750 Miss Isbelin's Turkish passport. Miss Isbelin alleges this representation was false, 121 00:07:59.569 --> 00:08:03.009 as Mr. Turk well knew at the time. And consequently, 122 00:08:03.290 --> 00:08:07.069 he was dishonest in making it. So bro is promising? 123 00:08:08.069 --> 00:08:10.180 Andrew was going to help her out with her passport? 124 00:08:10.500 --> 00:08:13.240 How could Andrew have that kind of pull? Well, we 125 00:08:13.259 --> 00:08:16.759 know he does. But the question is how? Who in 126 00:08:16.779 --> 00:08:21.189 the home office or whatever their immigration office is made 127 00:08:21.209 --> 00:08:24.269 that decision? Who is going to help him out? Because 128 00:08:24.410 --> 00:08:27.509 Andrew can't do it himself. He can go to somebody. 129 00:08:27.730 --> 00:08:31.490 He can ask somebody. But who is that somebody? And 130 00:08:31.509 --> 00:08:34.220 I think that's a big problem when it comes to corruption, right? 131 00:08:34.549 --> 00:08:37.779 You have these low-level bureaucrats that are willing to play ball. 132 00:08:38.840 --> 00:08:41.279 And unless we hold those people accountable, I don't want 133 00:08:41.299 --> 00:08:44.259 to hear shit about, oh, systemic issues. The systemic issues 134 00:08:44.620 --> 00:08:46.639 are because the people that you have in these positions 135 00:08:47.120 --> 00:08:52.659 shouldn't be in these positions. Pretty fucking simple. Turk denied 136 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.500 any dishonesty and according to the judgment says, Isbelin made 137 00:08:56.539 --> 00:08:58.600 her gift to the then Duke of York on her 138 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:01.940 own initiative and for her own reasons. Well, look, I 139 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:04.259 have no idea who's telling the truth and who's not. 140 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:07.340 One thing I do know though, is Andrew ain't turning 141 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.899 down a bag. Not a chance. In summary, he alleges 142 00:09:11.960 --> 00:09:15.899 that by the 15th of November of 2019, Mrs. Blin 143 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:18.879 had developed the perception that the Duke of York, through 144 00:09:18.899 --> 00:09:21.789 his connections in Turkey, might be able to assist her 145 00:09:21.830 --> 00:09:25.409 husband in prison there. Johnson wrote, in order, as she 146 00:09:25.450 --> 00:09:28.629 saw it, to create goodwill with the Duke, she arranged 147 00:09:28.669 --> 00:09:32.049 to make the gift referred to. That was nothing to 148 00:09:32.090 --> 00:09:37.190 do with any assistance regarding her Turkish passport. Johnson noted 149 00:09:37.250 --> 00:09:40.269 that Isbelin and Turk have tried to cast doubt on 150 00:09:40.289 --> 00:09:43.879 each other's reliability as witnesses. It'll be up to the 151 00:09:43.929 --> 00:09:46.899 court to determine the facts, so I don't know enough 152 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:50.220 about either of those people to give you a solid 153 00:09:50.539 --> 00:09:54.809 breakdown one way or the other. But Prince Andrew being involved? 154 00:09:55.909 --> 00:09:59.549 My guess is there was criminality. Turk alleged in his 155 00:09:59.649 --> 00:10:04.179 own witness statements that Mountbatten-Windsor and Sarah Ferguson, the royal's ex-wife, 156 00:10:04.639 --> 00:10:07.700 joined him at a dinner with Isbelin, at which her 157 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:11.360 husband's imprisonment was discussed, along with a possible gift to 158 00:10:11.379 --> 00:10:15.830 Princess Beatrice, Mountbatten-Windsor's daughter. It's a family affair, is it? 159 00:10:18.409 --> 00:10:20.000 Give my daughter a few bucks and maybe I'll give 160 00:10:20.019 --> 00:10:21.879 you some access. You want to come sit on the 161 00:10:21.899 --> 00:10:26.120 Queen's throne? Get the Ghislaine Maxwell package? That'll cost you 162 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:31.139 500 grand. At dinner, Miss Isbelin indicated she was intending 163 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:34.669 to make a small gift for Princess Beatrice's forthcoming wedding,

164 00:10:35.149 --> 00:10:39.169 according to Turk's evidence summarized in Johnson's judgment. The Duke 165 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:44.490 offered certain information that he indicated he had obtained about Mr. Isbelin, 166 00:10:45.009 --> 00:10:47.950 including as to the specific nature of of the allegations 167 00:10:47.990 --> 00:10:51.220 against him. So how is Andrew so locked in, to 168 00:10:51.240 --> 00:10:57.860 Turkish politics? Can somebody answer that question please? According to Turk, Mountbatten-Windsor, 169 00:10:58.139 --> 00:11:01.919 later indicated no gift was expected, but Isbelin, gave the 170 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:06.750 money anyway, in November of 2019. At a meeting with 171 00:11:06.789 --> 00:11:11.090 the Duke, four or five days later, Miss Isbelin, called Mr. Turk. Mr. 172 00:11:11.129 --> 00:11:13.870 Turk says, he passed his phone to the Duke, who 173 00:11:13.889 --> 00:11:17.690 thanked Miss Isbelin, for her gift. Johnson wrote in his summary, 174 00:11:18.350 --> 00:11:21.460 following that, Mr. Turk says he had further meetings with 175 00:11:21.539 --> 00:11:26.279 the Duke at which they discussed Mr. Isbellin's case. So 176 00:11:26.940 --> 00:11:30.720 who knows, right? Did Andrew say that he could help out? Probably. 177 00:11:31.179 --> 00:11:33.669 Did he get paid for some kind of nonsense? Probably. 178 00:11:34.309 --> 00:11:36.690 Will the court be able to prove that? Who knows? 179 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:41.899 That's the real question, right? The court is also considering 180 00:11:41.950 --> 00:11:47.129 claims of an additional loan of more than £ 768, 000, also 181 00:11:47.190 --> 00:11:49.950 said to have been made in connection with the ski chalet. 182 00:11:51.110 --> 00:11:54.450 At one stage, Ms. Isbelin had sought to sue Mountbatten-Windsor, 183 00:11:54.750 --> 00:11:56.950 but the pair settled out of court and produced a 184 00:11:56.990 --> 00:12:00.370 set of agreed facts noting that none of the recipients 185 00:12:00.490 --> 00:12:05.230 ever communicated with Ms. Isbelin directly. All of the recipients dealt, 186 00:12:05.529 --> 00:12:09.090 so far as relevant, only with Mr. Turk. Alright, so 187 00:12:09.129 --> 00:12:14.419 if I had to make a guess... Mr. Turk is cooked. Mr. 188 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:19.610 Turk is now a turkey, because he's fucked. All fingers 189 00:12:19.639 --> 00:12:22.529 pointing to him, and if you think Prince Andrew is 190 00:12:22.549 --> 00:12:26.690 going to go down, you got another thing coming. The 191 00:12:26.730 --> 00:12:29.269 judgment noted that a witness served with a witness summons 192 00:12:29.629 --> 00:12:32.409 may apply to have it set aside or varied, and 193 00:12:32.500 --> 00:12:34.759 one option for the former prince is to try to 194 00:12:34.820 --> 00:12:38.059 submit a written statement in place of answering questions in court. 195 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:44.340 Alan Maidment, consultant of the head of regulatory at MSB Solicitors, 196 00:12:44.740 --> 00:12:49.279 told Newsweek by email, the prospect of Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor given 197 00:12:49.460 --> 00:12:53.250 evidence before the high court will undoubtedly attract significant public 198 00:12:53.570 --> 00:12:57.470 and media interest, particularly given the allegations of civil fraud 199 00:12:57.909 --> 00:13:00.490 at the center of the proceedings. Well, considering what he's 200 00:13:00.509 --> 00:13:04.990 being accused of, this is highly relevant. If this guy's 201 00:13:05.029 --> 00:13:07.129 engaging in this kind of fraud here, do you think 202 00:13:07.149 --> 00:13:12.789 he wasn't doing it with his pal Jeffrey Epstein? However, 203 00:13:13.330 --> 00:13:15.889 his former royal status does not place him above the 204 00:13:15.929 --> 00:13:18.409 law or prevent him from being called as a witness 205 00:13:18.710 --> 00:13:21.889 and questioned about his involvement in the matters before the court. 206 00:13:22.889 --> 00:13:25.710 Questioning would be focused solely on the issues relevant to 207 00:13:25.750 --> 00:13:29.169 the case and would not stray into some of the 208 00:13:29.250 --> 00:13:33.259 other more high-profile allegations against him and his friendship with 209 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.059 Epstein will be off the table. While many may be 210 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:40.279 hoping for a revealing insight into the former prince's affairs, 211 00:13:41.210 --> 00:13:43.470 The court will be focused on the facts relevant to 212 00:13:43.490 --> 00:13:47.450 the case, rather than wider questions surrounding his personal life, 213 00:13:47.830 --> 00:13:50.889 Maidman said. The judge will have the power to restrict 214 00:13:50.929 --> 00:13:54.940 questioning to matters directly relevant to the proceedings, and there 215 00:13:54.980 --> 00:13:57.399 may also be efforts to limit his evidence to a 216 00:13:57.440 --> 00:14:01.019 written witness statement. It remains to be seen whether his 217 00:14:01.100 --> 00:14:04.559 evidence will raise further questions about his judgment and actions, 218 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:08.220 but one thing is certain, taking the witness stand would 219 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:12.039 be an uncomfortable prospect for the former prince. Well, there's 220 00:14:12.090 --> 00:14:14.269 no doubt, but maybe it'll be a dry run for him, 221 00:14:14.889 --> 00:14:19.789 because I think worse is on the way. Johnson's judgment 222 00:14:19.850 --> 00:14:22.529 gives a detailed account of what Turk's attorney wants to 223 00:14:22.629 --> 00:14:26.529 ask Mountbatten-Windsor, including evidence that Mr. Turk discussed the issue 224 00:14:26.990 --> 00:14:31.879 of Ms. Isbelin's imprisonment with the Duke at various points 225 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:37.039 from October 2019 onwards. Evidence that the then-Duke attended a 226 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:42.230 dinner at which Ms. Isbelin's situation was discussed. Evidence that 227 00:14:42.250 --> 00:14:46.870 discussions about Mr. Isbelin continued after the dinner. Evidence that 228 00:14:46.889 --> 00:14:50.549 the Duke thanked Miss Isbelin on the telephone for the 229 00:14:50.590 --> 00:14:54.870 gifts she had made, i.e. the $ 750, 000 paid on the 230 00:14:55.049 --> 00:14:59.309 15th of November 2019. Evidence that there was a discussion 231 00:14:59.629 --> 00:15:02.889 with the then-Duke about a loan from Miss Isbelin to 232 00:15:02.909 --> 00:15:06.149 be used in connection with the Swiss Chalet. Evidence that Mr. 233 00:15:06.250 --> 00:15:10.320 Mountbatten-Windsor was aware from Mr. Turk that Ms. Isbelin was 234 00:15:10.360 --> 00:15:14.539 extremely eager to make both the gift and the loan. Additionally, 235 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:17.330 there would be questions about what the then-Duke in fact 236 00:15:17.350 --> 00:15:21.570 did to obtain information about or to assist Ms. Isbelin 237 00:15:21.629 --> 00:15:24.990 in Turkey, and his knowledge or belief as to Ms. 238 00:15:25.090 --> 00:15:31.610 Isbelin's expectations, involvement, and control over transactions referenced above. We're 239 00:15:31.669 --> 00:15:35.230 pleased that permission has been granted, as it's important that 240 00:15:35.269 --> 00:15:38.110 the court has a full and evidential picture as possible. 241 00:15:38.809 --> 00:15:41.389 We understand this to be the first time since the 242 00:15:41.429 --> 00:15:45.110 then Prince of Wales, the future Edward VII, in the 243 00:15:45.470 --> 00:15:49.429 Mordaunt divorce case in 70, 1870, that a member of 244 00:15:49.470 --> 00:15:51.970 the royal family will be subject to a witness summons. 245 00:15:52.750 --> 00:15:56.220 Turk's attorney at Jane Solicitors welcomed the summons in an 246 00:15:56.299 --> 00:16:00.700 online statement. The judge concluded that the proposed evidence that Mr. 247 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:05.039 Turk wishes to adduce from Mr. Mountbatten-Windsor appears relevant to 248 00:16:05.120 --> 00:16:10.159 allegations of dishonesty advanced against Mr. Turk. And that, in circumstances, 249 00:16:10.679 --> 00:16:13.169 it would be unfair and unjust to prevent him from 250 00:16:13.210 --> 00:16:16.750 seeking to adduce that evidence at trial. Alright folks, so 251 00:16:16.789 --> 00:16:20.210 there's where things stand as far as Prince Andrew and 252 00:16:20.269 --> 00:16:25.289 the situation with the alleged Turkish fraudster. And like usual, 253 00:16:25.629 --> 00:16:27.690 when we have some more to add, we'll get that 254 00:16:27.769 --> 00:16:31.139 added to the catalog. All the information that goes with 255 00:16:31.220 --> 00:16:34.039 this episode can be found in the description box.