النص الكامل لحلقة Mike Sullivan

for the demo, and he's so engaging, he's so much fun, he's so funny, but it's also his enthusiasm for magic. 00:02:45.967 --> 00:03:02.305 Now you'll probably know that he works a lot with wayne dobson and hopefully we're going to get wayne on one of these one day soon uh, with mike's help, of course, and hopefully it'll be interesting to see if mike can guess what wayne's list is going to. 00:03:02.305 --> 00:03:03.306 Maybe that's what we'll do. 00:03:03.306 --> 00:03:04.408 We'll play a little game. 00:03:04.408 --> 00:03:06.454 So I'm going to stop babbling. 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.947 Today's guest is the wonderful Mike Sullivan. 00:03:09.947 --> 00:03:12.592 Hi Mike, hello mate, how are you? 00:03:12.592 --> 00:03:13.622 I'm very well. 00:03:13.622 --> 00:03:14.383 Thank you, how are you? 00:03:14.383 --> 00:03:15.506 I'm good. 00:03:15.506 --> 00:03:18.112 I'm good, excited this is good. 00:03:26.419 --> 00:03:27.925 Well, we've been trying to get you on here for ages and ages and ages. 00:03:27.925 --> 00:03:28.949 Yes, I know, I know it's so busy at the moment. 00:03:28.968 --> 00:03:29.992 It's good to be here and, yes, we'll have some fun. 00:03:29.992 --> 00:03:32.580 Yeah, well, I'm really interested to see what your list comprises of now. 00:03:32.580 --> 00:03:38.960 The regular listeners know that I tend to have a guess at what I think people are going to pick. 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:43.567 My guess is there has to be at least one dobson trick in here. 00:03:43.567 --> 00:03:45.270 At least one. 00:03:45.270 --> 00:03:49.415 There's two, oh, there's two, okay, right. 00:03:49.415 --> 00:03:56.248 So if you're listening to this which you are, because that's what this is why don't we all have a guess? 00:03:56.580 --> 00:04:00.006 So why don't we guess what two Dobson tricks you would have put on there? 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:02.406 Should we leave them till the last, then? 00:04:02.967 --> 00:04:04.526 Yeah, leave those till the last. 00:04:04.526 --> 00:04:06.780 I think. 00:04:06.780 --> 00:04:09.502 See, oh yeah, there's just so many good Wayne Dobson tricks as well. 00:04:09.502 --> 00:04:11.965 Have a think what you think Mike is going to put in there. 00:04:11.965 --> 00:04:15.361 So we're going to give everyone a little synopsis. 00:04:15.401 --> 00:04:31.204 So if this is your first time joining us, the idea is that we're about to maroon Mike on his own island when he's there, he's allowed to take 8 tricks, 1 book and 1 non-magic item that he uses for magic particulars, like if there are sea turtles there, or whatever weird things he wants to put on his island. 00:04:31.204 --> 00:04:33.331 It's all in his own imagination. 00:04:33.331 --> 00:04:37.184 Uh, it's basically the list of tricks that he could not live without. 00:04:37.184 --> 00:04:43.766 So, with that being said, mike, let's whisk you away to your island and find out what you put in your first position a, a pack of cards. 00:04:43.766 --> 00:04:45.612 Everyone knows what I'm about to do. 00:04:45.612 --> 00:04:48.949 I'm about to be devil's advocate, but why a deck of cards first? 00:04:49.740 --> 00:05:06.028 Well, first of all, deck of cards allows you to do hundreds, if not thousands, of tricks, which sort of goes against the grain of Desert Island Discs 8 Tricks Only. 00:05:06.028 --> 00:05:11.913 But I think a deck of cards is the epitome of a magician. 00:05:11.913 --> 00:05:18.206 I mean, if a magician turned up without a deck of cards, you'd think they're saying it wrong. 00:05:18.206 --> 00:05:26.810 Even if they have them in their pocket and they just do iPad magic or Rubik's Cube magic, they will always have a deck of cards. 00:05:26.810 --> 00:05:36.630 I mean, as I grew up as a, as a kid and certainly into teenage years, uh, the amount of magicians that would say always carry a deck of cards. 00:05:36.630 --> 00:05:38.860 Not so much nowadays. 00:05:38.860 --> 00:05:46.670 People have different ways of showing magic, but um it, my first thing would be to carry a deck of cards. 00:05:46.670 --> 00:05:49.947 There's one trick I would always do with that deck of cards. 00:05:49.947 --> 00:05:57.983 The one routine would I would do and this will surprise you is etienne predier's card to pocket routine. 00:05:57.983 --> 00:06:23.588 I saw him literally, oh, 20 years ago, at least 20 years ago and I was so taken back by the amount of magic content that it had in just one card trick, which was basically, you know, a version of ambitious card, if you like, where it just kept coming back and it disappeared. 00:06:23.588 --> 00:06:25.612 And it came back and it disappeared. 00:06:25.612 --> 00:06:47.420 So I bought his lecture notes, I learned the moves and I've been doing it ever since and it is one of those tricks that I think personally has got me more bookings, and the structure of the trick itself itself, if you really study his manuscript. 00:06:47.420 --> 00:06:50.607 And then obviously he bought it out on video later on. 00:06:51.228 --> 00:06:56.329 Um, there's so much misdirection in there, it doesn't matter if people see it two or three times. 00:06:56.329 --> 00:07:02.906 They still can't understand how the card gets in the pocket, how the deck ends up in the pocket. 00:07:02.906 --> 00:07:15.026 There's some great moves in it, one of them being the Bernard Billis watch still, and that is I mean that alone. 00:07:15.026 --> 00:07:19.701 If you was to do that move alone, that's brilliant, yeah. 00:07:19.701 --> 00:07:29.524 But to incorporate it into a whole routine that Etienne has obviously sat down and thought about, I've added my take to it as well. 00:07:29.524 --> 00:07:37.930 There's certain things that didn't work for me that Etienne did and I've shown Etienne and he loves it. 00:07:37.930 --> 00:07:38.891 He thinks it's great. 00:07:38.891 --> 00:07:43.266 But you know you have to put your mark on all the magic you do. 00:07:43.266 --> 00:07:46.132 You can't just do what

the instructions say. 00:07:46.132 --> 00:07:51.612 So that would be the one trick that I would always do Great choice. 00:07:52.442 --> 00:07:54.730 I love the card under watch move. 00:07:54.730 --> 00:07:56.165 It's just brilliant. 00:07:56.165 --> 00:07:57.464 It's such a good move. 00:07:57.464 --> 00:08:01.687 Yeah, it's a great opening gambit there, and it does take us on to number two. 00:08:01.687 --> 00:08:03.266 So what did you put in your second position? 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:09.793 My second position can a blank face deck of cards count as a trick? 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:13.509 It can, as long as you give us a routine with it. 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:19.492 So we'll go to another great magician and demonstrator, mark Mason. 00:08:19.492 --> 00:08:26.413 And the reason I always use a blank face deck of cards is I never get a card signed out of a deck of cards. 00:08:26.413 --> 00:08:33.513 So I my my opening line and I'm sure if people want to use it, they can use it. 00:08:33.513 --> 00:08:34.942 I have no issue is? 00:08:34.942 --> 00:08:38.952 I walk up to people and you know they say how do you introduce yourself? 00:08:38.952 --> 00:08:44.601 So I walk up with a deck of cards in my hands and I say hi, I'm Mike, I'm a magician. 00:08:44.601 --> 00:08:48.172 I was booked by science, scienceo to come and entertain you for two minutes. 00:08:49.442 --> 00:08:53.549 I have a deck of cards here I would like most magicians would ask you to pick one. 00:08:53.549 --> 00:08:57.826 I don't want you to pick one, I want you to make me one. 00:08:57.826 --> 00:09:04.226 And then I say I pull out a blank faced card and I say I know the guy who makes these cards. 00:09:04.226 --> 00:09:06.542 The backs are the same but the front is blank. 00:09:06.542 --> 00:09:17.928 Give them a pen and say I want you to draw anything you like, make it as unique as possible and that's what I use in etienne's routine. 00:09:18.428 --> 00:09:20.652 So it's not a regular card. 00:09:20.652 --> 00:09:30.830 Um, I do use the aces a lot for certain tricks, um, so I don't want them to pick an ace, for instance, and then that buggers it up. 00:09:30.830 --> 00:09:39.923 Yes, I could use the kings or the queens or whatever, but inevitably when you ask someone to pick a card, they always pick the best ones and you've got no control over it. 00:09:39.923 --> 00:09:48.895 So using a blank face card is actually keeping the deck in order and I can use it for other tricks. 00:09:48.895 --> 00:09:54.871 So that's why I would also then take a blank face deck of cards. 00:09:54.871 --> 00:10:03.375 Mind you, that only gives me 104 goes at the trick, because 52 will be blank deck and then 52 would have to be signed. 00:10:03.375 --> 00:10:09.078 So it's not many, um hey ho, it's a. 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:09.740 Yeah, it's great. 00:10:09.740 --> 00:10:10.943 Do you get them to? 00:10:10.943 --> 00:10:15.943 So you get them to draw the design of a playing card onto the blank face definitely not. 00:10:16.144 --> 00:10:18.230 That is the one thing I try them. 00:10:18.230 --> 00:10:27.100 I try to get them not to do because inevitably they will say to me oh, do you want me to draw the four spades or something? 00:10:27.100 --> 00:10:30.869 And I go, no, no, no, I want you to draw something that you want to draw. 00:10:30.869 --> 00:10:33.966 So you could draw this guy standing here look, with his glass. 00:10:33.966 --> 00:10:35.533 You can draw those flowers over there. 00:10:35.533 --> 00:10:38.822 You can draw absolutely anything you want. 00:10:38.822 --> 00:10:40.625 Keep it clean, sir. 00:10:40.625 --> 00:10:44.791 It's a familyably. 00:10:44.850 --> 00:11:12.350 If I'm doing a late night gig, we get all sorts, but then I've got two of those cards, or you want me to pick that card? 00:11:12.350 --> 00:11:15.138 You know, people aren't stupid anymore, they've. 00:11:15.138 --> 00:11:16.822 They watch youtube and stuff like that. 00:11:16.822 --> 00:11:33.259 So getting them to draw me something that is totally unique and on the spot at that present moment means there's no way on this earth that I could duplicate it or I could force them it and it makes the magic that much stronger. 00:11:33.259 --> 00:11:39.211 When it goes in my pocket, comes out my pocket, the deck disappears, all it goes under. 00:11:39.211 --> 00:11:41.822 My watch does this, does that and it. 00:11:41.822 --> 00:11:51.534 It just makes it stronger, and so that's why I would take a blank face deck of cards with me as well. 00:11:53.581 --> 00:12:00.639 Okay, great, and would you use a normal deck but then put a blank card in there, or would you use the entire blank deck? 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:10.711 Yeah, so I introduce the blank card, explain to them that the backs are exactly the same, so I wouldn't know the difference between their card and the cards in the deck. 00:12:10.711 --> 00:12:13.288 If they want to examine them, let them do it. 00:12:13.288 --> 00:12:15.047 I mean, it's completely examinable. 00:12:15.047 --> 00:12:23.870 They can check to make sure there's no marks on it, but the face will never be seen, so it'll only be seen at the reveal times. 00:12:23.870 --> 00:12:26.427 But they will know it's their card. 00:12:26.427 --> 00:12:32.710 They will know 100% without any doubt that it's their card and nobody else's. 00:12:32.710 --> 00:12:38.308 I've not used the duplicate, I've not forced the card onto them or anything like that. 00:12:38.308 --> 00:12:39.332 They know it's theirs. 00:12:39.332 --> 00:12:42.984 So that does make the magic so much more stronger. 00:12:42.984 --> 00:12:45.631 And then obviously, they get to keep it at the end. 00:12:46.041 --> 00:12:48.570 And that was all inspired by Mark Mason. 00:12:48.570 --> 00:12:56.725 He always used to carry a few blank face cards in his top pocket for that reason and that reason alone. 00:12:56.725 --> 00:13:02.107 And that was to say look, you know, most tech

magicians will ask you to pick a card. 00:13:02.107 --> 00:13:02.910 I'm not going to do that. 00:13:02.910 --> 00:13:04.206 I want you to make me a card. 00:13:04.206 --> 00:13:07.970 I mean, it's a great line and they do get taken aback by it. 00:13:07.970 --> 00:13:08.490 They're like what? 00:13:08.490 --> 00:13:10.626 And it makes it interesting as well. 00:13:10.626 --> 00:13:16.049 You've got to make your magic interesting, especially when you're doing it live, not on TikTok or anything like that. 00:13:16.049 --> 00:13:18.539 You've got to engage with the audience. 00:13:18.539 --> 00:13:21.951 The first rule of thumb is to connect. 00:13:26.620 --> 00:13:27.442 If you don't connect, they don't care. 00:13:27.442 --> 00:13:29.167 Yeah, that's great, great second choice, and it leads us nicely into number three. 00:13:29.167 --> 00:13:30.630 So what did you put in your third position? 00:13:30.630 --> 00:13:32.143 Coins across. 00:13:32.783 --> 00:13:38.196 So obviously it'll be four coins and, um, I love coins across. 00:13:38.196 --> 00:13:47.000 Um, so I do a version that uses, uh, a gimmick, but it's not the usual gimmick, so one of the coins is a backflip. 00:13:47.000 --> 00:14:07.153 The reason I I love coins across issues is done in the spectators and it goes from my hand to the spectators and, and because of the gimmick that one of the phases is visual, so they see the coin disappear and appear on the spectators hands, you can't pay for that kind of reaction. 00:14:07.153 --> 00:14:10.590 I mean, people lose their minds. 00:14:10.590 --> 00:14:13.384 Yeah, they try to. 00:14:13.384 --> 00:14:17.013 They try to dissemble it and work out how it's done. 00:14:17.013 --> 00:14:21.379 Well, you're so skillful with coins, you must have flicked it across really fast. 00:14:21.379 --> 00:14:29.001 Well, no, I didn't flicked it across really fast. 00:14:29.001 --> 00:14:29.342 Well, no, I didn't. 00:14:29.342 --> 00:14:33.697 Um, I've had people ask me to take my jacket off because they think it goes up up my arm, across my manly chest, down the other arm. 00:14:33.697 --> 00:14:35.581 You know all that sort of stuff. 00:14:35.581 --> 00:14:41.913 And it's the third phase, so it's the second to last, the penultimate phase. 00:14:42.725 --> 00:14:46.423 Um, people have said to me that have seen it, said why don't you do it as a last phase? 00:14:46.423 --> 00:14:55.544 I want them to be, I want the third phase is the last phase is weaker always has been in coins across. 00:14:55.544 --> 00:14:58.551 But I don't want them to remember the last phase. 00:14:58.551 --> 00:15:19.760 I want them to remember the routine as a whole and that bit where that coin just disappeared out of his hand and appeared in my hand and um, and I should say hand, sorry it's my uh, my uh, south london accent, but um, I love it, I love it. 00:15:19.760 --> 00:15:20.543 I love it to bits. 00:15:20.623 --> 00:15:21.144 It's great. 00:15:21.144 --> 00:15:24.188 It's got

a bit of david roff in it, obviously. 00:15:24.188 --> 00:15:31.629 Um, craig petty did a great dvd called flipped, so it's got a bit of that in it. 00:15:31.629 --> 00:15:38.865 It all culminates into one routine and, uh, people, people lose their mind over it. 00:15:38.865 --> 00:15:41.630 It is literally, you know, spectacular. 00:15:41.630 --> 00:15:42.754 It's like camera trickery. 00:15:42.754 --> 00:15:48.409 It's the nearest and closest you're going to get to actual special effects without using special effects. 00:15:48.409 --> 00:15:49.932 I love it to bits. 00:15:49.932 --> 00:15:51.322 I can't recommend it enough. 00:15:51.322 --> 00:15:53.005 A lot of people don't get on with the gimmick. 00:15:53.005 --> 00:15:55.721 Eric jones has done some great stuff with it. 00:15:55.721 --> 00:16:00.226 So, yeah, coins across is my third choice. 00:16:01.227 --> 00:16:01.548 Great. 00:16:01.548 --> 00:16:08.164 Now one of the biggest debates when it comes to coins across, which sounds really sad, but you know we're magicians. 00:16:08.164 --> 00:16:11.796 Um, what, what coin do you prefer to use? 00:16:11.796 --> 00:16:14.785 Do you prefer to go for a larger coin when using coins across? 00:16:14.785 --> 00:16:23.210 So, because some people think it's more visual using a larger coin, whereas some people think that it brings focus on a coin if it's slightly smaller. 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:25.214 So what's your view on that? 00:16:26.941 --> 00:16:28.226 I'll let you into a little secret. 00:16:28.226 --> 00:16:35.552 With coins I practice the routine with every shape and size. 00:16:35.552 --> 00:16:41.051 So it doesn't matter what coin I've got, I'll use it. 00:16:41.051 --> 00:16:44.562 So I've gone from dollars to half dollars, I'll use it. 00:16:44.562 --> 00:16:45.522 So I've gone from dollars to half dollars. 00:16:45.522 --> 00:16:50.163 I've got 50 P's, 10 P's, two pound coins. 00:16:50.163 --> 00:16:51.985 I've done them all. 00:16:51.985 --> 00:16:58.788 If the gimmick is made in that particular coin, I've got it and I've practiced it with it. 00:16:58.788 --> 00:17:03.850 So it just goes it. 00:17:03.850 --> 00:17:06.692 Just I don't know how to explain it. 00:17:06.791 --> 00:17:11.074 I'm a bit anal when it comes to things like learning a routine. 00:17:11.074 --> 00:17:18.616 If a routine goes into my repertoire, I would like to think that I am good at all aspects of it. 00:17:18.616 --> 00:17:30.209 So if there are versions of it, I will get as many versions as I think I need to be good at it. 00:17:30.209 --> 00:17:41.894 I've had, I've had things where people have gone I mean Gary Jones has got a fantastic, fantastic switch where you think you've you've examined all the coins, ok, and I learned that from his free fly routine. 00:17:41.894 --> 00:17:54.147 You've examined all the coins, okay, and I learned that from his free fly routine, and I use that for coins across. 00:17:54.147 --> 00:18:13.005 And I've had people actually say use my two pound coin, use my 50 P, use my 10 P and rather than go oh no, it's okay, you know you can only see a trick once, that sort of trick Use my 10p and rather than go oh no, it's okay, you know you can only see a trick once, that sort of trick you can show over and over again, they will never get it. 00:18:13.005 --> 00:18:19.325 I take the coins so I'm covering my bases. 00:18:19.325 --> 00:18:20.147 That's what I'm doing. 00:18:28.819 --> 00:18:45.271 Being a salesman, growing up as a salesman, uh, talking to people all my life, uh, and interacting with people, I've I've taken those skills and put them into magic and I think, you know, sometimes people worry too much about what ifs, what ifs don't exist, so don't worry about them. 00:18:45.271 --> 00:18:48.075 You know that, that you know what if. 00:18:48.075 --> 00:18:48.635 What if? 00:18:48.635 --> 00:18:49.276 I mean? 00:18:49.276 --> 00:19:07.967 Um, recently, uh, wayne and I had a debate about people, um, examining props and he made a very good uh point about that and he said the only people that ask to examine props, or can it be examined, are magicians. 00:19:07.967 --> 00:19:14.900 Yeah, not spectators, standard lay people. 00:19:14.900 --> 00:19:16.023 They don't ask it. 00:19:16.023 --> 00:19:26.968 If you do the trick right and you've put in all the steps before you do the trick, you will not be asked. 00:19:26.968 --> 00:19:29.307 Nobody asked to examine the coins. 00:19:29.307 --> 00:19:30.744 Nobody ever does. 00:19:31.267 --> 00:19:33.166 You know I'm not talking about coins that given to me. 00:19:33.166 --> 00:19:34.925 I'm talking about my coins. 00:19:34.925 --> 00:19:36.049 I have a line. 00:19:36.049 --> 00:19:38.630 Can you tell me what these are? 00:19:38.630 --> 00:19:40.279 They're four, two pound coins. 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:41.844 That's my preferred coin of choice. 00:19:41.923 --> 00:19:49.051 If, if you want to um a coin cause we live in the uk and if you bring out half dollars, people go half dollars. 00:19:49.051 --> 00:19:49.432 What are they? 00:19:49.432 --> 00:19:52.102 Um, and most people haven't been to america. 00:19:52.102 --> 00:19:57.839 But, um, if, if you bring out for two pound coins and I go uh, can you tell me what they are? 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:03.809 For two pound coins, eight pounds, yes, that's my kebab money for when I leave here. 00:20:03.809 --> 00:20:06.515 You know, you put a little laugh on the end of it. 00:20:07.903 --> 00:20:10.574 Uh, everybody says, oh, I collect two pounds, can I keep them? 00:20:10.574 --> 00:20:15.807 And I go no, I've got another hundred times to do this point to the rest of the venue. 00:20:15.807 --> 00:20:20.121 Um, so again, it's another thing that stops them in their tracks. 00:20:20.121 --> 00:20:22.182 But they've, they've seen the coins. 00:20:22.182 --> 00:20:23.403 They haven't touched them. 00:20:23.403 --> 00:20:24.704 They're on the table. 00:20:24.704 --> 00:20:28.627 If I haven't

got a table, I'll put them in their hands. 00:20:28.627 --> 00:20:34.472 I mean, they don't sit there and go oh, they are two-pound coins. 00:20:34.472 --> 00:20:36.094 They use them every day. 00:20:36.094 --> 00:20:37.894 They've seen them every single day. 00:20:37.894 --> 00:20:40.356 They don't need to look into them. 00:20:40.356 --> 00:20:45.332 They don't even know what I'm going to do with them yet. 00:20:45.352 --> 00:20:46.656 So why would they need to look at them? 00:20:46.656 --> 00:20:53.248 And by the time I finish the trick, they think they've seen them, they think they've examined them. 00:20:53.248 --> 00:20:54.111 They won't ask me to examine them again. 00:20:54.111 --> 00:21:10.151 It's, it's psychology, it is psychology, it's psychology yourselves, if you, if you can uh make people, if you think that they're gimmicked it's the only way I can think, uh explaining this they're gonna pick that up. 00:21:10.151 --> 00:21:22.372 If, if you don't, if you think they're two pound coins, they're two pound coins, you know, and they're not going to question you any other way. 00:21:22.372 --> 00:21:26.359 And so this idea of, oh, can it be examined? 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:33.876 And I get this all the time when I'm dealing them in um, my question. 00:21:33.876 --> 00:21:36.362 Then I hit back with a question say why? 00:21:36.362 --> 00:21:38.726 Why does it need to be examined? 00:21:38.726 --> 00:21:48.011 But it's a thing that people have, it's a psyche that the magic community have picked up and they can't shake it off. 00:21:48.011 --> 00:21:50.967 I wish they could, because you don't need to examine stuff. 00:21:50.967 --> 00:21:56.521 I mean, how many times when you perform do you get someone saying can I have a look at that? 00:21:58.605 --> 00:22:00.028 Very, very rarely yeah. 00:22:00.409 --> 00:22:01.090 Very rarely. 00:22:01.090 --> 00:22:31.093 So if, if you do get that a lot, then you need to look at your performance and the way you introduce the trick, because that's where the weakness is, in my opinion I'm not saying this is gospel, but in my opinion and in Wayne's, wayne's got the same thing If you've not sold the trick or the props before you started, then that's where the weakness lies and that's what you've got to do. 00:22:31.093 --> 00:22:47.502 Obviously, there are tricks that you buy that can be examined, but you treat them exactly the same as tricks that can't be examined and therefore, when they say can I examine them, you go yeah, sure, but I'm a risk taker as well. 00:22:47.502 --> 00:22:52.009 I give them gimmicks and I've never been caught. 00:22:52.009 --> 00:23:05.453 Never been caught, and I think that's because of the foundation I've set before I do the trick, because you know if they think there's a trapdoor, they'll look for one. 00:23:07.558 --> 00:23:11.476 Yeah, if they think there's a wire, they'll look for one. 00:23:11.476 --> 00:23:20.795 But if you, um, if you treat it that there isn't a wire or there isn't a trap door, they're not going to look for it. 00:23:20.795 --> 00:23:24.920 They only take off what's coming from you, not from anybody else. 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:33.670 Um, you have one or two exceptions, people that just don't like to be fooled because it interferes with their intelligence or whatever. 00:23:33.670 --> 00:23:38.234 But, um again, you can deal with those by making them part of your act. 00:23:38.234 --> 00:23:44.695 It's just life experience, to be honest with you, that's all it is. 00:23:44.695 --> 00:23:51.273 Anyway, I've waffled on far too long on that, but Coins Across is my fourth choice. 00:23:51.964 --> 00:23:53.049 Yeah, it's a great choice. 00:23:53.049 --> 00:24:01.457 And yeah, you made some really, really interesting points there, especially when it comes to handing gaffes to the general public. 00:24:01.457 --> 00:24:05.375 If they're assuming something is normal, then to them it's normal. 00:24:05.375 --> 00:24:06.630 They don't know what they're looking for. 00:24:06.630 --> 00:24:08.692 So that brings us on to number four. 00:24:08.692 --> 00:24:09.865 What's in your fourth position? 00:24:10.205 --> 00:24:15.657 Fourth choice is a trick called Back to the Future by Wayne Dobson. 00:24:15.657 --> 00:24:21.536 Now, nobody will know what it is because it hasn't been released yet. 00:24:21.536 --> 00:24:24.413 It's going to be released at Blackpool. 00:24:24.413 --> 00:24:41.491 I've been road testing this trick for the best part of 15 months now, of 15 months now, and it's one of those tricks that has all the elements. 00:24:41.593 --> 00:24:42.393 It's a card trick. 00:24:42.393 --> 00:24:52.761 It is a card trick and could have been my choice with the deck of cards, but it does have a gimmick. 00:24:52.761 --> 00:25:04.713 So, basically, you will spread out a deck of cards and they're in a new deck order, yeah, and you will say picture this moment. 00:25:04.713 --> 00:25:05.954 This is your future. 00:25:05.954 --> 00:25:20.090 Yeah, uh, the cards are then shuffled by the spectator spanned out and, uh, you have two spectators involved in this, uh, and they both pick a card, but they don't look at them quite yet. 00:25:20.090 --> 00:25:32.813 You then gather the cards up, uh, you ask the spectator to look at their card and remember it, and then show one another's card to one another so that, if you do forget, the other person will remember it. 00:25:32.813 --> 00:25:34.978 Show the audience whatever they want to do. 00:25:34.978 --> 00:25:45.856 The cards are then put back into the deck by the spectator and the magician then shows that there's nothing wrong with the box. 00:25:45.856 --> 00:25:47.131 Well, they handle everything. 00:25:47.131 --> 00:25:57.326 So you take the cards, you spread them out in front of you, you remove two cards and they match the spectators cards. 00:25:57.326 --> 00:26:02.765 You then ribbon, spread the cards again and they're all in new deck order. 00:26:02.765

--> 00:26:06.571 So that's why you go back to the future. 00:26:07.894 --> 00:26:08.335 Do you get it? 00:26:08.335 --> 00:26:09.115 Do you get it? 00:26:09.115 --> 00:26:09.717 It's good. 00:26:09.717 --> 00:26:11.380 Uh, I love the trick. 00:26:11.380 --> 00:26:13.528 It blows lay people away. 00:26:13.528 --> 00:26:18.459 They just don't understand because you show them a deck of cards that are in new deck order. 00:26:18.459 --> 00:26:39.482 You explain what new deck order is Ace to king, ace to king, ace to king, ace to king and then you get them to shuffle them, pick a card, and they can literally pick a card that they like, or they can randomly pick one out it's entirely up to them that they like or they can randomly pick one out, it's entirely up to them. 00:26:39.482 --> 00:26:50.513 Um, and then, um, uh, you, uh, you get them to put them back in the deck and then, yeah, you find the cards and then, when you spread it again, it's all back in new deck order. 00:26:50.534 --> 00:26:51.836 So, yeah, showed a few magicians. 00:26:51.836 --> 00:26:55.060 They're like wow, it's fantastic. 00:26:55.060 --> 00:27:02.494 I mean, this is Wayne's creative imagination and it started off as a completely different trick. 00:27:02.494 --> 00:27:07.896 It was completely different, but it's, I love it. 00:27:07.896 --> 00:27:09.404 So it's gone in my repertoire. 00:27:09.404 --> 00:27:15.373 It does mean you need a table and I do obviously pick my moments. 00:27:15.373 --> 00:27:24.372 You know, sometimes when someone asks me at the end of the night, oh, show us one more, and I've got, you know, a few people around and I want to sit down. 00:27:24.372 --> 00:27:25.830 Let me show you this. 00:27:25.830 --> 00:27:39.059 That's that kind of trick when I'm with family and friends and they want to see a trick, that's the trick I'll do, because there's no way of working out how it's done when I'm with family and friends and they want to see a trick. 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.065 that's the trick I'll do, Because there's no way of working out how it's done. 00:27:41.065 --> 00:27:45.960 It's just that really special trick for that intimate group of people at the end of the night, something that will really play on their memory. 00:27:46.785 --> 00:27:50.096 Yeah, I've got a lot of them, but this one stands out. 00:27:50.096 --> 00:27:59.111 It was a eureka moment for Wayne and and I when we uh, when we sort of like messed about with the method. 00:27:59.111 --> 00:28:15.039 As I said before, it was a completely different trick before and, um, you know, again it's got that kind of like um camera trickery edge to it where you're sitting at a table and everything in. 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.710 Well, how the hell has he done that, you know? 00:28:17.710 --> 00:28:21.678 And, um, yeah, it's brilliant, it's brilliant. 00:28:21.678 --> 00:28:23.790 So that that is my fourth choice. 00:28:23.790 --> 00:28:24.930 I love it. 00:28:24.930 --> 00:28:34.891 I'm not going to speak too much about it because we want to do a big thing for Blackpool, but if you're in Blackpool, come to the stand and I'll damn it for you and you'll see how good it is. 00:28:34.891 --> 00:28:44.479 And then, obviously, the trailer will come out, and so on and so forth for people that can't get to Blackpool, but it will come out on the same day so they won't miss out. 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:45.980 Yeah, nice. 00:28:45.980 --> 00:28:47.882 It's always nice when we have one to look forward to. 00:28:47.882 --> 00:28:54.155 I know, on Darren's episode he mentioned a book that isn't out yet. 00:28:54.155 --> 00:28:58.152 Um, yeah, we had lots of messages of people saying you know who's bringing the book out, where's it coming out. 00:28:58.152 --> 00:29:06.145 So, yeah, it's always really nice to anticipate something coming out so we can look forward to it, uh, but that does bring us over your halfway point. 00:29:06.145 --> 00:29:09.611 So now we're on number five uh, number five. 00:29:10.151 --> 00:29:13.276 Uh might not be known by a lot of people. 00:29:13.276 --> 00:29:17.320 It's called the Legacy Fred Emergency Kit. 00:29:17.320 --> 00:29:32.858 This is by a guy called Sebastian with an H and he runs a magic company called Subdivided Studios in the States. 00:29:32.858 --> 00:29:41.539 Now, I met Sebastian at Magic Live live and he showed me this kit and I've used it ever since. 00:29:41.539 --> 00:29:57.596 It's a thread system that allows you to make your own loops, so I will have an infinite supply of loops, which means I have an infinite supply of magic. 00:29:57.596 --> 00:30:10.596 So I use loops all the time, I use invisible thread all the time and I do all sorts of things with it. 00:30:10.596 --> 00:30:12.308 Did you want a list? 00:30:13.732 --> 00:30:15.731 of stuff, so let's have one. 00:30:15.731 --> 00:30:17.319 So give us one. 00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:25.057 Your your main routine with loops, pk touch love it, especially at weddings. 00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:31.828 Um, you ask if the bride and groom are connected, you know, are they spiritual? 00:30:31.828 --> 00:30:34.996 You know, are they, uh, life partners? 00:30:34.996 --> 00:30:35.436 Are they? 00:30:35.436 --> 00:30:37.627 You know all that sort of stuff. 00:30:37.627 --> 00:30:53.573 And then you say, well, I'm just going to try a little experiment and I'll just do a standard pk chuck, touch where you know you, you touch them on the nose or whatever, or on the forehead, and, um, obviously get their permission first. 00:30:53.573 --> 00:30:55.037 You know, times have changed. 00:30:55.037 --> 00:30:58.214 Now you can't just go in and touch people's noses. 00:30:58.214 --> 00:31:00.452 You've got to ask them if it's okay. 00:31:00.452 --> 00:31:05.676 But again, the reaction I mean it's not so much the bride and groom. 00:31:05.676 --> 00:31:10.336 Well, the groom sees it, but the bride doesn't see anything. 00:31:10.336 --> 00:31:16.056 So she just feeds off

of the reaction of everybody else. 00:31:16.056 --> 00:31:17.987 They're all going he didn't touch you. 00:31:18.047 --> 00:31:22.180 He didn't do this, he did it, and they're going absolutely mad. 00:31:22.180 --> 00:31:24.226 So it's a fantastic little routine. 00:31:24.226 --> 00:31:26.190 There's so many different versions out there. 00:31:26.190 --> 00:31:31.549 Um, there are versions without the use of gimmicks, there are versions with the use of gimmick. 00:31:31.549 --> 00:31:42.234 I know you do a version without gimmicks, but when you're, it's really difficult, because I've tried to do the non-gimmick version and I panicked. 00:31:42.234 --> 00:31:47.076 I don't know why, but I did and it just put me off it. 00:31:47.076 --> 00:31:50.534 Maybe I should talk to you about it, we should have a chat. 00:31:50.534 --> 00:31:52.471 And then I saw Magic Ballet. 00:31:52.471 --> 00:31:59.011 I think it's in his penguin lecture, if anybody wants a reference, and, uh, check out his penguin lecture. 00:31:59.011 --> 00:31:59.772 It's fantastic. 00:31:59.772 --> 00:32:04.648 Anyway, he's another dem god and I've been doing that routine ever since. 00:32:04.648 --> 00:32:12.111 Obviously, again, I've put my touch and twist to it, but it is predominantly mostly magic ballets stuff. 00:32:12.111 --> 00:32:14.034 So, uh, I love it. 00:32:14.034 --> 00:32:19.192 So that's what I would take as my fifth choice is the emergency kit. 00:32:24.207 --> 00:32:27.178 Hello guys, I'm here to talk to you about Alakazam Unlimited. 00:32:27.178 --> 00:32:31.771 This is the best streaming platform in the world, I'm telling you now. 00:32:31.771 --> 00:32:40.574 With Alakazam Unlimited, you get access to over 150 magic routines this is video performances and explanations. 00:32:40.574 --> 00:32:47.434 We have card magic, coin magic, kids, magic rope, magic, mentalism, stage parlor, impromptu. 00:32:47.434 --> 00:32:48.979 We've got you covered. 00:32:48.979 --> 00:32:54.498 All of this for the low price of just £4.99 a month, and you can cancel at any time. 00:32:54.498 --> 00:32:56.707 Perfect if you've got commitment issues. 00:32:56.707 --> 00:32:58.952 Yes, I'm talking to you, Guys. 00:32:58.952 --> 00:33:00.195 You are going to absolutely love it. 00:33:00.195 --> 00:33:03.336 If you haven't joined the platform already, what the heck are you doing? 00:33:03.336 --> 00:33:07.873 Alakazam Unlimited is a streaming platform that you need to be a part of. 00:33:07.873 --> 00:33:12.347 Not only that, there is also exclusive content only available on the platform. 00:33:12.347 --> 00:33:13.269 Check it out now. 00:33:13.490 --> 00:33:23.281 Alakazamcouk cheers great well, that's a great number five as well. 00:33:23.281 --> 00:33:24.525 It's one that we've not had before. 00:33:24.525 --> 00:33:32.550 So if anyone does use loops, that's a really good one for people to go and check out, if if that's something that they think See. 00:33:33.173 --> 00:33:42.007 I thought,

being on a desert island yeah, I don't know if they'll have any natives or anything it would be. 00:33:42.007 --> 00:33:43.609 You know you could be the. 00:33:43.609 --> 00:33:51.212 You'll either be burnt or worshipped, yeah, so it's sort of like. 00:33:51.212 --> 00:33:59.999 It's sort of like covers both bases, so you don't have to be on it too long or you live like a god Happy days, great choice. 00:34:00.905 --> 00:34:02.392 So that does bring us to number six. 00:34:02.392 --> 00:34:04.010 So what's in your sixth position? 00:34:04.744 --> 00:34:10.277 My sixth position is Turbo Stick and all its incarnations. 00:34:10.277 --> 00:34:14.132 I suppose, like you know the move. 00:34:14.132 --> 00:34:16.211 But Turbo Stick is great. 00:34:16.211 --> 00:34:19.085 I've again, I've used it for years. 00:34:19.085 --> 00:34:31.585 I actually broke down the belief system of a room of surgeons with that trick and they were meant to be you know, they're meant to be the most sort of like cleverest people on the planet. 00:34:31.585 --> 00:34:49.693 It was at Twickenham Stadium and they had this get together surgeons from all over the world, all into heart surgery and, yeah, one of the biggest round of applause I've got, they actually believed I did magic with TurboStick. 00:34:51.672 --> 00:34:58.739 And going back I mean it goes back to you, you know, can it be examined before and after? 00:34:58.739 --> 00:35:04.844 Yeah, if they are, and they did ask to examine it because that's the kind of people they are. 00:35:04.844 --> 00:35:09.373 They want answers to the the problem of how the hell's he doing it. 00:35:09.373 --> 00:35:10.878 And you go, yeah, have a look. 00:35:10.878 --> 00:35:16.347 And then looking for trapdoors and all sorts of things, but they're not there. 00:35:16.867 --> 00:35:19.833 But turbo stick is a staple of mine that I've used. 00:35:19.833 --> 00:35:27.639 Um, well, in a dare came up with a version of it using a dry white marker. 00:35:27.639 --> 00:35:31.487 Uh, with um supreme magic, many, many years ago. 00:35:31.487 --> 00:35:45.311 Obviously it's been refined and Richard Sanders and Leo came up with a great routine and handling and that's the handling I use. 00:35:45.311 --> 00:35:53.039 My reveal is not the sort of like sponge ball or you know another trick. 00:35:53.039 --> 00:35:55.454 It's the pen that I used at the very beginning. 00:35:55.454 --> 00:35:59.715 So you know, I say to them, how's it done? 00:35:59.715 --> 00:36:03.813 It's all done with the pen, and they're like how the hell did the pen come out the back? 00:36:03.813 --> 00:36:05.570 But yeah, I've been using that. 00:36:05.570 --> 00:36:07.168 So that is. 00:36:07.168 --> 00:36:09.923 I love that trick and there's so many gags. 00:36:09.923 --> 00:36:16.318 I mean the gags you can do during the performances is unbelievable. 00:36:16.318 --> 00:36:21.054 So love, love, turbo Stick, love it. 00:36:21.635 --> 00:36:22.478 Yeah, it's a great choice. 00:36:22.478 --> 00:36:26.155 It's one that I think we've had a couple of times now. 00:36:26.155 --> 00:36:32.070 Certainly, I think we've even had it on the smaller version of this, which is Stranded with a Stranger. 00:36:32.070 --> 00:36:34.333 I think we've had it mentioned on there as well. 00:36:34.333 --> 00:36:35.847 Yeah, it's a superb trick. 00:36:35.847 --> 00:36:37.170 It's just a. 00:36:37.170 --> 00:36:44.731 I mean really it's quite an alien prop, but how it's being used is quite normal, if that makes sense. 00:36:44.751 --> 00:36:49.967 So it sort of normalizes the prop yeah, well, I have a few lines, I won't give them all away. 00:36:49.967 --> 00:37:06.728 But, um, you know, I ask people what they think it is and, um, I say it's a, an imac stick, for you know, taking the hair off your legs quick, it's a little cricket bat for me, little cricket bat set, um, there's all sorts of it. 00:37:06.728 --> 00:37:07.630 You can pee on it. 00:37:07.630 --> 00:37:09.275 It tells you if you're pregnant or not. 00:37:09.275 --> 00:37:19.085 I mean all those, all those gags, um, but then I say it's a plastic, it's a plastic paddle, and give it to them to look at. 00:37:19.085 --> 00:37:22.813 You know, it is what it is and this is a pen. 00:37:22.813 --> 00:37:45.110 It is what it is, which, uh, one of the biggest additions I made to turbo stick, which, um, might be of interest to people, is dave bonzel makes um dry white markers into Sharpies and that was the best addition I made to it because obviously I'm using Sharpies all the time. 00:37:45.110 --> 00:37:51.476 So I bring out a Sharpie pen but they don't know it's a dry white marker. 00:37:51.476 --> 00:37:53.373 They think it's the same pen I've been using all the time. 00:37:53.373 --> 00:37:56.490 I'll do the gag about the permanent ink. 00:37:56.490 --> 00:37:57.534 It says permanent ink. 00:37:57.534 --> 00:37:58.416 Oh no, that's rubbed out. 00:37:58.416 --> 00:38:00.349 You know, you've got all the gag. 00:38:00.965 --> 00:38:04.356 They sound hack to us but lay, people love them. 00:38:04.356 --> 00:38:07.393 You never underestimate the hack gag. 00:38:07.393 --> 00:38:12.273 It is very strong and, again, it allows you to connect. 00:38:12.273 --> 00:38:14.632 You get people laughing. 00:38:14.632 --> 00:38:20.184 Wayne has always said to me you get people laughing at the beginning and you walk away with them laughing. 00:38:20.184 --> 00:38:26.065 You can do anything because they love it. 00:38:26.065 --> 00:38:31.545 They love, they love that, that thing, and you are there primarily to entertain. 00:38:33.210 --> 00:38:34.514 You're a magician second. 00:38:34.514 --> 00:38:36.427 Yeah, so you know to entertain. 00:38:36.427 --> 00:38:37.067 You're a magician second. 00:38:37.067 --> 00:38:43.893 Yeah, so you know, using those mantras and that trick, it's happy days. 00:38:43.893 --> 00:38:44.333 You get. 00:38:44.333 --> 00:38:48.315 You know you get what you need and come up

with your own gags as well. 00:38:48.315 --> 00:38:49.757 It's not difficult. 00:38:49.757 --> 00:38:51.599 I'm no comedy genius. 00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.721 I mean Wayne and Michael Fitch make a joke about me being a comedy genius. 00:38:53.721 --> 00:38:54.260 I'm no comedy genius. 00:38:54.260 --> 00:38:54.420 I mean. 00:38:54.420 --> 00:38:57.284 Wayne and Michael Fitch make a joke about me being a comedy genius. 00:38:57.284 --> 00:39:01.813 I'm no comedy genius, but every now and then I have my moments. 00:39:01.813 --> 00:39:04.307 So it's. 00:39:04.307 --> 00:39:09.619 I leave the comedy to them, to mostly Wayne, because he's obviously the comedy genius. 00:39:09.619 --> 00:39:16.391 But yeah, yeah, it's turbo stick Brilliant, brilliant, little effect. 00:39:16.391 --> 00:39:20.652 Carry it in your pocket, doesn't take up any pocket space, great stuff. 00:39:21.755 --> 00:39:25.074 Great choice, and it brings us to the tail end of your eight trick. 00:39:25.074 --> 00:39:26.230 So we're on number seven. 00:39:27.146 --> 00:39:28.090 Seven, seven. 00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:28.552 Here we go. 00:39:28.552 --> 00:39:38.873 So number seven is Ring Flight Revolution by Dave Bonzo, because it's such a good effect I can't remember when I started using it. 00:39:38.873 --> 00:39:52.838 I mean it's a blur, but I still have the same prop I bought from Dave all those years ago when he first started, before Blackpool. 00:39:52.838 --> 00:39:54.603 Before you know, he'd walk around with it in his pocket and he'd show a few of. 00:39:54.603 --> 00:39:58.592 Before you know, you'd walk around with it in his pocket and he'd show a few of us. 00:39:58.592 --> 00:40:00.418 And we go, we want one. 00:40:02.846 --> 00:40:08.210 And I don't know how many thousands of pounds I paid for it and that probably it wasn't that much. 00:40:08.210 --> 00:40:13.175 But, um, I've used it ever since and it's never, ever let me down. 00:40:13.175 --> 00:40:26.177 I've got a El Duco reel and it's broke, yeah, but this has never, ever let me down. 00:40:26.177 --> 00:40:27.605 Never let me down. 00:40:27.605 --> 00:40:32.253 You oil it, you give it a bit of maintenance every now and again and it will never let you down. 00:40:32.253 --> 00:40:36.005 And I think he even does a refurbishment. 00:40:36.005 --> 00:40:50.139 And I know for a fact that when you buy a refurbishment you're actually buying a new ring flight, because I worked with him a few years before he closed the shop down. 00:40:51.105 --> 00:40:57.978 So if you want to, if you want a ring flight, I can't highly recommend a ring flight revolution. 00:40:57.978 --> 00:40:58.918 It's brilliant. 00:40:58.918 --> 00:41:02.344 I think it's because of its reliability, more than anything. 00:41:02.344 --> 00:41:04.833 I mean ring flight is ring flight is ring flight. 00:41:04.833 --> 00:41:06.291 You know it's the. 00:41:06.291 --> 00:41:06.753 More than anything. 00:41:06.753 --> 00:41:07.880 I mean ring flight is ring

flight is ring flight. 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:08.764 You know it's the same thing. 00:41:08.764 --> 00:41:16.096 But it's the quality of the props and they look so natural and so organic. 00:41:16.844 --> 00:41:28.324 Everybody carries keys, so to get into ring flight and do a simple trick that lasts 30 seconds, I mean I don't do, uh, dave's full routine. 00:41:28.324 --> 00:41:36.652 He does the full routine where it goes into his wallet and, you know, little hand comes out and nicks it and all that, which is fabulous, it's fantastic. 00:41:36.652 --> 00:41:37.474 I love it. 00:41:37.474 --> 00:41:40.166 I love watching it and it's a great routine. 00:41:40.166 --> 00:41:41.469 It's online, you can watch it. 00:41:41.469 --> 00:41:45.519 But, um, I just do the the ring fly. 00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.806 I do segue into another trick, obviously not part of my list. 00:41:48.806 --> 00:41:51.652 Um, uh, the key by wayne dobson. 00:41:51.652 --> 00:41:56.039 Um, I mean, that trick as well is a astounding. 00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:58.751 You know, again, camera tricker I'm. 00:41:58.751 --> 00:42:08.909 I'm starting to realize that, uh, something that gives me sort of like camera trickery type reveals is the way it go. 00:42:08.909 --> 00:42:10.432 You know where's the cameras there in here. 00:42:10.432 --> 00:42:13.266 I'm not on tv, I'm right in front of you it? 00:42:13.266 --> 00:42:16.373 You know, um, so yeah, I segue into the key. 00:42:16.373 --> 00:42:21.949 Um, because I've got the ring, so why not? 00:42:21.949 --> 00:42:25.936 You know, you've lent me the ring and I don't go for diamond rings or anything like that. 00:42:25.936 --> 00:42:34.574 I go for bands because, you know, you hear all these horror stories of people saying that had a 29 carat diamond stone in it. 00:42:34.574 --> 00:42:35.818 He's like, yeah, did it. 00:42:35.818 --> 00:42:38.369 And then you've got to prove that it didn't. 00:42:38.369 --> 00:42:40.596 So, nah, keep away from stones. 00:42:48.445 --> 00:42:49.246 Ask for a wedding band. 00:42:49.246 --> 00:42:50.889 So yeah, ring flight revolution by dave bonzel is my number seven. 00:42:50.889 --> 00:42:52.251 Yep, so that brings us to your, your number eight. 00:42:52.251 --> 00:42:53.856 But I'm gonna. 00:42:53.856 --> 00:42:57.590 I'm gonna have a guess about who created this one. 00:42:57.590 --> 00:43:02.465 Ready, I think this is wayne dobson can you see through it or something? 00:43:02.704 --> 00:43:04.951 it's one of his latest ones, funnily enough. 00:43:04.951 --> 00:43:17.338 I say I don't change my repertoire very often, but when I do, it has to be a good trick, and the one I do, and I usually finish a close-up session. 00:43:17.338 --> 00:43:19.072 You know, doing the different groups. 00:43:19.072 --> 00:43:21.132 I finished a group on this. 00:43:21.132 --> 00:43:28.045 I used to use the Chop Cup for anybody who's interested, great effect. 00:43:28.045 --> 00:43:29.007 But now I use snooker sorcery.

00:43:31.110 --> 00:43:38.208 Um, it has all the elements to wrap up, uh, a set. 00:43:38.208 --> 00:43:44.858 You know whether it's 15 minutes or 20 minutes, parlor or 40-minute show on stage. 00:43:44.858 --> 00:44:02.018 You've got five, potentially six, spectators involved, four with choosing the balls, one actually doing all the administration for you, so you're not even involved in it at all. 00:44:02.018 --> 00:44:13.112 You know, and it's a very simple trick, if you't know it, check out the trailers but, um, you know, four colored balls are chosen. 00:44:13.112 --> 00:44:15.137 They're put into small bags. 00:44:15.137 --> 00:44:17.206 The small bags are put into a big bag. 00:44:17.206 --> 00:44:24.157 The administrator, the person that you've got helping you, then chooses one of the uh little bags at random. 00:44:24.157 --> 00:44:44.137 Uh, you then, um, take the ball out and, using the power of nlp or or, you know, being a psychic, whatever you, whatever you want to put your twist on you, can you're able to work out which ball belongs to which person, and it is a simple trick. 00:44:44.778 --> 00:44:51.996 But it doesn't use electronics, so it will never, ever go wrong. 00:44:51.996 --> 00:45:04.494 The only time it will go wrong is if you muck it up as a performer and there's an added bonus that you can instant stooge someone to actually hand the balls out. 00:45:04.494 --> 00:45:10.451 Can instant stooge someone to actually hand the balls out. 00:45:10.451 --> 00:45:22.753 They won't know how you know, and the people whose balls they belong, who whose balls they belong to, don't know how the spectator knows, and even if they have a chat at the end, they still won't be able to work out how it works. 00:45:22.753 --> 00:45:32.869 So that is now my closer or close up parlor and stage when I do the odd stage show. 00:45:32.869 --> 00:45:43.661 Um, it's, it's just um genius in its method and um, yeah, so check it out. 00:45:44.523 --> 00:45:53.775 Yeah, it's great and you raised the the point that first came to my mind, that for I mean there there's lots of versions of this. 00:45:53.775 --> 00:46:04.815 I remember there was a very nice wooden version that wasn't electronic and then that sort of inspired an electronic version of of it. 00:46:04.815 --> 00:46:11.351 Um, but what I like about snooker sorcery more is actually the props. 00:46:11.351 --> 00:46:29.730 To an extent, it allows the audience to follow what's happening, so the audience can see that it's going into the smaller bag and then going into the larger bag, which really helps with the impossibility of the routine, as opposed to just take a ball off of this stand and put it in your pocket yeah. 00:46:29.809 --> 00:46:30.452 And then the spec. 00:46:30.452 --> 00:46:48.306 I mean I mean we've, we've, um, as time goes on, and obviously we road test them like I'm road testing back to the future, we wrote I road test everything before we release it, uh, hence we don't release very much over a course of a year and there's a reason for that. 00:46:48.306 --> 00:46:50.492 We want to make sure that we've covered all bases. 00:46:50.492 --> 00:47:07.356 It's quite funny because you get the odd email when somebody's bought like saying like snooker sorcery, and and the email says I bought snooker sorcery, I love it to bits, but have you thought about dot, dot, dot, dot, dot and you go and you just want to write back and go yep, we thought about it. 00:47:07.356 --> 00:47:09.648 There's a reason why we're not doing it. 00:47:09.648 --> 00:47:23.818 Um, but it's um, it's one of those trips where, see I, it's, it's wayne's mantra, it's been my mantra since I've been with wayne. 00:47:23.818 --> 00:47:36.889 And you know, for those people that don't know, I used to actually actively perform Wayne's magic when I went out gigging and that is the reason we got together because he said oh, you use my magic and I go, do I? 00:47:36.889 --> 00:47:43.967 I mean I buy everything you bring out, and it's because it's. 00:47:44.809 --> 00:47:46.072 The method is easy. 00:47:46.072 --> 00:47:49.259 I've said this a million times the method is easy. 00:47:49.259 --> 00:47:53.878 The routines are simple so people can follow them. 00:47:53.878 --> 00:47:58.947 Because if, if they can't follow a routine, like you pointed out, what's the point? 00:47:58.947 --> 00:48:00.570 I mean, they're gonna go. 00:48:00.570 --> 00:48:05.175 Yeah, that was good, but I don't get it. 00:48:05.175 --> 00:48:10.481 But don't mix them up with simplicity in method. 00:48:10.481 --> 00:48:15.597 You need to practice the routines and the method just as much as anything else. 00:48:16.224 --> 00:48:25.458 But once you've got that, I mean yes, snooker sorcery, it just ticks every single box, every single box, and it will never fail. 00:48:25.458 --> 00:48:28.972 You, you're the only one who can fail. 00:48:28.972 --> 00:48:38.469 So, with that kind of like onus, you know that you're going to perform it and it will be correct. 00:48:38.469 --> 00:48:42.349 Yeah, I've never got it wrong. 00:48:42.349 --> 00:48:43.032 Well, that's a lie. 00:48:43.032 --> 00:48:44.469 I've never got it wrong. 00:48:44.469 --> 00:48:49.025 The only time I get it wrong is when I am performing in front of a bloody camera. 00:48:49.025 --> 00:48:51.092 I don't know why. 00:48:51.092 --> 00:48:53.385 I hate cameras. 00:48:53.385 --> 00:48:59.585 I hate having a camera, I hate things being pointed at me, but in front of spectators, never. 00:48:59.585 --> 00:49:03.228 So I don't know. 00:49:03.228 --> 00:49:04.112 Don't know what it is. 00:49:04.112 --> 00:49:05.215 Maybe it's just. 00:49:05.215 --> 00:49:07.052 I've got this aversion to plastic. 00:49:07.052 --> 00:49:09.911 I don't know. 00:49:09.911 --> 00:49:11.454 It doesn't breathe, it doesn't. 00:49:11.454 --> 00:49:12.956 You know what it probably is. 00:49:12.956 --> 00:49:14.278 It doesn't interact. 00:49:14.278 --> 00:49:23.635 You

get interaction from people and you get sort of like little lines that come out and you think I'll keep that and I'll choreograph. 00:49:23.635 --> 00:49:28.690 I'll choreograph it into, uh, into the next performance, because that was funny or whatever. 00:49:28.690 --> 00:49:34.027 But yeah, so snooker sorcery is my eighth one. 00:49:34.108 --> 00:49:37.313 Yes yeah, I got that right and what. 00:49:37.313 --> 00:49:42.188 What I really like is, um, you mentioned the trailer, so there are sort of two trailers that you can see. 00:49:42.188 --> 00:49:44.451 One is filmed impeccably. 00:49:44.471 --> 00:50:01.152 I don't know who filmed that, but it's great um the the other trailer which I really like is you can actually see wayne performing it on his tv show yeah, so he performed it on his uh, a kind of magic tv show which, incidentally, is on unlimited uh with alex iggins. 00:50:01.152 --> 00:50:10.737 Now alex iggins was instant stooged for that performance, but he still didn't know how Wayne knew and Wayne never told him. 00:50:10.737 --> 00:50:23.358 So you know, it's got that dual layer, if you like as well, and it's such a lovely piece of magic, you know it's. 00:50:23.358 --> 00:50:27.264 It is simple, but don't overlook its simplicity. 00:50:27.264 --> 00:50:31.195 But it's for what you get from it. 00:50:31.195 --> 00:50:32.016 I mean it. 00:50:32.016 --> 00:50:35.306 You know people have no idea yeah, that's a great choice. 00:50:35.568 --> 00:50:35.849 It's a. 00:50:35.849 --> 00:50:36.914 It's such a superb trick. 00:50:36.914 --> 00:50:38.340 I do urge everyone to check it out. 00:50:38.340 --> 00:50:42.128 It is a wonderful routine, but it does bring us onto your two curveball items. 00:50:42.128 --> 00:50:45.213 So obviously you've had eight items that you could choose from. 00:50:45.213 --> 00:50:49.659 Now you only have two one book and one non-magic item. 00:50:49.659 --> 00:50:58.351 Now I'm going to have a guess that the book that you're going to choose happens to be purple, but you know, I'm just guessing. 00:50:58.351 --> 00:51:00.992 So what did you put in your book position, wayne? 00:51:01.012 --> 00:51:01.914 Dobson's legacy. 00:51:01.914 --> 00:51:02.817 I have to. 00:51:02.817 --> 00:51:10.092 It's not because he's my mate and business partner, but there is a lifetime of magic in it. 00:51:10.092 --> 00:51:13.893 A lifetime, I mean, if I was to scrap everything tomorrow. 00:51:13.893 --> 00:51:27.014 And that includes every book I've got on the shelf, every trick I've ever bought, everything that I ever do, including what I've just mentioned in the um desert island discs. 00:51:27.014 --> 00:51:37.940 I I've got enough magic there to last me 20 magicians lives, um and um. 00:51:38.521 --> 00:51:46.201 It's not just the magic, it's the methodology behind the magic, it's the psychology behind the performances, it's his life story. 00:51:46.201 --> 00:51:50.954 I mean I've got a bit of entertainment while I'm on the uh desert island. 00:51:50.954 --> 00:51:53.965 I can read his life story and it is funny. 00:51:53.965 --> 00:52:01.840 There is some sad bits in it, but you know there's loads of anecdotes, there's loads of um. 00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:04.271 You know things he got up to when he was younger. 00:52:04.271 --> 00:52:04.992 It's all fun. 00:52:04.992 --> 00:52:06.978 So that's me entertainment covered. 00:52:06.978 --> 00:52:10.835 And then I've got the magic itself. 00:52:10.835 --> 00:52:14.172 In fact snooker sorcery is in the book. 00:52:14.172 --> 00:52:18.913 If you want to make it yourself, so that's worth the book straight away. 00:52:18.913 --> 00:52:29.938 But I know magicians are inherently lazy so they always buy the book and then buy the props for snooker sorcery because they can't be bothered to source them. 00:52:29.938 --> 00:52:33.391 And snooker balls, funnily enough are really expensive at the moment. 00:52:33.391 --> 00:52:36.320 So but yeah, so that would be the book of choice. 00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:41.213 Definitely 100, but I know you're going to come up with a curveball for me, aren't you? 00:52:41.775 --> 00:52:42.115 yeah. 00:52:42.115 --> 00:52:47.177 So everyone who listens to this knows that there's a caveat that you can only take one book. 00:52:47.177 --> 00:52:57.317 So the easiest way that we've worked out to do this is to think of a volume where maybe a particular trick stands out to you and take that one volume. 00:52:57.317 --> 00:53:00.153 So what's the one volume from Wayne's books would you take? 00:53:00.485 --> 00:53:10.215 I would take Wayne's Defin collection, which is, uh, the next one, which was the book that was previously released before legacy. 00:53:10.215 --> 00:53:24.190 Now, obviously, I will lose things like snooker, sorcery and stuff like that and all the new stuff, but, um, I will be able to keep the one trick I would perform out of, uh, the definitive collection that's also in legacy. 00:53:24.190 --> 00:53:31.094 And, um, although the legacy version has an updated the definitive collection, that's also in Legacy, and although the Legacy version has an updated, improved version. 00:53:31.094 --> 00:53:34.135 I keep my brain as well, don't I? 00:53:34.135 --> 00:53:43.811 So I've already got that in my head, but I will be able to use the trick that I would perform all the time out of the definitive collection. 00:53:43.811 --> 00:53:44.333 So I've curveballed you. 00:53:44.333 --> 00:53:44.695 So what is that? 00:53:44.695 --> 00:53:46.422 One routine, though, lucky card all the time out of the definitive collection. 00:53:46.443 --> 00:53:46.925 So I've curveballed you. 00:53:46.925 --> 00:53:48.335 So what is that? 00:53:48.335 --> 00:53:48.722 One routine though. 00:53:48.722 --> 00:53:51.268 Lucky card, yeah. 00:53:51.268 --> 00:53:53.474 So you showed me this last weekend. 00:53:53.474 --> 00:53:54.458 I did. 00:53:54.458 --> 00:53:57.324 Yeah, it's phenomenal, it's absolutely phenomenal,

it's phenomenal. 00:53:58.246 --> 00:54:00.224 I mean the synopsis is very simple. 00:54:00.224 --> 00:54:03.315 You have a card on the table, so you have an open prediction. 00:54:03.315 --> 00:54:08.751 You ask the spectator if they've got a deck of cards or they're happy to use yours. 00:54:08.751 --> 00:54:15.838 It doesn't matter, but I prefer this is a magician's trick as much as it is a layperson's trick. 00:54:15.838 --> 00:54:20.416 But if they've got a deck of cards on them, you use their deck of cards. 00:54:20.416 --> 00:54:23.610 You don't touch the cards, you get them to shuffle them. 00:54:23.610 --> 00:54:30.737 They spread out on the table to show how well they're mixed, take out jokers, anything like that. 00:54:30.737 --> 00:54:35.708 You then ask them to spell lucky card and the cards match. 00:54:35.708 --> 00:54:40.315 I mean you can't get any better than that. 00:54:40.817 --> 00:54:43.688 Richard Young, bless him, did it. 00:54:43.688 --> 00:54:47.971 We showed him on the podcast, the Magician's Podcast Live. 00:54:47.971 --> 00:54:55.471 I'm talking about your rivals now and it's the only trick he ever recommended and he does it all the time. 00:54:55.471 --> 00:54:55.632 Now. 00:54:55.632 --> 00:54:59.494 It takes a little while, a bit of practice. 00:54:59.494 --> 00:55:07.317 It's not a trick that you're going to do immediately and you do need to practice it a bit. 00:55:07.317 --> 00:55:15.213 There are subtleties that you need to master, but once you've got it down, wow, what a trick. 00:55:15.213 --> 00:55:16.317 It is fantastic. 00:55:16.317 --> 00:55:18.190 We bought our DVD. 00:55:18.190 --> 00:55:26.204 Well, we filmed it at Alakazam, actually with Dave Loosely, and that was the first time he saw the trick and we filmed his reaction. 00:55:26.204 --> 00:55:32.155 He swore we had to take, take it out, he swore. 00:55:32.155 --> 00:55:32.795 So. 00:55:32.795 --> 00:55:38.014 It is a very powerful trick and it's been Wayne's signature trick for I don't know how long it's. 00:55:38.014 --> 00:55:41.405 It's, it's something and there's a funny anecdote. 00:55:41.806 --> 00:55:56.077 So when I first got uh together with, he invited me to his house in Surrey and I was so excited, I was like a kid in a sweet shop and I went down and obviously went into the house. 00:55:56.077 --> 00:56:01.052 We went into his office at the time and he said open that cupboard. 00:56:01.052 --> 00:56:07.918 So I opened the cupboard and it was just full of all the latest releases that he had. 00:56:07.918 --> 00:56:20.893 And he said right, so you're going to help me demonstrate these tricks at the magic circle dealers day you know the one that used to be in the hotel in Houston and I said, okay, cool. 00:56:20.893 --> 00:56:24.375 He said, take one of each and and and learn them. 00:56:24.375 --> 00:56:29.213 You've got about two and a half weeks and I'm sitting there going this is fantastic, you know. 00:56:29.213 --> 00:56:34.052 And then sitting there going oh, my god, I've got two and a half weeks to learn all these and learn them. 00:56:34.052 --> 00:56:37.141 Well, to get magicians to buy them, right. 00:56:37.141 --> 00:56:41.650 So no pressure way, but thanks anyway. 00:56:41.650 --> 00:56:43.072 Um, I took them home. 00:56:43.152 --> 00:56:53.135 I, every single one, I spent hours every day learning these, mastered them, and then, obviously, the Magic Circle dealer day came. 00:56:53.135 --> 00:57:04.152 I went there, got to the stand and he's not there His ex-wife's there and I said to her where's Wayne? 00:57:04.152 --> 00:57:07.355 And she went oh, he's in the bar with a load of magicians. 00:57:07.355 --> 00:57:10.130 So I went oh, okay, cool, I'll set up here. 00:57:10.130 --> 00:57:13.355 And I set up all my props, got ready and stuff like that. 00:57:13.844 --> 00:57:20.876 And then Richard I remember it as if it was yesterday Richard Pinner walked up to me and he went show my mate Lucky Card. 00:57:20.876 --> 00:57:34.849 And I'm like in my head, head, what the is lucky card? 00:57:34.849 --> 00:57:35.632 Um, and I went I'm sorry, I've no idea. 00:57:35.632 --> 00:57:36.898 And he went oh, he's been showing it all morning. 00:57:36.898 --> 00:57:37.239 It's phenomenal. 00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:38.262 Bloody hell, you know. 00:57:38.262 --> 00:57:39.706 And uh, we're not going to be here much longer. 00:57:40.068 --> 00:57:44.936 Anyway, at that moment wayne's come, come in and I've gone. 00:57:44.936 --> 00:57:46.039 Where the bloody hell have you been? 00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:57.773 I've been at the bar, you know, drinking I don't know, bacardi or something, or vodka they're his favourite tipples, and Amaretto Sour, that's another one. 00:57:57.773 --> 00:58:01.494 And I said what about this lucky card? 00:58:01.494 --> 00:58:24.211 And he just looked at me and he goes, I forgot, and then starts bursting out laughing and I'm like I just look a complete pill up now in front of all these magicians that are wanting to see this trick and, um, yeah, so he gave me, uh, he gave me the manuscript and said learn it. 00:58:24.833 --> 00:58:28.947 And, uh, it, I won't lie, it took me about six months to get it down to perfection. 00:58:28.947 --> 00:58:43.474 I added a few little extra bits that we included in the marketed version, the DVD that allows me to do, to take my time and a beginner to take their time. 00:58:43.474 --> 00:58:54.597 And uh, yeah, we released it and I think we've been chatting about maybe re-releasing it, uh, as a download on alakazam at some point. 00:58:54.597 --> 00:59:07.195 So, yeah, if you haven't got it, if you haven't seen it, just look at the dave loosely trailer on alakazam site it, it's awesome, it is awesome. 00:59:07.195 --> 00:59:14.117 So that is the book I would take, the definitive collection because you won't let me take legacy, which is what I really wanted. 00:59:14.117 --> 00:59:17.492 Um, because you're asking me to choose

throughout the books. 00:59:17.492 --> 00:59:23.192 And um, yeah, so I can keep lucky card great choice. 00:59:23.833 --> 00:59:28.869 And it does bring us on to your curveball curveball item, which is your non-magic item that you use for magic. 00:59:28.869 --> 00:59:31.925 Um, I'm really worried what this one's going to be when it comes to you. 00:59:31.925 --> 00:59:33.670 Uh, so what did you go for? 00:59:34.210 --> 00:59:44.873 I had to think hard and fast about this because it's really difficult and, like I said, most of my props that I tend to use are non-ical and you won't allow me to use them. 00:59:44.873 --> 00:59:55.313 So I'm going to take Wayne Dobson so he can suffer being on the desert island with me and I've got the most prolific, most. 00:59:55.313 --> 01:00:03.518 He's a legend, he's a living legend most prolific person by my side as a tap into anything. 01:00:03.518 --> 01:00:12.556 I mean, if all we're surrounded by is coconut trees, he will come up with a trick with coconuts, you know. 01:00:12.556 --> 01:00:15.875 So that's who I would take with me. 01:00:15.875 --> 01:00:21.313 I know it's very cliche, but there's no other choice. 01:00:21.313 --> 01:00:22.670 There's no other choice. 01:00:23.885 --> 01:00:28.550 Yeah, you're absolutely allowed to take wayne, so people can take other people. 01:00:28.550 --> 01:00:31.824 My only thing is and this is down to the listeners, right? 01:00:31.824 --> 01:00:37.597 The question is that you can take something that's not magic, yeah, that you use for magic. 01:00:37.597 --> 01:00:44.795 I think wayne is about as magic as you can get, so it's down to listeners. 01:00:44.976 --> 01:00:47.159 Do we think that that's allowed or not? 01:00:47.159 --> 01:00:50.090 You'll have to let me know, but it's a great, great choice. 01:00:50.090 --> 01:00:52.315 Uh, it's a great list of tricks as well. 01:00:52.315 --> 01:01:04.518 Um, and, like I said, do go check out wayne's performance of snooker sorcerer as well on the show it's really well, join unlimited and just watch the whole lot, and it's like watching it weekly I'm. 01:01:04.557 --> 01:01:13.018 People came up to me last week and said it's great because it's like, you know, saturday night I can sit and watch it and it's like takes me back to my childhood and things like that. 01:01:13.018 --> 01:01:18.277 And I'm going yeah, that's exactly why we did it like that is because it is, you know, once a week. 01:01:18.277 --> 01:01:26.018 It's not like netflix where you binge, watch it for until four o'clock in the morning and it's something to look forward to, you know. 01:01:26.018 --> 01:01:31.733 So it was yeah, yeah, it's great, great idea by you to do it once a week. 01:01:32.606 --> 01:01:37.291 Well, if people want to find out more about you and Wayne, where can they go to? 01:01:38.266 --> 01:01:50.139 They can go to D-Trick their websites and that's wwwdtrickcom and that's with no, so d-t-r-i-kcom. 01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:55.532 I have to say that because everybody puts detrick with a, c and um. 01:01:56.514 --> 01:02:40.990 Yeah, there's a, there's a bio of all of us and but if you want to know more about wayne, which you know he's the main man, buy Legacy because his autobiography is in there up to date and it's got everything in it so you can learn about his life as a jobbing magician who went on to the clubs in the north, who then went on to appear on the odd guest show, then went to the Palladium guest show, then got his, went to the Palladium and then went and got his own show and the rest of it and all all that, and then the MS and how it's affected him and uh, he's uh, uh synopsis of his marriages. 01:02:40.990 --> 01:02:45.746 Oh, all good, it's all in there, uh. 01:02:45.746 --> 01:03:05.268 And also a lot a lot of people don't know is that the second book, a kind of magic, has a complete chronological um listing of every trick he did on all these a kind of magic series and why he did it and what was involved and sometimes the odd price, how much it cost. 01:03:05.268 --> 01:03:09.956 So that's really interesting to read, especially for magicians. 01:03:13.445 --> 01:03:15.130 And of course you're always at conventions as well. 01:03:15.130 --> 01:03:21.293 I don't know if we're doing the session as a dealer, but we'll be at Blackpool, obviously. 01:03:21.293 --> 01:03:26.699 And yeah, it'll be great, it'll be great, it'll be great, we'll catch up again. 01:03:26.699 --> 01:03:28.840 We was next to one another last week as well, weren't we? 01:03:29.403 --> 01:03:31.628 yeah it was good fun, great well. 01:03:31.628 --> 01:03:35.190 Thank you so much for coming along and sharing your list at long last thank you for inviting me. 01:03:35.306 --> 01:03:38.311 It's been an absolute pleasure and really fun. 01:03:38.686 --> 01:03:45.753 But if you guys want to be a part of one of these, don't forget we do have Stranded with a Stranger, so you can send in your list. 01:03:45.753 --> 01:03:47.849 Send it in to sales at alakazamcouk. 01:03:47.849 --> 01:03:51.130 Please, in the subject line put my desert island tricks. 01:03:51.130 --> 01:03:52.630 That way it comes through to me. 01:03:52.630 --> 01:03:56.750 Do give us a little bio and, of course, why you chose those tricks. 01:03:56.750 --> 01:04:06.519 With that being said, we're going to main podcast next Friday. 01:04:06.519 --> 01:04:10.554 So thank you all for listening and we'll see you again next week. 01:04:10.554 --> 01:04:11.157 Goodbye. 01:04:15.965 --> 01:04:19.416 When I perform at gigs, I look at effects that tick these three boxes. 01:04:19.416 --> 01:04:21.692 Is it super strong and powerful? 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