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00:04:40.970 that I really liked about the movie was that 00:04:40.970 --> 00:04:45.259 even if you go in with no knowledge, I... I think 00:04:45.259 --> 00:04:47.939 the movie fills you in pretty good, like enough 00:04:47.939 --> 00:04:53.040 to get by that you don't need to have all the 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:55.279 knowledge. You don't need to even have what you 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.500 had. You could go in not knowing anything about 00:04:57.500 --> 00:05:00.600 Greek anything. I think it helps to have a slight 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:05.699 bit of shorthand to know what Athena and Poseidon 00:05:05.699 --> 00:05:08.480 and Hades are the gods of. If you know those 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:10.720 three gods, it's basically all the context for 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:13.620 that side of it you need. I think, but they did 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:18.300 a really good job of presenting each one clearly 00:05:18.300 --> 00:05:21.699 for people who don't know anything. Like they're 00:05:21.699 --> 00:05:26.279 very clear from the beginning with the, you don't 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.100 even have to know what Zeus's power is, but every 00:05:29.100 --> 00:05:31.120 time there's lightning or there's a storm coming 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.060 in, they're like, oh, Zeus is upset. And that 00:05:34.060 --> 00:05:36.639 was pretty much right, right from the top of 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:41.290 the movie. Yes. You know, let's, let me. say 00:05:41.290 --> 00:05:43.290 one thing and i know this is going to get us 00:05:43.290 --> 00:05:45.850 into the weeds right away but there's a long 00:05:45.850 --> 00:05:49.269 there's a very crazy thematic parallel in here 00:05:49.269 --> 00:05:54.689 where okay so the thematic crux of the movie 00:05:54.689 --> 00:06:01.209 is zeus's law where he's you be nice to strangers 00:06:01.209 --> 00:06:04.850 in your house because any random stranger could 00:06:04.850 --> 00:06:08.269 be zeus in disguise that's that's how the movie 00:06:08.269 --> 00:06:12.430 explains zeus's law And later on in the movie, 00:06:12.470 --> 00:06:17.569 we find out that Odysseus believes he basically 00:06:17.569 --> 00:06:20.449 destroyed Zeus's law for the entire world with 00:06:20.449 --> 00:06:26.189 the Trojan horse story. He did something so dishonorable 00:06:26.189 --> 00:06:32.430 that it basically domino effected dishonor throughout 00:06:32.430 --> 00:06:36.129 the world. But to me, the bit about that, that 00:06:36.129 --> 00:06:39.129 yes, he violated Zeus's law. But I thought about 00:06:39.129 --> 00:06:41.389 it later and I'm like, this ties back around 00:06:41.389 --> 00:06:43.449 to the gods, I promise. That Poseidon is the 00:06:43.449 --> 00:06:49.250 god of horses. And he used a horse to commit 00:06:49.250 --> 00:06:52.029 this dishonor. And wouldn't you know it, the 00:06:52.029 --> 00:06:54.410 sea is very angry with him after the fact. So 00:06:54.410 --> 00:06:57.430 I'm like, okay, so you used, so you

used a... 00:06:57.720 --> 00:07:00.060 A symbol of Poseidon. Don't forget, it was an 00:07:00.060 --> 00:07:03.360 offering to Athena as well. All three of the 00:07:03.360 --> 00:07:06.980 gods that are present in this movie make their 00:07:06.980 --> 00:07:10.319 presence known. In one fell swoop, he offended 00:07:10.319 --> 00:07:13.819 all of them. Yes, you took my point and you added 00:07:13.819 --> 00:07:17.220 on there. Oh, and don't forget, because he didn't 00:07:17.220 --> 00:07:22.699 honor his men, he offended all the soldiers in 00:07:22.699 --> 00:07:25.389 the afterlife in Hades as well. So he offended 00:07:25.389 --> 00:07:30.629 like four different realms in one go. Which I 00:07:30.629 --> 00:07:32.089 didn't think about at the time. I'm like, oh 00:07:32.089 --> 00:07:34.649 yeah, well the movie makes very textually clear 00:07:34.649 --> 00:07:39.990 that he offended Zeus's law. Sure. But if you 00:07:39.990 --> 00:07:42.149 think about what these gods stand for, he offended 00:07:42.149 --> 00:07:46.730 three other realms at the same time. Or just 00:07:46.730 --> 00:07:50.689 afterwards. Maybe that's why they also included 00:07:50.689 --> 00:07:53.699 that. I think I was just coming back from the 00:07:53.699 --> 00:07:57.560 bathroom because I really had to pee. But they 00:07:57.560 --> 00:08:01.899 were talking about how in the bottom of the horse, 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:05.660 men drowned, right? Yes. So maybe that was also 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:08.540 another hint that it's like, hey, Poseidon's 00:08:08.540 --> 00:08:10.879 influence here a little bit. If you don't get 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:13.480 the horse connection, at least you'll get the 00:08:13.480 --> 00:08:16.839 water connection. Yes. You're hiding in the body 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.939 of the horse and Poseidon's drowning you already. 00:08:21.079 --> 00:08:25.079 He's not pleased. If Poseidon was pleased, the 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:27.279 tide probably wouldn't have come in there. Yeah. 00:08:29.180 --> 00:08:34.120 And I think one big thing is, where is the quote 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:37.980 in my notes? Basically, the idea of all of these 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:40.960 things is that things don't happen to these characters 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.700 by chance. It's the consequences of their choices 00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:47.559 that come back to bite them. Even right from 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:49.639 that very first one, you're hiding in the belly 00:08:49.639 --> 00:08:53.639 of A symbol of Poseidon, and he's drowning you. 00:08:53.720 --> 00:08:58.379 Okay, choice and consequence. Yes, in a grounded 00:08:58.379 --> 00:09:00.659 reality, you just went a little too far into 00:09:00.659 --> 00:09:04.919 the tide. But also, maybe the gods are smiting 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:10.860 you. And so on and so forth. We'll have many 00:09:10.860 --> 00:09:14.700 examples, assuredly. But it's... Yes, you could 00:09:14.700 --> 00:09:17.340 easily say, yes, this movie is a series of divine 00:09:17.340 --> 00:09:19.940 interventions to smite these guys for making... 00:09:20.480 --> 00:09:25.460 blasphemous or generally poor choices or also 00:09:25.460 --> 00:09:30.980 it's fair game for stumbling in the lands as 00:09:30.980 --> 00:09:35.759 soldiers violently butchering animals who don't 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:40.460 belong to them threatening women uh destroying 00:09:40.460 --> 00:09:46.019 entire civilizations as a as a mode of operation 00:09:49.549 --> 00:09:54.950 These aren't good people. And they kind of arguably 00:09:54.950 --> 00:09:58.490 deserve the karma that befalls them. Whether 00:09:58.490 --> 00:10:01.970 it's gods or just the world getting its revenge. 00:10:02.490 --> 00:10:05.850 And I think that's part of why, like, Odysseus 00:10:05.850 --> 00:10:09.789 is the only one on the ship who really had that 00:10:09.789 --> 00:10:12.970 knowledge click in that it's like, what we did 00:10:12.970 --> 00:10:16.149 was bad. So even though he was the one to say, 00:10:16.210 --> 00:10:19.090 I don't want to follow Agamemnon anymore, let's... 00:10:19.279 --> 00:10:21.100 go our own way, which was kind of interesting. 00:10:21.620 --> 00:10:24.620 That wasn't actually, that wasn't how it went 00:10:24.620 --> 00:10:27.799 originally, but I liked that he was kind of like, 00:10:27.860 --> 00:10:30.360 I'm fed up with listening to him. He's a bad 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:33.340 leader. We're going a different way. I've been 00:10:33.340 --> 00:10:36.360 stuck with him on this beach for 10 years. We 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.580 need a break. But regardless, he was the one 00:10:38.580 --> 00:10:41.600 who made that decision. But those men still looked 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:45.919 up to Agamemnon. Yeah, Agamemnon's their real... 00:10:46.570 --> 00:10:49.470 Well, I mean, Odysseus is their king, but Agamemnon's 00:10:49.470 --> 00:10:51.370 their, I don't know, I guess the king of kings 00:10:51.370 --> 00:10:56.470 is how it seemed to me. I mean, he was the lead 00:10:56.470 --> 00:11:00.049 of the war. He was the one who organized basically 00:11:00.049 --> 00:11:04.590 everything. So they all kind of followed him 00:11:04.590 --> 00:11:06.549 and respected him. Did you look at that armor 00:11:06.549 --> 00:11:12.309 set? Yeah, exactly. That was so cool. Like, I 00:11:12.309 --> 00:11:14.409 was actually kind of disappointed that he spoke 00:11:14.409 --> 00:11:17.679 later. because i was like the fact that he just 00:11:17.679 --> 00:11:20.559 you just you couldn't even make out his face 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:24.639 he just walked in the arm like just he was just 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:27.559 imposing to be in the scene i think one of my 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:30.799 favorite shots in the movie is when odysseus 00:11:30.799 --> 00:11:32.899 and his crew get the gates of troy open and that 00:11:32.899 --> 00:11:34.860 silhouette's the first thing you see is the gate

00:11:34.860 --> 00:11:38.740 so yeah you're like oh it's gonna go down holy 00:11:38.740 --> 00:11:46.149 yeah that was epic that was uh No, that was impressive. 00:11:47.269 --> 00:11:50.110 But going back to consequences of their actions, 00:11:50.169 --> 00:11:52.929 you wanted to discuss the Cyclops scene. I think 00:11:52.929 --> 00:11:58.549 that's a very good example for action and consequence 00:11:58.549 --> 00:12:02.370 that pretty much carried forth the rest of the 00:12:02.370 --> 00:12:05.250 movie. Yeah, you're right. It's a pretty good 00:12:05.250 --> 00:12:08.509 example. They just let themselves into somebody 00:12:08.509 --> 00:12:14.159 else's house and have their way. They ate their 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.399 cheese. We're going to slaughter the lambs. It's 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:19.700 almost a parallel to what the suitors were doing, 00:12:19.720 --> 00:12:22.799 too. Like, the suitors were technically following 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:24.840 the rules, but at the same time, they were taking 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:27.340 things that they shouldn't have been. They were 00:12:27.340 --> 00:12:30.899 taking advantage of the rule. Yeah. They broke 00:12:30.899 --> 00:12:33.820 Zeus's law because they thought this thing was 00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:37.580 some barbarian creature who couldn't speak. And 00:12:37.580 --> 00:12:39.539 it wasn't until later they heard it speaking 00:12:39.539 --> 00:12:42.480 and... Odysseus at that point said, I think we're 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:46.159 past the point of reasoning with it. They already 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:52.299 knew they messed up. But that scene was so well 00:12:52.299 --> 00:12:56.000 done. Like every aspect, like that scene right 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:00.740 there is probably going to be taught in film 00:13:00.740 --> 00:13:03.960 schools because it demonstrates like an extreme 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:06.759 level of every part of the craft, basically. 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:12.259 yes it's it's a horror scene it's just it's just 00:13:12.259 --> 00:13:14.820 so impressed like like they go into the darkness 00:13:14.820 --> 00:13:18.379 and then they hear noises from outside and oh 00:13:18.379 --> 00:13:20.720 what what's that noise coming from around us 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:23.500 why is the cave shaking oh and then you see these 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:26.759 giant arms putting up a barrier in front of the 00:13:26.759 --> 00:13:31.230 cave and trapping us in darkness and the guys 00:13:31.230 --> 00:13:33.210 who were lit by firelight are the first to get 00:13:33.210 --> 00:13:35.429 swept up and you can hear them getting crunched 00:13:35.429 --> 00:13:38.009 in the darkness and what the heck is out there 00:13:38.009 --> 00:13:42.230 after us right now yeah get out from the firelight 00:13:42.230 --> 00:13:46.389 the radius just stay hidden and the effects work 00:13:46.389 --> 00:13:49.710 they really i really like the design of the cyclops 00:13:49.710 --> 00:13:53.110 just because it was it was really it was real 00:13:53.110 --> 00:13:56.230 weird like it was almost like a twisted face 00:13:56.230 --> 00:14:00.129 and i was like okay that's kind of cool you didn't 00:14:00.129 --> 00:14:04.750 have to make it look too much you know it it 00:14:04.750 --> 00:14:09.590 didn't go like too fantastical with it by making 00:14:09.590 --> 00:14:11.909 it look like more of like a freak of nature almost 00:14:11.909 --> 00:14:17.049 and um yeah it looked like a giant person with 00:14:17.049 --> 00:14:22.830 a uh disfigured face and an eye on its forehead 00:14:22.830 --> 00:14:27.980 but so yeah Everything that goes into making 00:14:27.980 --> 00:14:33.240 the scenes is like, they played with the lighting 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:36.980 coming from the exit to the cave when he would 00:14:36.980 --> 00:14:40.379 open the thing and you could see parts like, 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:43.799 and the fire lighting, lighting most of what's 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:48.559 going on. And even the, like the darkness is 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:50.919 kind of there. Like there was a lot going on 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:54.799 with the lighting. And then I love the scene. 00:14:55.309 --> 00:14:57.149 Where it plays up the character's intelligence 00:14:57.149 --> 00:15:00.009 too. The Cyclops goes to bed next to them because 00:15:00.009 --> 00:15:02.549 it doesn't see them as a threat whatsoever. They're 00:15:02.549 --> 00:15:04.629 going to poke its eye and slash its neck. And 00:15:04.629 --> 00:15:07.830 then Odysseus says, wait, we're still trapped 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:12.429 in here. We needed to move the rock or we're 00:15:12.429 --> 00:15:15.789 stuck. They had their tactical moment. Most other 00:15:15.789 --> 00:15:18.029 movies would have had the guys be idiots. But 00:15:18.029 --> 00:15:20.250 no, the writing actually showed Odysseus as the 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:24.750 smartest guy in the room because, wait. bad idea 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:28.190 we need to wait if we're gonna kill this thing 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:32.070 what i really liked about the scene too was the 00:15:32.070 --> 00:15:37.450 sound design yes the sound design of of of the 00:15:37.450 --> 00:15:42.590 cyclops itself you talked about like the crunching 00:15:42.590 --> 00:15:45.529 of the bones and the sound of like when he would 00:15:45.529 --> 00:15:47.649 spit out the the metal helmet like you didn't 00:15:47.649 --> 00:15:49.590 even have to see stuff and you could hear you 00:15:49.590 --> 00:15:53.769 could hear what was going on you're like oh And 00:15:53.769 --> 00:15:55.850 of course, the big moment in that scene is when 00:15:55.850 --> 00:15:59.570 they do stab it in the eye and it screams. You 00:15:59.570 --> 00:16:01.250 need a good speaker set up if you're going to 00:16:01.250 --> 00:16:05.009 watch that at home. Holy, yeah. The scream in 00:16:05.009 --> 00:16:11.970 this is so loud. It's otherworldly. It really,

00:16:12.129 --> 00:16:15.769 you just messed off something. Sorry, you really 00:16:15.769 --> 00:16:20.529 just angered something that's above your pay 00:16:20.529 --> 00:16:25.460 grade. Yeah. Yeah. And I just think it like, 00:16:25.580 --> 00:16:28.399 you know, you've got the lighting, you've got 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:33.679 the, the story, the buildup, everything you've 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.279 got, the right effects were going on. This scene 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:42.159 was crafted so well that it's like, okay, even 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:46.360 like you could cut that as a short film and it 00:16:46.360 --> 00:16:50.460 would be incredible. Yes. Because it's just, 00:16:50.480 --> 00:16:54.870 it's so. That one segment is so isolated and 00:16:54.870 --> 00:16:58.210 so well done in every aspect that it's like, 00:16:58.309 --> 00:17:03.730 yeah, you could just watch just that. Yes, and 00:17:03.730 --> 00:17:06.309 then they do get out of the cave through some 00:17:06.309 --> 00:17:09.250 smart thinking. And then Odysseus immediately 00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:14.549 ruins it by taking one extra pot shot. Which 00:17:14.549 --> 00:17:16.690 is where the consequence thing comes back into 00:17:16.690 --> 00:17:19.609 play. Because if he hadn't taken that one last 00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:24.220 shot. he wouldn't have offended the sea god and 00:17:24.220 --> 00:17:26.640 he would have saved more of his men because the 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.680 cyclops came charging in after them chased them 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:32.500 all the way down to the beach a lot more people 00:17:32.500 --> 00:17:34.819 died in that last chase just because he couldn't 00:17:34.819 --> 00:17:37.640 refrain from shooting one more arrow i thought 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.900 that was interesting too that um they almost 00:17:40.900 --> 00:17:45.779 they almost made him out like a bad guy but they 00:17:45.779 --> 00:17:49.309 didn't No, you know what I'm saying? The Cyclops 00:17:49.309 --> 00:17:52.309 was just a sheep herder. Not the Cyclops, Odysseus. 00:17:52.349 --> 00:17:54.769 Odysseus, yeah. They kind of made it out to be 00:17:54.769 --> 00:17:59.910 like, what are you doing? And I kind of liked 00:17:59.910 --> 00:18:03.369 that, that it was like, okay, you know, the book 00:18:03.369 --> 00:18:07.910 version of Odysseus is constantly, he's the smartest 00:18:07.910 --> 00:18:10.029 guy in the room and he makes sure everybody knows 00:18:10.029 --> 00:18:13.769 it. He's pretty cocky when it comes to stuff. 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:18.299 But so they still allowed a little bit of that 00:18:18.299 --> 00:18:23.559 to seep in, but it, but he still, he had his 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:29.240 reasons, but also the rest of the crew and kind 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:31.180 of the audience as well as sitting there going, 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:36.940 why did you do that? Yes. Yes. It seems like 00:18:36.940 --> 00:18:40.779 a bad idea to frustrate a God, especially the 00:18:40.779 --> 00:18:44.819 God of the sea when you're a sailor. But, uh, 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:48.059 This one quote I wrote down is when he declares, 00:18:48.099 --> 00:18:51.400 I defy the gods. He's kind of living a blast 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:54.500 from his life out there. Yes, he holds the pin 00:18:54.500 --> 00:18:56.759 of Athena and he kind of actually listens to 00:18:56.759 --> 00:18:58.779 the wisdom of Athena. She seems to be the only 00:18:58.779 --> 00:19:01.880 god he respects. But every other god is like, 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:05.339 you're just raining calamity down on my men for 00:19:05.339 --> 00:19:09.460 whatever reasons suit you. And I want my destiny 00:19:09.460 --> 00:19:14.240 to be in my own hands. Just stop messing with 00:19:14.240 --> 00:19:18.440 me and let me get home. You're using your power 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:24.099 for pettiness. Just slowly eliminating all my 00:19:24.099 --> 00:19:27.880 guys. And that's a big part of his arc, is that 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:32.400 he needs to humble himself before the gods. He 00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:36.240 starts as a very cocky person who says, Oh, yeah, 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.599 I'm the guy who breached the unbreachable walls 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:46.579 of Troy and shot... shot a being made of Poseidon 00:19:46.579 --> 00:19:52.759 in the eye, and I defy the gods. And okay, that 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:55.299 made an extra 10 -year journey for him. Until 00:19:55.299 --> 00:19:58.660 in the end, on Calypso's island, he took her 00:19:58.660 --> 00:20:00.460 advice. He throws himself to the mercy of the 00:20:00.460 --> 00:20:02.619 gods, essentially. He went out on a little raft 00:20:02.619 --> 00:20:05.559 and said, okay, I humble myself before the gods, 00:20:05.579 --> 00:20:09.440 and that's my penance. I'll take my punishment 00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:13.799 now. Yep. And he wasn't so blasphemous after 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:20.500 that. Mm -hmm. He, uh... He had nothing left 00:20:20.500 --> 00:20:23.519 to lose at that point. The gods took everything 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:25.859 from him. Even by the time they got to Apollo's 00:20:25.859 --> 00:20:28.839 island, he's like, he may not believe in the 00:20:28.839 --> 00:20:31.019 gods, but he knows enough at this point. Don't 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:34.519 kill Apollo's cows, please. Because I'm told 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:38.500 this is gonna kill all of you. But he's still 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:42.000 sort of defying the gods, or trying to... push 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.240 his own way where he's like he's like no don't 00:20:47.240 --> 00:20:51.299 go there yeah if we go there this is gonna happen 00:20:51.299 --> 00:20:54.720 but he's he's still trying to avert it and he 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.660 still has faith in his men that he's like okay 00:20:56.660 --> 00:20:59.619 you guys all promised well as hubris is still 00:20:59.619 --> 00:21:01.720 coming back on him because

even in the whirlpool 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:05.299 incident there was two ways to go and he chose 00:21:05.299 --> 00:21:07.200 the version that would get a couple of them killed 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:09.539 and they were furious at him because they said 00:21:09.539 --> 00:21:14.220 well We don't know what the ghost in Hades told 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:16.259 you, and you just got some of us killed. And 00:21:16.259 --> 00:21:18.240 he said, well, trust me, if we went the other 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:19.680 way, there would have been more of you killed. 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.700 And they say to him, well, who are you to make 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:26.019 that decision? Why do you have our lives in your 00:21:26.019 --> 00:21:30.140 hands like that? And not tell any of us. You 00:21:30.140 --> 00:21:32.599 didn't give anybody else a choice. But that's 00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:34.579 just him being a commander at the same time. 00:21:34.740 --> 00:21:36.420 It's even worse because like he tricked them 00:21:36.420 --> 00:21:38.700 into it too. Yeah. He knows, yeah, go through 00:21:38.700 --> 00:21:42.099 the whirlpool. And they're like, no. He knows 00:21:42.099 --> 00:21:44.680 whatever he does is going to get his men killed. 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:48.039 Yeah. And he knows it's going to weigh on him 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:50.599 either way. Every decision he makes is going 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:53.519 to get people killed. He just has to choose the 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:57.079 one he thinks is going to be the best path forward. 00:21:58.279 --> 00:22:00.519 But see, that's why it all weighs on him because 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.480 they wouldn't even be in this position if his 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.160 own hubris hadn't said, I know best and I know 00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.980 better than the gods. And that's why they're 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:12.119 being punished on this journey in the first place. 00:22:13.059 --> 00:22:16.380 So he has to reconcile, okay, well, I'm the smartest 00:22:16.380 --> 00:22:19.359 man in the room and I still know best to keep 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.140 my guys protected as long as possible. But also 00:22:22.140 --> 00:22:24.519 it was my cockiness that got us into this situation. 00:22:25.900 --> 00:22:29.900 So he only lets himself get humbled when everybody's 00:22:29.900 --> 00:22:33.279 dead. And the only thing left is to go home. 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.500 He's got nothing else except to see his wife 00:22:37.500 --> 00:22:40.980 and son again and clear house because they're 00:22:40.980 --> 00:22:43.720 all abusing Zeus's law. He's really afraid to 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.700 go home. That's what the sirens teach him. When 00:22:46.700 --> 00:22:49.500 he actually listens, they say, okay, well, the 00:22:49.500 --> 00:22:51.839 thing you fear most is that you actually don't 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.980 want to go home because you're... Because you're 00:22:54.980 --> 00:22:57.599 scared your domino effect got home as well. And 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.819 you can't face the people who you left abandoned 00:23:00.819 --> 00:23:05.839 for 20 years. And is just leaving your kingdom 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:10.440 to rot. So he's got a lot of soul searching to 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:17.319 do. And that's why he kind of, in this version, 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:20.119 he kind of self -exiles with Calypso. He doesn't 00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:22.220 really want to remember. Because remembering 00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:24.880 means responsibility and responsibility means 00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:29.700 he'll force himself to act and when he acts historically 00:23:29.700 --> 00:23:34.200 there's consequences that go very poorly for 00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:38.880 everybody else. So in a way I nearly feel like 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.880 he's avoiding his wife and child because going 00:23:42.880 --> 00:23:47.079 there will probably put them more in danger just 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:52.299 being in his orbit. Well and also I don't think 00:23:52.299 --> 00:23:57.799 they really went into this as much, but this 00:23:57.799 --> 00:23:59.500 version of the character, like it was kind of 00:23:59.500 --> 00:24:06.019 unsaid, but how do you return as the only survivor 00:24:06.019 --> 00:24:10.420 of your entire crew? And you're the leader who's 00:24:10.420 --> 00:24:12.759 supposed to be responsible for them. And you're 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.759 going to return to your people without any of 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:20.359 their people. Yeah. Like it was very briefly. 00:24:21.320 --> 00:24:24.259 hinted upon and it's in the background there 00:24:24.259 --> 00:24:29.579 like even like when telemachus is like yeah yeah 00:24:29.579 --> 00:24:33.319 but he's got an army right and he's like no just 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:40.359 me oh uh what yeah and that kind of shock in 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.819 the kid's eyes oh like how is that possible that 00:24:46.640 --> 00:24:49.359 I would assume in their eyes and everybody who's 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:53.160 in Ithaca, they would assume that either Odysseus 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.220 is going to return with the remainder of his 00:24:56.220 --> 00:25:01.900 men from Troy or they're all dead. But Odysseus 00:25:01.900 --> 00:25:04.940 himself being the only one who returns is not 00:25:04.940 --> 00:25:09.960 a good look. It's suspicious. But yes, at this 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:12.119 point in the story, the only thing he has to 00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:14.619 do by the time he decides to go home, the only 00:25:14.619 --> 00:25:18.150 thing he can do. is pay penance for the things 00:25:18.150 --> 00:25:22.250 he's caused both by offending the gods and by 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:26.630 being away from home for so long and by not giving 00:25:26.630 --> 00:25:30.430 his soldiers honorable burials the whole back 00:25:30.430 --> 00:25:35.809 third of the movie is him trying to uh is him

00:25:35.809 --> 00:25:39.470 trying to atone for all his crimes when he finally 00:25:39.470 --> 00:25:42.250 says okay well maybe the choice i can make is 00:25:42.250 --> 00:25:44.549 atonement all right i'm gonna sacrifice myself 00:25:44.549 --> 00:25:48.670 on the raft Oh, Poseidon let me live? Okay, I'm 00:25:48.670 --> 00:25:52.910 gonna go home. I'm gonna clear my house of all 00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:56.170 these guys abusing Zeus' law because I let them 00:25:56.170 --> 00:25:58.789 be there for so long because of my poor decision 00:25:58.789 --> 00:26:01.789 -making in the past that set me adrift. And after 00:26:01.789 --> 00:26:04.990 that, I'm gonna go out west with my wife and 00:26:04.990 --> 00:26:09.430 I'm going to... I'm going to atone for the way 00:26:09.430 --> 00:26:13.170 I treated my soldiers' bodies and let them rest 00:26:13.170 --> 00:26:16.750 peacefully in Hades now. I think that was probably 00:26:16.750 --> 00:26:20.690 one of the best improvements upon the source 00:26:20.690 --> 00:26:24.490 material. Something that always bothered me was 00:26:24.490 --> 00:26:27.009 that Odysseus gets home, he deals with his stuff, 00:26:27.130 --> 00:26:31.390 and then he's like, okay, I have to go now. And 00:26:31.390 --> 00:26:35.089 then he leaves. He's like, you know, nothing. 00:26:36.569 --> 00:26:40.160 I like that this version, he's like... I'm bringing 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:42.400 my wife with me. You know, the wife that you 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:46.240 were so eager to get home to instead of just 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.720 like, yeah, I'm going to leave on my own and 00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:52.039 then I'll be back again. I like that as a as 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.279 a change, especially with the themes in that 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:59.740 they really focused on. With like his relationship 00:26:59.740 --> 00:27:04.740 with his wife. Yes. Yeah, but the Odysseus character 00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:09.390 is just is very well built and very. deep themes 00:27:09.390 --> 00:27:13.710 in there of uh you know on a grounded level there's 00:27:13.710 --> 00:27:17.970 post -traumatic stress from the war there's dealing 00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:22.009 with a increasingly mutinous crew being the responsibility 00:27:22.009 --> 00:27:24.529 of a leader who's got all these lives in your 00:27:24.529 --> 00:27:26.450 hands and no matter what you do you're still 00:27:26.450 --> 00:27:29.509 failing people and sometimes you have to choose 00:27:29.509 --> 00:27:33.210 to let them go specifically uh no matter what 00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:35.569 you do is a failure there's there's the the guilt 00:27:36.170 --> 00:27:38.950 just in general from his choices in troy his 00:27:38.950 --> 00:27:43.130 being away from his family for so long later 00:27:43.130 --> 00:27:45.910 on once again realizing how badly he offended 00:27:45.910 --> 00:27:48.029 the gods and oh that was a choice that was my 00:27:48.029 --> 00:27:51.410 fault

and then having the guts to say okay i 00:27:51.410 --> 00:27:55.049 can make this right if i if i humble myself which 00:27:55.049 --> 00:27:59.230 feels like such a 2000 year old legendary story 00:27:59.230 --> 00:28:02.410 that feels like something oh the only way this 00:28:02.410 --> 00:28:06.299 guy can you know, have a happy ending is by atoning 00:28:06.299 --> 00:28:08.420 for his sins in front of the gods and humbling 00:28:08.420 --> 00:28:11.559 himself before the gods. That feels like a, yeah, 00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:15.359 I can buy that was written 2000 years ago, but 00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:20.279 asking for humility is a evergreen story. It 00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:23.880 never hurt anybody to let go of your own ego. 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:27.619 So it's still relevant today for that reason. 00:28:29.579 --> 00:28:32.500 Yeah, he's dealing with a lot of things on a 00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:35.259 grounded level and also on a, hey, there's gods 00:28:35.259 --> 00:28:39.140 in this world as well. So it works on a fantastic 00:28:39.140 --> 00:28:43.940 level and on a human emotional level for Odysseus. 00:28:45.539 --> 00:28:50.299 I mean, I was worried about his casting. I didn't 00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:52.400 know if Matt Damon could pull it off, but he 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.440 did really well. Yeah, he's talking about the 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.799 actor. Good idea. He did a very, very good job. 00:28:58.980 --> 00:29:01.799 I did. Sometimes actors can take you out, especially 00:29:01.799 --> 00:29:03.599 ones that you know really well, where it's like, 00:29:03.660 --> 00:29:06.440 okay, that's Matt Damon. No, no, no, no, no, 00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:09.420 no, no. I bought into Matt Damon as Odysseus. 00:29:09.420 --> 00:29:12.460 Like he was, he did a very, very good job. I 00:29:12.460 --> 00:29:16.079 agree. I don't think he's necessarily the best 00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.319 performer in this movie, but everybody's bringing 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.930 their A game here. So it's like. When you're 00:29:20.930 --> 00:29:23.109 the worst performer, like that's an Oscar winning 00:29:23.109 --> 00:29:26.049 performance in most years. Yeah, exactly. It's 00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:30.029 such a great cast. Yeah. That even Matt Damon 00:29:30.029 --> 00:29:32.349 as Odysseus is falling by the wayside a little. 00:29:32.950 --> 00:29:36.829 Okay, that's a bad statement because he is the 00:29:36.829 --> 00:29:41.809 protagonist and he is the gravitas to carry every 00:29:41.809 --> 00:29:46.210 scene. He is incredible. But there were other 00:29:46.210 --> 00:29:48.519 ones in this movie who were... Every time they 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:51.319 were on screen was like, wow, you're doing really 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:54.039 great stuff here. I got to say the one that impressed 00:29:54.039 --> 00:29:57.099 me the most was Anne Hathaway. I was about to 00:29:57.099 --> 00:30:01.460 say Anne Hathaway. Yeah, she's the best performance 00:30:01.460 --> 00:30:05.039 in this movie. There was that scene where she's 00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.980 right in Telemachus' face. You could see the 00:30:08.980 --> 00:30:12.599 focus. They were losing the focus on her face 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:16.029 because she was so involved in this scene. That 00:30:16.029 --> 00:30:18.490 was the best take they could get of it. But her 00:30:18.490 --> 00:30:23.069 delivery and her emotion she put into that shot. 00:30:23.190 --> 00:30:25.890 It was very raw. In a way I don't normally see 00:30:25.890 --> 00:30:27.970 in these kind of movies that are very polished. 00:30:28.230 --> 00:30:32.849 And that's why when I'm like, okay, they're losing 00:30:32.849 --> 00:30:35.190 their tracking focus. And I know that wasn't 00:30:35.190 --> 00:30:37.809 on purpose. That was not on purpose, but they 00:30:37.809 --> 00:30:42.130 captured the best performance she possibly could 00:30:42.130 --> 00:30:45.460 have done. And I know how that feels to be like, 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:52.480 they can't, you just, you won't be able to get 00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.240 that again. That take was the one and they knew 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.359 it and they're like, it has to be. And it was 00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:04.019 so well done. She was so good. I think it, I 00:31:04.019 --> 00:31:06.079 think it hits all the harder because that character 00:31:06.079 --> 00:31:08.279 is trying to be the rock in this, in Ithaca. 00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:13.299 She, is it you know she's very emotional in her 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:15.519 in her life she's you know missing her husband 00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.940 for so long she really doesn't want to take on 00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:20.740 any of these suitors she feels very passed over 00:31:20.740 --> 00:31:23.759 by her own admission because everyone's like 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.680 oh well you know what Ithaca needs is a king 00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:28.460 that'll make things right but the place is still 00:31:28.460 --> 00:31:30.579 running and she's been in charge for 20 years 00:31:30.579 --> 00:31:34.460 which she is she's like okay nobody thinks it's 00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:36.180 legitimate unless there's a man on the throne 00:31:36.180 --> 00:31:40.329 but I've been doing okay But really, I just want 00:31:40.329 --> 00:31:42.289 my husband back. But she keeps herself hidden 00:31:42.289 --> 00:31:45.210 behind a screen most of the time because she's 00:31:45.210 --> 00:31:48.170 trying to keep up that queenly presence. When 00:31:48.170 --> 00:31:51.630 I come out in public, I'm going to be regal. 00:31:51.910 --> 00:31:55.349 But it's only with her son behind closed doors 00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:57.890 where she can kind of lose it a little bit. Well, 00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:01.329 and even with the suitor, she can't. I think 00:32:01.329 --> 00:32:05.410 that's why she uses the barrier is because she 00:32:05.410 --> 00:32:09.579 can't command the same

respect from them. Yeah. 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:14.119 She's still not. And also there's the darker 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:17.799 undercurrent of men are pigs and can't help themselves 00:32:17.799 --> 00:32:20.619 and everyone's abusing the hospitality laws. 00:32:21.099 --> 00:32:24.559 So putting herself right in the open is as dangerous 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.359 as, well, I don't want to say it's as dangerous 00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:30.180 as Telemachus, but as a woman, I think it's even 00:32:30.180 --> 00:32:34.799 more dangerous for her to be among those guys 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:38.589 on the regular. Even Telemachus, it's a bad idea. 00:32:39.230 --> 00:32:42.029 The only reason they're both safe at all is because 00:32:42.029 --> 00:32:45.869 they harbor somewhat respect for the hospitality. 00:32:47.730 --> 00:32:51.650 Barely. Yeah. Which they're okay to throw out 00:32:51.650 --> 00:32:53.670 the window as soon as Telemachus leaves. Oh, 00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:57.369 he's open season on the road. They wouldn't dare 00:32:57.369 --> 00:33:00.269 kill the queen and her prince in their own home. 00:33:01.009 --> 00:33:03.250 But they think about it. Even Robert Pattinson 00:33:03.250 --> 00:33:07.430 pulls the dagger at the end. He's ready. there 00:33:07.430 --> 00:33:11.569 he didn't care yeah he was really good too yes 00:33:11.569 --> 00:33:18.430 oh man yes oh you just he was so slimy oh my 00:33:18.430 --> 00:33:22.130 god you just wanted him to you're like oh i can't 00:33:22.130 --> 00:33:24.750 wait till odysseus gets back and just kills this 00:33:24.750 --> 00:33:30.769 guy please holy yeah one of the uh the best sequences 00:33:30.769 --> 00:33:35.480 is when odysseus throws the uh I don't remember 00:33:35.480 --> 00:33:38.160 what they call it, like the raffle, the raffle 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.480 wooden piece. Yeah, when he throws it back in 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:44.119 his face and, yeah, I got something of yours. 00:33:44.779 --> 00:33:49.200 This isn't mine. And I love how he goes around 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.839 the palace telling everybody, oh, yes, Odysseus 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:57.059 wanted me in that battle, but he preferred I 00:33:57.059 --> 00:34:00.059 stay here and look after his family. And then 00:34:00.059 --> 00:34:03.539 we learn the story of... oh wait he uh he was 00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:06.660 drafted and then he he used his privilege and 00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:09.219 said please please little shepherd boy y 'all 00:34:09.219 --> 00:34:12.300 pay your family to go to war and then he let 00:34:12.300 --> 00:34:18.519 the kid's father tie a beggar yeah yeah just 00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.360 an absolute despicable person yeah so to get 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.539 that stick back in his face before he and that's 00:34:24.539 --> 00:34:26.860 why i also loved in that final battle with robert 00:34:26.860 --> 00:34:29.920 pattinson is even when That servant is dropping 00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:32.239 weapons from the top floor. Oh, he doesn't touch 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:34.539 any. He doesn't touch any. He's hiding behind 00:34:34.539 --> 00:34:36.940 the post practically. Yeah, he's cowering in 00:34:36.940 --> 00:34:38.780 the corner the whole battle while other guys 00:34:38.780 --> 00:34:41.219 are taking up the fight. I love how he's just 00:34:41.219 --> 00:34:43.579 giving, he's like trying to give commands that 00:34:43.579 --> 00:34:46.239 like is already obvious. He's like, yeah, yeah, 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.699 swords, swords. Get him, get him. Every single 00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:57.289 time. And it's just like, dude. you'd be a terrible 00:34:57.289 --> 00:35:00.110 committee. He's trying to, he's trying, he's 00:35:00.110 --> 00:35:02.389 been this whole time. He's trying to be like, 00:35:02.489 --> 00:35:05.090 yeah, I'm, I'm number one. Like I'm going to 00:35:05.090 --> 00:35:08.429 be the King. I'm obviously the number one choice. 00:35:08.449 --> 00:35:11.710 And he's trying to pump up his authority and 00:35:11.710 --> 00:35:15.190 make himself seem big. And then, then it comes 00:35:15.190 --> 00:35:18.510 to like, Oh, okay. You know, the suitors do kind 00:35:18.510 --> 00:35:22.250 of look up to him. So he's the only thing that 00:35:22.250 --> 00:35:24.590 can be considered a leader there. And those are 00:35:24.590 --> 00:35:28.809 his commands. When an actual battle comes, like 00:35:28.809 --> 00:35:32.170 things that anybody who has eyes would be like, 00:35:32.289 --> 00:35:39.130 yeah, obviously. What kind of commands are those, 00:35:39.309 --> 00:35:43.409 man? And it works so well for the character because 00:35:43.409 --> 00:35:47.900 it's just like even more. emphasizing that he's 00:35:47.900 --> 00:35:53.980 just a spoiled rich brat yeah uh john leguizamo 00:35:53.980 --> 00:35:59.139 was also great yes as uh what's his name uh you 00:35:59.139 --> 00:36:05.280 miss the blind old swordsmith he was uh well 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.480 sword master i guess he's serving he's the pig 00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:12.340 farmer joe farmer he's the pig farmer teaches 00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:15.590 fencing on the side Yeah. Raises hunting dogs 00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:19.150 on the side. He does a lot. He's like Odysseus' 00:36:19.269 --> 00:36:24.170 man. Yeah. Who's also holding out for Odysseus. 00:36:24.170 --> 00:36:27.349 He was barely recognizable and he... Crushed 00:36:27.349 --> 00:36:31.570 it. Yeah. Oh, he did so well. It actually caught 00:36:31.570 --> 00:36:33.670 me off guard when they showed him younger and 00:36:33.670 --> 00:36:36.789 then they showed him older and I'm like, wow, 00:36:36.969 --> 00:36:39.570 they did a really good job making him look... 00:36:39.570 --> 00:36:46.420 older. Yeah. different but you know moving us 00:36:46.420 --> 00:36:50.239 away from the actors for a bit i think that that 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.300 to me is one of the cruxes of why this movie

00:36:52.300 --> 00:36:55.639 is so good is just immersion everything about 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:59.320 this movie kept me locked in from frame one and 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.039 i never wavered whether it was the makeup on 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:07.420 john linguisamo or the practical battle sets 00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:12.130 and the the costumes they were wearing the Even 00:37:12.130 --> 00:37:17.150 the Cyclops, the monsters, the knights, the transformation 00:37:17.150 --> 00:37:20.469 into pigs. Everything there was done as practically 00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:23.269 as possible. I never saw the scenes and the effects 00:37:23.269 --> 00:37:27.269 work. It all felt like even the practical ships 00:37:27.269 --> 00:37:30.090 or models, the life -size stuff on the ocean, 00:37:30.329 --> 00:37:35.489 the sailing rigs, just the choreography, the 00:37:35.489 --> 00:37:40.059 combat. Everything about this movie was... A 00:37:40.059 --> 00:37:42.559 living and breathing world that I never thought, 00:37:42.659 --> 00:37:47.360 wow, this is... I could never see the cracks 00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.480 in any of it. I think a lot of it came down to 00:37:49.480 --> 00:37:51.960 sound design too. Sound design is the star of 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:54.139 this movie. Holy cow. Which is so rare. The sounds 00:37:54.139 --> 00:37:59.320 of the ocean. Yeah. Like, everything about the 00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:03.820 sound design was absolutely top notch and stellar 00:38:03.820 --> 00:38:06.340 in this movie. I felt every sound in the best 00:38:06.340 --> 00:38:09.519 way possible. Everything from swords clashing 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:14.059 to... The one that really got disgusted me in 00:38:14.059 --> 00:38:17.219 my own mind was when Cersei is turning them into 00:38:17.219 --> 00:38:19.280 pigs and she's putting her fingers in their skull 00:38:19.280 --> 00:38:21.599 and cracking the bones and morphing them into 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:26.980 pig heads. Just the crunching of the bones of 00:38:26.980 --> 00:38:30.159 the skulls as she's working her witch magic is 00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:33.960 incredible. My favorite piece of sound design 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:38.010 was the bow. every time he strung the bow it 00:38:38.010 --> 00:38:41.750 had that chord that that he thwang yeah i don't 00:38:41.750 --> 00:38:43.489 know there's something about that that was just 00:38:43.489 --> 00:38:48.769 i really like they it put a lot of emphasis on 00:38:48.769 --> 00:38:52.449 him stringing that bow which is really important 00:38:52.449 --> 00:38:55.849 yeah and they made it feel really important too 00:38:55.849 --> 00:39:01.829 yes i also loved how loud it got when it really 00:39:01.829 --> 00:39:07.039 counted going back to the cyclops or After Apollo's 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.039 island when they killed the cattle and the ship 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.039 is falling apart. And that's an extended sequence 00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:19.880 of just incredibly loud calamity going on. The 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.099 ship is breaking apart. The masts are falling 00:39:22.099 --> 00:39:24.300 on them. The waves are crashing around them. 00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:29.760 And it's just so auditorily chaotic that it puts 00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.420 you in the mind of these soldiers who are all 00:39:33.420 --> 00:39:37.190 dying here. Except Odysseus. Oh, there was another 00:39:37.190 --> 00:39:41.409 cool one that was when they put the wax in and 00:39:41.409 --> 00:39:45.329 it was isolated. And then it actually, as the 00:39:45.329 --> 00:39:48.469 other guy was taking the wax out afterwards, 00:39:48.570 --> 00:39:51.309 not the guy who jumped over, but when it was 00:39:51.309 --> 00:39:55.050 safe, the audio actually released on the same 00:39:55.050 --> 00:39:59.369 side and on the other as he did it. I was like... 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.679 I was like, that's really subtle, but was really 00:40:02.679 --> 00:40:08.860 cool for the end of that effect. Yes. Yeah, this 00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:10.900 is some of the best sound design I've seen this 00:40:10.900 --> 00:40:16.519 decade. Yeah, that sound is absolutely top notch. 00:40:16.659 --> 00:40:21.420 I really, really hope that it works well on home 00:40:21.420 --> 00:40:26.460 video. I hope it still sounds good. I think this 00:40:26.460 --> 00:40:28.969 is a... You need to see this in theaters to get 00:40:28.969 --> 00:40:31.130 the full effect. There's going to be people who 00:40:31.130 --> 00:40:33.710 complain it's too loud in some parts, but that's 00:40:33.710 --> 00:40:35.829 the point. You're supposed to feel... It is. 00:40:35.829 --> 00:40:38.610 It's overwhelming. Yes, that's a good word. The 00:40:38.610 --> 00:40:40.510 two points I remember the most were when the 00:40:40.510 --> 00:40:43.090 ship was completely being destroyed and it was 00:40:43.090 --> 00:40:48.190 so loud. And then the shrieking of the Cyclops. 00:40:48.210 --> 00:40:50.130 Those were the two points where it was just, 00:40:50.190 --> 00:40:52.630 it was so overwhelmingly loud that you're like, 00:40:52.690 --> 00:40:55.380 but it's supposed to be. Yes, it doesn't work 00:40:55.380 --> 00:40:57.400 if it's not. It just feels like, oh, this is 00:40:57.400 --> 00:40:59.820 a regular action scene like you see in every 00:40:59.820 --> 00:41:03.420 other movie. Or you should be scared right now. 00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:06.139 Yeah. Use the audience and the characters. You 00:41:06.139 --> 00:41:12.539 really feel it when it's so loud. Yeah. Another 00:41:12.539 --> 00:41:15.960 aspect of the film I loved was the editing as 00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.340 well. Just from the very beginning, Christopher 00:41:19.340 --> 00:41:24.090 Nolan movies always play with time. But the way 00:41:24.090 --> 00:41:28.230 this movie was stitched together was also masterful 00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:30.889 on top of everything else. The first act of this 00:41:30.889 -->

00:41:34.429 movie is effectively Tom Holland's Telemachus 00:41:34.429 --> 00:41:36.969 hearing stories about Odysseus from other people. 00:41:37.130 --> 00:41:39.250 We basically never see him. We don't even see 00:41:39.250 --> 00:41:41.610 his face for the first 20 minutes, basically. 00:41:41.789 --> 00:41:44.469 For most of that time, we don't see his face. 00:41:44.530 --> 00:41:46.949 And even when we do, it's like very, very briefly 00:41:46.949 --> 00:41:49.690 or... Yeah, he has a couple scenes, like when 00:41:49.690 --> 00:41:51.750 he's hunting, we see him hunt the first time, 00:41:51.750 --> 00:41:56.190 and oh, we let the, we do the thwang on the bow 00:41:56.190 --> 00:41:58.610 to give the animal some warning, because that's 00:41:58.610 --> 00:42:02.010 just fair hunting. Which, okay, I saw somebody 00:42:02.010 --> 00:42:04.710 bring this up online, and I have to mention it, 00:42:04.750 --> 00:42:08.010 because it was cool. I like, they liked it. I 00:42:08.010 --> 00:42:10.489 liked how at the end there, when he does the 00:42:10.489 --> 00:42:12.389 bow, he gives the thwang, which is like, hey, 00:42:12.449 --> 00:42:14.969 that's what Odysseus does. Oh, and also he's 00:42:14.969 --> 00:42:19.840 giving his prey fair warning. everybody in that 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:22.780 room is the prey in that context and especially 00:42:22.780 --> 00:42:27.099 when yes and that shot in the back was where 00:42:27.099 --> 00:42:32.599 they had uh what um pattinson yes in the same 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:36.219 like just just behind the bow basically he's 00:42:36.219 --> 00:42:38.719 still right there and i thought that was a really 00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.539 well done shot it's it's the shot is focused 00:42:42.539 --> 00:42:44.780 on the bow i don't even think i don't even think 00:42:44.780 --> 00:42:48.449 odysseus's face was in the shot I think it was, 00:42:48.449 --> 00:42:50.829 if I remember correctly, it was focused on the 00:42:50.829 --> 00:42:53.550 bow. I think he was still hooded. Yeah. In his 00:42:53.550 --> 00:42:55.929 permanent disguise. And Pattinson in the back. 00:42:56.190 --> 00:43:00.429 And there was just the instant recognition when 00:43:00.429 --> 00:43:03.809 he did the thing. When he did the bow and it 00:43:03.809 --> 00:43:10.550 was the instant recognition of, oh, oh God. Yeah. 00:43:10.789 --> 00:43:14.829 But as I was in the editing. manages in this 00:43:14.829 --> 00:43:17.349 three -hour runtime to stitch together, oh, these 00:43:17.349 --> 00:43:20.389 are the legends of Odysseus. This is, oh, we 00:43:20.389 --> 00:43:22.329 start with the Trojan horse story because everybody 00:43:22.329 --> 00:43:24.289 knows that and everyone's kind of sick of hearing 00:43:24.289 --> 00:43:28.170 that one. Here's what people think of him. He 00:43:28.170 --> 00:43:30.650 was smart. He was honorable. He was brave. He 00:43:30.650 --> 00:43:33.949 was a great tactician, great soldier. And then 00:43:33.949 --> 00:43:37.170 we actually get to meet him and we see some of 00:43:37.170 --> 00:43:39.869 his adventures unfold. But we're also splicing... 00:43:40.250 --> 00:43:42.230 In two different timelines. Because we have the 00:43:42.230 --> 00:43:45.929 Odysseus timeline unfolding. But it's like a 00:43:45.929 --> 00:43:48.349 flashback on top of a flashback. Because we see 00:43:48.349 --> 00:43:52.409 what Penelope and Telemachus are doing. But also 00:43:52.409 --> 00:43:54.650 he's reminiscing with Calypso on the island. 00:43:54.989 --> 00:43:57.349 Yeah, did we have four timelines then? Well, 00:43:57.369 --> 00:43:59.329 not technically two were at the same time. But 00:43:59.329 --> 00:44:03.730 you had him reminiscing with Calypso. Telemachus 00:44:03.730 --> 00:44:07.510 and Penelope. uh telemachus and penelope then 00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:10.130 you've got his time on the ship and then his 00:44:10.130 --> 00:44:14.269 time in the war yeah so at least four timelines 00:44:14.269 --> 00:44:18.190 even though i mean technically somewhere along 00:44:18.190 --> 00:44:21.070 the way i guess telemachus would be lined up 00:44:21.070 --> 00:44:24.130 with the calypso with the calypso island at some 00:44:24.130 --> 00:44:26.530 point still technically the same timeline but 00:44:26.530 --> 00:44:30.070 like yeah which he kind of did in dunkirk as 00:44:30.070 --> 00:44:33.210 well if i recall dunkirk had the three major 00:44:33.210 --> 00:44:36.000 timelines that ended up stitching together in 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:40.780 the end. Yeah. I, well, I think that was the, 00:44:40.820 --> 00:44:43.440 the, the cool part was that when they stitched 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:49.940 together, uh, when they came together, after 00:44:49.940 --> 00:44:53.159 that all came together was the straight focus 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:56.380 to, we're going to mess these guys up. It was 00:44:56.380 --> 00:45:00.000 basically all of that tied into bam. It, everything 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.730 collided as the last half. He ended up, On the 00:45:03.730 --> 00:45:06.010 beach of Ithaca. We never had another flashback 00:45:06.010 --> 00:45:09.010 after that. No, it was full focus after that. 00:45:09.230 --> 00:45:12.190 We are straight focused. And I really liked that 00:45:12.190 --> 00:45:14.929 it went from, it jumped around a lot. It was 00:45:14.929 --> 00:45:16.769 all over the place, jumping, jumping, jumping 00:45:16.769 --> 00:45:20.530 to instant focus. We're here. We are focused. 00:45:20.989 --> 00:45:23.210 So just the whole structure of this movie. And 00:45:23.210 --> 00:45:25.489 I think that's what made it all the more satisfying 00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:28.269 is that we spend this whole movie jumping around, 00:45:28.329 --> 00:45:30.429 getting bits and pieces of everybody's story. 00:45:31.050 --> 00:45:33.610 And then in that last hour, it all comes together 00:45:33.610 --> 00:45:37.369 and it all pays off at once. And it's

just a 00:45:37.369 --> 00:45:40.429 gut punch of satisfying. Well, yeah, everything 00:45:40.429 --> 00:45:45.730 was building to that. I just, I thematically 00:45:45.730 --> 00:45:48.590 even to think about it, everything built to him 00:45:48.590 --> 00:45:53.110 getting home. Literally. Yeah. All of that build 00:45:53.110 --> 00:45:57.150 up to the second he's on his homeland. That's 00:45:57.150 --> 00:45:59.190 where everything built up to was him touching 00:45:59.190 --> 00:46:04.059 Ithaca. yes and that's when we focused it and 00:46:04.059 --> 00:46:07.760 it was oh man yeah once again everything from 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.579 everything from the gods and his own uh and his 00:46:12.579 --> 00:46:16.480 own death of ego to penelope and telemachus waiting 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:18.940 for him the suitors waiting for him to be confirmed 00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:23.699 dead the servants awaiting his return as well. 00:46:23.780 --> 00:46:26.340 Just like every, you could feel it hanging in 00:46:26.340 --> 00:46:29.159 the air. Everybody, everything was setting up 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.440 for this moment. And I like how they still don't 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:34.860 have an immediate payoff. He gets to Ithaca, 00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.920 but oh, then he's got to go and save Telemachus 00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.159 because Telemachus is going to get assassinated. 00:46:41.300 --> 00:46:44.440 So, oh, I got to save him. And I'm here in disguise 00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.719 because of that fable of Agamemnon who came home. 00:46:48.349 --> 00:46:50.929 with a parade and got stabbed because he didn't 00:46:50.929 --> 00:46:54.150 know he wasn't welcome back home so he comes 00:46:54.150 --> 00:46:59.829 as a hermit he walks around the halls and takes 00:46:59.829 --> 00:47:03.869 food as a beggar he sees the suitors that have 00:47:03.869 --> 00:47:06.170 been infecting his palace for the last decade 00:47:06.170 --> 00:47:10.110 he see he really gets to take in just what his 00:47:10.110 --> 00:47:15.070 family was left to deal with in his absence he 00:47:16.329 --> 00:47:20.809 Well, he proves himself as a worthy helper to 00:47:20.809 --> 00:47:24.130 Telemachus when he saves his life. He gets beaten 00:47:24.130 --> 00:47:26.369 down by Robert Pattinson in front of everybody. 00:47:27.329 --> 00:47:31.030 If you think about it, that's actually... I'm 00:47:31.030 --> 00:47:33.170 just coming to this conclusion now is that... 00:47:34.030 --> 00:47:37.769 You talked about how his ultimate conclusion 00:47:37.769 --> 00:47:39.829 was that he humbled himself before the gods. 00:47:40.030 --> 00:47:42.630 He's humble the rest of the way through. The 00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:45.130 last hour, he's a beggar in his own house. Yeah, 00:47:45.289 --> 00:47:47.389 and he takes the beatings. He takes everything. 00:47:47.690 --> 00:47:52.309 Yeah, you're bringing it full circle. I just 00:47:52.309 --> 00:47:58.110 clicked into that. That's, holy cow. Yeah. Returns 00:47:58.110 --> 00:48:03.599 home a beggar. And all that. And I love the way 00:48:03.599 --> 00:48:05.820 it built to the contest where like, oh yeah, 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.820 there's going to be a contest. And then he's 00:48:08.820 --> 00:48:10.639 just hanging out in the background the entire 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:12.679 time. And they're like, who's letting the hermit 00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:16.760 stay in here? Like they have a chance. And then 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.679 the old beggar from the back of the room is the 00:48:18.679 --> 00:48:22.400 only guy who can string the bow. When all these 00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:26.500 haughty nobles who think they're better than 00:48:26.500 --> 00:48:31.239 everybody else can't do it. And then the master 00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:34.239 comes home and it's kind of that perfect synthesis 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.940 of, oh, this is Odysseus, the king in beggar's 00:48:38.940 --> 00:48:42.159 clothing. He kind of reconciles all of his personalities 00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:44.599 there. Like, so he's in the beggar's, he's in 00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:47.920 the hermit's clothing. He's wearing leather armor 00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:51.000 underneath as well. So he's Odysseus, the beggar 00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.119 soldier and king all at once in that final scene. 00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:57.699 So it's everything thematically, costume -wise, 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.849 makeup -wise. Everything is coming together for 00:49:01.849 --> 00:49:08.369 just that grand payoff. And his relationship 00:49:08.369 --> 00:49:11.630 with his son as well. Odysseus, the father, husband, 00:49:11.849 --> 00:49:19.409 family man. It all culminates together. Imperfection. 00:49:21.150 --> 00:49:27.090 And something I liked was that when he's working 00:49:27.090 --> 00:49:30.420 his plan with Telemachus, he basically doesn't, 00:49:30.420 --> 00:49:33.800 he's so smart. He's like three steps ahead of 00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:37.119 everybody. So he's like, yes, just tell your 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:39.079 mother to remarry. And Telemachus is like, I 00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:41.019 don't, I don't understand this at all. And his 00:49:41.019 --> 00:49:48.599 mother's really upset about it. Yeah. And not 00:49:48.599 --> 00:49:51.619 actually formulating a plan. He was so confident 00:49:51.619 --> 00:49:56.610 that he knew what was going to happen. That that 00:49:56.610 --> 00:49:59.409 was his plan was I'm three steps ahead of everybody 00:49:59.409 --> 00:50:03.050 here. I know exactly what my wife is going to 00:50:03.050 --> 00:50:06.789 do. She wants to prove any of these guys is as 00:50:06.789 --> 00:50:09.570 good a man as her husband and nobody else could 00:50:09.570 --> 00:50:14.969 do the bow. And that was triggered by Telemachus 00:50:14.969 --> 00:50:20.010 essentially talking down Odysseus like he's kind 00:50:20.010 --> 00:50:22.380 of. In that scene, that's what makes her the

00:50:22.380 --> 00:50:24.900 most upset is that Telemachus kind of acts like, 00:50:24.980 --> 00:50:27.679 oh, Odysseus doesn't really matter. I'm man of 00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:29.559 the house now. Let me be king. I can be man of 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.340 the house. We can just say he's dead. It's fine. 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:34.559 And that really upsets her and puts her mind 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.360 on... You disrespectful boy. Yeah. You don't 00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:38.980 know what you're talking about. You're not man 00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:40.780 enough to run this house. And then she's going 00:50:40.780 --> 00:50:44.179 to go... That puts her on the train of, none 00:50:44.179 --> 00:50:46.559 of you, none of you are man enough to run this 00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:50.139 house. Odysseus was the most powerful. If any 00:50:50.139 --> 00:50:52.539 of you can prove you were at least equal to the 00:50:52.539 --> 00:50:57.960 man he was, then fine. Yeah. It was cool that 00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.820 he plays the mental chess, basically. Definitely. 00:51:02.340 --> 00:51:07.920 Like... Odysseus in the source material is more... 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:12.880 He talks a lot. He talks too much, probably. 00:51:14.699 --> 00:51:18.400 Showboater. Yes, he's a showboater and... That's 00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:21.039 the way he shows that he's the smartest. It's 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.179 there. The way he manipulates people is there 00:51:24.179 --> 00:51:28.500 in this script. It's just not, it's not front 00:51:28.500 --> 00:51:31.260 loaded. It's not in the dialogue. It is, if you 00:51:31.260 --> 00:51:36.460 pay attention, it is there. Yes. He is manipulating 00:51:36.460 --> 00:51:39.679 people. He is doing lots to manipulate people. 00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.000 I think one of the only times he gets called 00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:46.199 out for it is when Elliot Page's characters sign 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:49.380 on. was talking to him from the afterlife and 00:51:49.380 --> 00:51:52.679 said hey you you lied to me you never told me 00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:56.440 what was actually going on you left me as a sacrificial 00:51:56.440 --> 00:52:01.460 pawn in the first scene didn't know anybody was 00:52:01.460 --> 00:52:03.559 hiding in there i didn't know what was actually 00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:07.179 happening you just left me to die basically yeah 00:52:07.179 --> 00:52:12.260 and he got called out when he when he when he 00:52:12.260 --> 00:52:14.659 tricked them with the whirlpool as well yeah 00:52:15.309 --> 00:52:17.269 He got called out a couple of times. He gets 00:52:17.269 --> 00:52:22.309 called out sometimes. But there is a lot of subtlety 00:52:22.309 --> 00:52:28.769 to it, too. Like, there was... There were also 00:52:28.769 --> 00:52:32.929 really subtle moments that were weaved in of 00:52:32.929 --> 00:52:36.309 people recognizing Odysseus. Like, obviously 00:52:36.309 --> 00:52:38.230 there was the one where the servant recognized 00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:42.050 the bite, which was also subtle because that 00:52:42.050 --> 00:52:46.119 was... Two and a half hours earlier. Yes. And 00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:48.360 was just a one -off. They didn't reference it 00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:50.280 again. They just showed the scar. If you weren't 00:52:50.280 --> 00:52:51.940 really paying attention, you wouldn't really 00:52:51.940 --> 00:52:54.539 know what she saw. It was like a two -second 00:52:54.539 --> 00:52:57.320 shot where you saw, oh, she took off his sandal 00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.440 to wash his feet. And then she looked with recognition. 00:53:01.519 --> 00:53:04.420 If you closed your eyes for that two seconds 00:53:04.420 --> 00:53:06.960 and missed the scar. Yeah. We were like, you'd 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:09.250 have no idea how she... And when you also have 00:53:09.250 --> 00:53:11.570 to connect that back in your own brain, oh, she 00:53:11.570 --> 00:53:14.590 was the one who stitched up that wound 20 years 00:53:14.590 --> 00:53:17.610 ago. And that's why she knows. And the movie 00:53:17.610 --> 00:53:19.650 didn't spell that out for you. It just showed 00:53:19.650 --> 00:53:23.070 she looked at Scar and had a moment of recognition. 00:53:23.170 --> 00:53:26.050 And it's up to the viewer to say, oh, I remember 00:53:26.050 --> 00:53:28.969 why from two hours ago. And then there was also 00:53:28.969 --> 00:53:32.909 a way more subtle was when Mentor was dying. 00:53:32.989 --> 00:53:35.409 That was the first time Odysseus kind of showed 00:53:35.409 --> 00:53:39.179 somebody his face. And Mentor... you could you 00:53:39.179 --> 00:53:43.059 saw that look of recognition that he's like oh 00:53:43.059 --> 00:53:47.320 i missed that one i think it was really subtle 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:49.880 it was in his like dying moments like odysseus 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:53.679 went went over to to check on him and they they 00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:56.719 locked eyes they were like eye contact and he 00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:00.880 was like odysseus is back and that and then and 00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:04.320 then he's dead yeah this needs a rewatch i missed 00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:11.010 little moments like that for sure Um, so as far 00:54:11.010 --> 00:54:14.489 as critiques go, I think the only one I, and 00:54:14.489 --> 00:54:17.849 it's a little nitpicky is just the Telemachus 00:54:17.849 --> 00:54:22.130 arc didn't rouse me as much as the other ones. 00:54:23.030 --> 00:54:26.809 Uh, I think there is some poignancy in there 00:54:26.809 --> 00:54:30.869 of, okay, this, it's sort of also a death of 00:54:30.869 --> 00:54:36.340 ego of he thinks maybe he's ready. To be king 00:54:36.340 --> 00:54:39.000 and take his father's place. And he never knew 00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.860 his father really. But his whole journey is hearing. 00:54:44.059 --> 00:54:46.420 What the rest of the world thinks about his father. 00:54:46.780 --> 00:54:50.280 And kind

of reconciling in the end. Oh this is 00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:56.420 the legend. Compared to the actual man. Who abandoned 00:54:56.420 --> 00:54:58.860 me. But he doesn't seem to really care about 00:54:58.860 --> 00:55:00.880 that. Because he never knew him. And he knew 00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.639 it was a. Okay he went off to war. Whatever. 00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:06.960 but he kind of went from oh I'm I can probably 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:11.139 be king and why doesn't my mom just remarry or 00:55:11.139 --> 00:55:13.699 get rid of these guys or burn them out of the 00:55:13.699 --> 00:55:19.000 house whatever to oh yeah no I get why she couldn't 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.699 replace this guy why everybody speaks so highly 00:55:22.699 --> 00:55:26.880 of him and I get to see it in action now and 00:55:26.880 --> 00:55:30.539 I'm gonna help that so he kind of loses his own 00:55:30.539 --> 00:55:33.940 ego along the path as well Or at least that's 00:55:33.940 --> 00:55:35.559 what I take away from it, because I think that 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.519 one was less fleshed out than other ones. I got 00:55:38.519 --> 00:55:42.659 a little bit of something similar, but there 00:55:42.659 --> 00:55:47.059 were some things that I noticed. To me, Telemachus 00:55:47.059 --> 00:55:52.199 was learning how to be a proper king. And even 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:58.659 when Odysseus comes back, he's guiding him to 00:55:58.659 --> 00:56:02.300 be correct. He's trying to guide his son to not 00:56:02.300 --> 00:56:07.480 follow his example. So he's like, okay, yes, 00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:12.079 we came back in secret and hiding. I want you 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:14.260 to come back as the proper king. I want you to 00:56:14.260 --> 00:56:16.340 go back to your ship and come back and present 00:56:16.340 --> 00:56:19.739 yourself the way you should. And so Telemachus 00:56:19.739 --> 00:56:25.000 comes back and he's right in the faces of the 00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.750 suitors. He comes back adorned and like... beautiful 00:56:29.750 --> 00:56:32.909 gown and and all the stuff he brought back he 00:56:32.909 --> 00:56:35.489 has the heroes welcome right he comes back instead 00:56:35.489 --> 00:56:39.130 of coming back in secret like he was going to 00:56:39.130 --> 00:56:42.849 at that point yeah he's like you gotta come back 00:56:42.849 --> 00:56:46.650 you can't you can't kill the suitors you need 00:56:46.650 --> 00:56:49.269 to be you need to be respectful you need to be 00:56:49.269 --> 00:56:53.190 you need to odysseus teaches him to play politics 00:56:53.190 --> 00:56:57.909 yes but it's almost like odysseus is Trying to 00:56:57.909 --> 00:57:02.969 make up for, I guess, not fathering his son in 00:57:02.969 --> 00:57:07.389 a way. But he's trying to... I just like that 00:57:07.389 --> 00:57:11.730 that point was that Odysseus was like, I want... 00:57:11.730 --> 00:57:16.010 Very quickly, he's immediately trying to teach 00:57:16.010 --> 00:57:21.110 his son to be a proper king. The way Odysseus 00:57:21.110 --> 00:57:26.679 should have been. Yeah, it was kind of a... I 00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.760 struggled with the hero's journey a bit because 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:32.940 I didn't really understand who Telemachus was 00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:36.019 as a person outside of, okay, on a base level 00:57:36.019 --> 00:57:39.519 hero's journey, you're showing bravery by putting 00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:42.800 a target on yourself by leaving home. You go 00:57:42.800 --> 00:57:47.000 see Menelaus and you hear a lot of these stories 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:50.260 and you're kind of forming your own worldview. 00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:53.360 And like you said, he gets taught some kingly. 00:57:54.490 --> 00:57:58.889 But I feel like everybody else, I had a far firmer 00:57:58.889 --> 00:58:01.389 grasp on who they were as a character. But for 00:58:01.389 --> 00:58:06.690 him, I see these different... I see some themes. 00:58:06.809 --> 00:58:09.409 I see a collection of themes more than I see 00:58:09.409 --> 00:58:14.289 a three -dimensional character. And that's not... 00:58:14.289 --> 00:58:16.670 Tom Holland was very good in it. I just think 00:58:16.670 --> 00:58:19.469 the writing for Telemachus is the weakest part. 00:58:19.690 --> 00:58:22.170 I gotta say, source material -wise, Telemachus 00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:25.030 is pretty weak. In source material, too. I think 00:58:25.030 --> 00:58:27.710 they've actually improved upon him. He's more 00:58:27.710 --> 00:58:30.650 of a vessel for telling the story. I see. In 00:58:30.650 --> 00:58:36.110 a way. I see. Which, yes, as the audience as 00:58:36.110 --> 00:58:38.449 well, we're learning about Odysseus through his 00:58:38.449 --> 00:58:42.550 journey of learning about Odysseus. So he's important 00:58:42.550 --> 00:58:47.570 in that regard. For people who don't know any 00:58:47.570 --> 00:58:53.469 better. I feel like I was going to talk about 00:58:53.469 --> 00:58:56.809 something else, and now I'm totally... Different 00:58:56.809 --> 00:59:00.050 character? Different... No, something... Telemachus 00:59:00.050 --> 00:59:04.630 still? May have been. Oh, no, I'm blanking. I'm 00:59:04.630 --> 00:59:06.869 totally blanking. What do you have in mind? Anything 00:59:06.869 --> 00:59:12.650 else? Well, you talked about your one complaint. 00:59:12.730 --> 00:59:16.469 My one complaint was that I thought it felt... 00:59:17.739 --> 00:59:20.480 It started to drag a little bit in the middle. 00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:22.579 Not that it wasn't entertaining, just that it 00:59:22.579 --> 00:59:26.260 felt like some of it wasn't necessary. But me 00:59:26.260 --> 00:59:28.260 knowing the source material, I'm like, you basically 00:59:28.260 --> 00:59:32.599 covered everything. There's a few things that 00:59:32.599 --> 00:59:36.559 are missing that I'm kind of glad they didn't 00:59:36.559 --> 00:59:41.860 do. Like Odysseus's frame tail is

not there, 00:59:42.019 --> 00:59:46.280 which is good. They skipped a little bit of things. 00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:49.440 But otherwise they covered pretty much the majority 00:59:49.440 --> 00:59:53.440 of everything, at least the main parts. And I 00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:57.360 was pretty impressed with that. But still as 00:59:57.360 --> 01:00:02.019 a movie, I just think it just dragged just a 01:00:02.019 --> 01:00:04.320 bit in the middle. If they took out one sequence, 01:00:04.619 --> 01:00:07.280 it probably would have shortened it up. But at 01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:09.820 the same time, there was still so much going 01:00:09.820 --> 01:00:11.940 on and it was so entertaining and it was so well 01:00:11.940 --> 01:00:14.219 done. I feel like if you were going to chop one, 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.380 maybe this is my ignorance talking. But I feel 01:00:17.380 --> 01:00:21.940 like every other sequence I can find some thematic 01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:24.860 meaning to or furthering Odysseus' character 01:00:24.860 --> 01:00:28.199 development, except for those giants. Yeah. The 01:00:28.199 --> 01:00:30.480 giants, I'm like, that's the only other instance 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.460 of, okay, we just saw this with the Cyclops. 01:00:32.460 --> 01:00:35.639 He got in over his mind and something bigger 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.940 than he can, him and his guys can handle chased 01:00:38.940 --> 01:00:42.559 him off the island. And I didn't see any more 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:45.059 growth from the character there. I didn't see 01:00:45.059 --> 01:00:48.690 any. Like, oh, this was a puzzle or this was 01:00:48.690 --> 01:00:52.789 something he could outsmart or something he got 01:00:52.789 --> 01:00:55.389 introspective knowledge about himself or his 01:00:55.389 --> 01:00:59.329 mission or his guys on. It just felt like we 01:00:59.329 --> 01:01:02.210 got to the island, saw something scary, had some 01:01:02.210 --> 01:01:06.190 action scene and then left. Yeah. That was probably 01:01:06.190 --> 01:01:10.190 the one that if you had to take one out to clean 01:01:10.190 --> 01:01:12.409 up time, that would be the one. Every other one. 01:01:12.469 --> 01:01:14.469 I think the only thing it added was obviously 01:01:14.469 --> 01:01:19.780 it. cleaned up his crew a bit and also yeah drove 01:01:19.780 --> 01:01:22.780 really hard the the desperation like when they 01:01:22.780 --> 01:01:26.119 go to the cyclops island they're they're not 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.860 even really that desperate they're like oh hey 01:01:28.860 --> 01:01:31.840 this is good we'll get some sheep all right they 01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:35.860 just get screwed right yeah well they they got 01:01:35.860 --> 01:01:37.840 overconfident they bring they bring their own 01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:42.179 downfall on themselves yes but still they're 01:01:42.179 --> 01:01:45.070 not really that stressed at that point they're 01:01:45.070 --> 01:01:47.329 like oh sweet we found an island perfect see 01:01:47.329 --> 01:01:50.929 i told you we'd find an island by the time they 01:01:50.929 --> 01:01:54.510 get to the giant one they're like okay we're 01:01:54.510 --> 01:01:57.110 a little bit stressed here and that puts the 01:01:57.110 --> 01:02:00.989 crew really on edge to set them up for cersei's 01:02:00.989 --> 01:02:04.630 scene yes i think that's that's the only thing 01:02:04.630 --> 01:02:09.340 it did and i mean i say only but like Yeah, that 01:02:09.340 --> 01:02:12.519 was probably the one that you'd take out. You 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:14.699 could have shaved another 10 minutes off. But 01:02:14.699 --> 01:02:17.559 I'm glad they basically covered everything that 01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.119 way. They made it the definitive adaptation. 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:24.059 Yeah, like there's not much more you can bring 01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:26.519 into it that wouldn't really drag the pacing 01:02:26.519 --> 01:02:29.099 down. So I remembered the other thing I was going 01:02:29.099 --> 01:02:31.840 to say. So about the writing, this one's a positive. 01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:35.400 I really like that scene between Tom Holland 01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.579 and Robert Pattinson where... robert pattinson 01:02:38.579 --> 01:02:42.139 was kind of was kind of taunting him and like 01:02:42.139 --> 01:02:46.199 oh well you you know you you just be a good little 01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.679 prince and do what your mother wants and she's 01:02:48.679 --> 01:02:50.659 like what she wants is to burn you all alive 01:02:50.659 --> 01:02:55.179 in here that was my favorite that was so great 01:02:55.179 --> 01:02:58.500 yeah it's like he's sitting there thinking you 01:02:58.500 --> 01:03:01.190 can just see he's just He's thinking, oh, that's 01:03:01.190 --> 01:03:03.550 just something the kids said, but it's a direct 01:03:03.550 --> 01:03:05.809 quote. That was the most, that's the most perfect 01:03:05.809 --> 01:03:08.170 callback in the whole script. It was so good. 01:03:08.530 --> 01:03:10.909 I'm like, that scene alone would be pretty badass 01:03:10.909 --> 01:03:14.090 if like, if that was just his response. I think 01:03:14.090 --> 01:03:16.710 that would be like, that might be an iconic response 01:03:16.710 --> 01:03:19.610 just in that scene. But the fact that it's a 01:03:19.610 --> 01:03:23.889 direct quote from her, like 20 minutes ago, that's 01:03:23.889 --> 01:03:27.550 amazing. And that's at, that's at the point where. 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.739 Their fates are basically cemented at that point. 01:03:31.980 --> 01:03:36.519 Yeah. They're in the endgame. Yeah. We haven't 01:03:36.519 --> 01:03:38.280 talked much about the action yet, and I think 01:03:38.280 --> 01:03:41.739 that's the last thing I want to cover. I'll only 01:03:41.739 --> 01:03:46.860 say that it's really fast -paced, showed everybody's 01:03:46.860 --> 01:03:51.920 skills, and was suitably violent. My favorite 01:03:51.920

--> 01:03:54.619 part about the filmmaking for the action is... 01:03:55.179 --> 01:03:57.480 The way Nolan puts you mostly in perspective 01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:02.679 shots, most of the cameras level to the eye of 01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:05.139 the average height of the soldiers and you're 01:04:05.139 --> 01:04:09.780 following the battles with them, basically. Right 01:04:09.780 --> 01:04:12.480 next to them as they're jumping in and out of 01:04:12.480 --> 01:04:14.519 the boats and wading through the waters and the 01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:16.940 forest and getting clobbered by cyclopses and 01:04:16.940 --> 01:04:20.340 knights and you're on the ground with them most 01:04:20.340 --> 01:04:27.289 of the time. oh disney is specifically but it's 01:04:27.289 --> 01:04:29.829 mostly ground level they didn't really give you 01:04:29.829 --> 01:04:32.849 a heck of a lot of establishing shots or seeing 01:04:32.849 --> 01:04:36.989 the armies in a really wide take yeah most of 01:04:36.989 --> 01:04:39.730 it is like a cameraman on the ground that's true 01:04:39.730 --> 01:04:41.989 and they kept that eye level for for a lot of 01:04:41.989 --> 01:04:44.550 things too because like there's a lot of things 01:04:44.550 --> 01:04:47.449 that are bigger than them including like agamemnon 01:04:47.449 --> 01:04:50.650 yeah when when you're when you're at that average 01:04:50.650 --> 01:04:54.489 height and then you've got big agamemnon coming 01:04:54.489 --> 01:04:58.369 through your every shot of him is like this it's 01:04:58.369 --> 01:05:03.489 pointed up yes and it's not it's not that they've 01:05:03.489 --> 01:05:05.969 changed the camera angle to point up it's literally 01:05:05.969 --> 01:05:08.409 that he's walked up to somebody when we are at 01:05:08.409 --> 01:05:11.510 the high level yeah we're already at that level 01:05:11.510 --> 01:05:15.489 so it makes him big and intimidating when he 01:05:15.489 --> 01:05:19.610 when he comes through yes which was really cool 01:05:20.250 --> 01:05:25.789 I 100 % agree that that framing choice made all 01:05:25.789 --> 01:05:30.590 the mythical elements feel even more grand than 01:05:30.590 --> 01:05:34.269 they would have been. Otherwise, if you filmed 01:05:34.269 --> 01:05:38.369 it a different way, this is weird for these characters 01:05:38.369 --> 01:05:40.750 and it's weird for our world, but it makes it 01:05:40.750 --> 01:05:43.309 feel like whatever real person happened upon 01:05:43.309 --> 01:05:46.269 these things. And that's sort of the context 01:05:46.269 --> 01:05:48.949 for the story, too, because... A lot of people 01:05:48.949 --> 01:05:50.849 know Greek mythology and they're like, okay, 01:05:50.909 --> 01:05:53.110 yeah, Hercules fought monsters and there's all 01:05:53.110 --> 01:05:56.170 sorts of monsters. When it gets to the Trojan 01:05:56.170 --> 01:05:59.110 War, there's no monsters. Achilles is known as 01:05:59.110 --> 01:06:03.969 the last Greek hero and he never

fights any monsters. 01:06:04.849 --> 01:06:07.969 There aren't really monsters at this point in 01:06:07.969 --> 01:06:12.369 the timeline. The monsters are pretty much stories 01:06:12.369 --> 01:06:18.179 or far away or you don't really know. For the 01:06:18.179 --> 01:06:20.780 context, Odysseus and his men running into weird 01:06:20.780 --> 01:06:23.760 stuff like this is extremely weird. That would 01:06:23.760 --> 01:06:26.860 be like us going into the woods and finding Bigfoot. 01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:31.900 We're like, oh, okay. Heard about this. I've 01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:34.719 heard about this, but like, I was pretty sure 01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:38.559 that this was just made up. Yeah. And then Bigfoot 01:06:38.559 --> 01:06:41.460 rips your head off and then... You run away back 01:06:41.460 --> 01:06:48.949 into your boat. Back to the ship! Yeah. Last 01:06:48.949 --> 01:06:51.489 thing I'll say, and I won't even get too far 01:06:51.489 --> 01:06:54.010 into it, but the controversies about this movie 01:06:54.010 --> 01:06:58.150 were stupid. It set people against it right away, 01:06:58.289 --> 01:07:03.090 and I'm on Camp Nolan when he said, watch the 01:07:03.090 --> 01:07:08.070 movie. People are going to talk before they see 01:07:08.070 --> 01:07:11.449 it, but the only definitive answers are in the 01:07:11.449 --> 01:07:15.090 movie. I mean, it made me laugh that so many 01:07:15.090 --> 01:07:17.699 people were upset about Elliot Page. And then 01:07:17.699 --> 01:07:20.579 it was like, the first 30 seconds. It's like, 01:07:20.659 --> 01:07:23.360 okay. I'm like, oh, this isn't going to go well 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:25.340 for those people because Elliot Page is the first 01:07:25.340 --> 01:07:28.880 character you see. And he's dead. Right away. 01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:33.780 Okay. Yeah. That was quick. It made me laugh 01:07:33.780 --> 01:07:37.420 because I'm like, are they going to show back 01:07:37.420 --> 01:07:41.119 up? I don't know. What are the haters going to 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:45.300 say about this? I thought that was a little amusing. 01:07:46.090 --> 01:07:49.929 That's so much of the online vitriol revolved 01:07:49.929 --> 01:07:54.369 around Elliot Page's casting and over and done 01:07:54.369 --> 01:07:59.130 with in scene one. And it was wrong. Yeah, Elliot 01:07:59.130 --> 01:08:01.909 Page is playing Achilles. Achilles is supposed 01:08:01.909 --> 01:08:06.769 to be like a manly man. No, no. It wasn't even 01:08:06.769 --> 01:08:10.849 Achilles. You were playing the weak little farmer 01:08:10.849 --> 01:08:20.069 bully. So... Overblown. forget it like the controversies 01:08:20.069 --> 01:08:23.729 weren't even controversial in the movie what 01:08:23.729 --> 01:08:27.149 what people were mad about worked perfectly well 01:08:27.149 --> 01:08:30.449 within the movie or wasn't even what people thought 01:08:30.449 --> 01:08:36.430 it was or just ridiculous just watch the movie 01:08:36.430 --> 01:08:38.760 instead of complaining about it I don't want 01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:40.619 to hear complaints unless you've actually seen 01:08:40.619 --> 01:08:42.720 the movie. Yeah, I see too much of that online. 01:08:42.859 --> 01:08:45.220 It's really annoying. I'm like... Yeah, don't 01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:47.239 complain about what you think it's going to be. 01:08:47.579 --> 01:08:51.300 Like, I get it. I get the complaints. I'm kind 01:08:51.300 --> 01:08:54.399 of like, you know, could they have cast differently? 01:08:54.600 --> 01:08:59.039 Yeah, it was an option. But like... Yeah, I understand. 01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:02.420 It doesn't really change anything. It doesn't 01:09:02.420 --> 01:09:04.600 really affect it. It's not... It doesn't ruin 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:07.420 the movie. It doesn't... As a fan of certain 01:09:07.420 --> 01:09:11.680 media, franchises specifically, I can get my 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:16.020 back up when I see certain castings or decisions. 01:09:16.739 --> 01:09:19.680 But I always reserve final judgment for the final 01:09:19.680 --> 01:09:24.380 product. Whatever I see in marketing is just 01:09:24.380 --> 01:09:29.560 snippets without context. The only way to really 01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:33.119 judge something is to experience it for yourself. 01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.159 Just seeing what you think is going to happen. 01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:38.279 You're just making up a story in your own mind 01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:42.359 to get upset about. I think that's the thing. 01:09:42.460 --> 01:09:49.039 Nobody really knows. You have to just watch it. 01:09:49.199 --> 01:09:52.060 Yeah. And then you'll find out. Judge it as a 01:09:52.060 --> 01:09:54.520 movie. Don't judge it about the actors. Don't 01:09:54.520 --> 01:09:57.220 judge it about all the stuff. Judge it within 01:09:57.220 --> 01:10:00.039 the world of the movie. Watch the movie. Yes. 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:03.100 And I'm going to say watch the movie ASAP. That's 01:10:03.100 --> 01:10:08.119 my highest ranking. That's my creme de la creme. 01:10:08.140 --> 01:10:12.239 I rarely ever give that one out. I'm doing my 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:15.579 two thumbs up, but also know this is on my top 01:10:15.579 --> 01:10:18.359 ten of all time already. Those two thumbs turn 01:10:18.359 --> 01:10:21.579 into a giant thumb. One giant thumb. No, that's 01:10:21.579 --> 01:10:24.300 not a real rating, Joe. I'm not doing that because... 01:10:24.569 --> 01:10:27.409 I seriously doubt there will be movies that crack 01:10:27.409 --> 01:10:30.550 my top 10. Why? I can make an animation out of 01:10:30.550 --> 01:10:32.909 it. Justin has a two thumbs up, but if he really 01:10:32.909 --> 01:10:39.470 likes it, they boom into the mega thumb. This 01:10:39.470 --> 01:10:45.970 is a mega thumb movie. Only if you do four CGI 01:10:45.970 --> 01:10:49.430 for it, Joe. Oh, our audio listeners won't. Two 01:10:49.430 --> 01:10:56.000 thumbs mega thumb. The highest

of all praise. 01:10:57.180 --> 01:11:01.000 Oh, boy. But really, I mean, there's so little 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.199 to dislike about this movie. It's got excellent 01:11:05.199 --> 01:11:10.819 cast. It's so immersive. It captures the mythical, 01:11:10.859 --> 01:11:14.920 legendary world of the Odyssey and transplants 01:11:14.920 --> 01:11:19.279 a 2 ,000 -year -old story both faithfully and 01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:23.409 also thematically resonates with modern audiences 01:11:23.409 --> 01:11:27.170 or these two modern audiences anyway because 01:11:27.170 --> 01:11:30.869 i mean we can't speak for everyone else but it 01:11:30.869 --> 01:11:33.449 is only opening weekend as we record this but 01:11:33.449 --> 01:11:39.970 for my money it uh it rang true to the world 01:11:39.970 --> 01:11:43.289 the characters their struggles they felt relatable 01:11:43.289 --> 01:11:48.130 to me i took a lot away from this movie justin 01:11:48.130 --> 01:11:51.779 and i had like An hour -long theological -spiritual 01:11:51.779 --> 01:11:55.399 discussion after the movie that it prompted. 01:11:56.699 --> 01:11:59.140 And then we had more discussion the next day, 01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:01.079 and now we're talking about it now, and we're 01:12:01.079 --> 01:12:04.340 still figuring new things out. There's a lot 01:12:04.340 --> 01:12:08.100 to unpack here, and it's resonant. Even if you 01:12:08.100 --> 01:12:12.300 can't logically explain your feelings away, it 01:12:12.300 --> 01:12:17.250 makes me feel... which movies aren't like it's 01:12:17.250 --> 01:12:20.529 both intellectual and on an emotional level it's 01:12:20.529 --> 01:12:25.550 it's very great and everything about it is just 01:12:25.550 --> 01:12:29.229 very is so well made on a technical level of 01:12:29.229 --> 01:12:32.970 the the music the action the uh the camera work 01:12:32.970 --> 01:12:36.289 the blocking the sound design as i said is my 01:12:36.289 --> 01:12:39.689 favorite part the acting just what's not to love 01:12:39.689 --> 01:12:43.390 one little touch on the controversies and the 01:12:43.390 --> 01:12:46.670 uh changes from the original source material 01:12:46.670 --> 01:12:51.470 and stuff like that. Remember, that is in the 01:12:51.470 --> 01:12:56.029 history of the story. When it was a verbal story, 01:12:56.189 --> 01:12:59.529 it was orally told. Things changed over every 01:12:59.529 --> 01:13:01.569 different variation. There were many different 01:13:01.569 --> 01:13:03.810 variations and things were slightly different. 01:13:03.930 --> 01:13:07.729 This is just like that. It's another variation 01:13:07.729 --> 01:13:11.090 of the same story being told. So I don't think 01:13:11.090 --> 01:13:13.670 anybody should be upset. When, if anything's 01:13:13.670 --> 01:13:15.590 a little bit different or a little bit changed 01:13:15.590 --> 01:13:18.550 or a little bit mixed up because. It's a living 01:13:18.550 --> 01:13:21.369 tale. It's a living tale. That was always the 01:13:21.369 --> 01:13:23.729 history of it. Just because one guy who knew 01:13:23.729 --> 01:13:28.029 how to write wrote it down. Yeah. That doesn't 01:13:28.029 --> 01:13:30.670 have to be the definitive version. It was 2000 01:13:30.670 --> 01:13:33.630 years ago. It's okay to be a little bit different. 01:13:33.689 --> 01:13:37.899 Yeah. Like it doesn't like the stories floated 01:13:37.899 --> 01:13:40.140 around for so long and then was written down 01:13:40.140 --> 01:13:42.220 and then it's like, what? So that's the cemented 01:13:42.220 --> 01:13:45.119 version for 2000 years. Okay. And it can never 01:13:45.119 --> 01:13:48.800 change ever again. Yeah. Especially when it comes 01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:51.300 from an oral tradition that belongs to the people. 01:13:51.380 --> 01:13:55.300 Homer just took his version and codified his 01:13:55.300 --> 01:13:58.140 telling of the story, which is the most famous 01:13:58.140 --> 01:14:01.619 one, but it belongs to everybody and everybody 01:14:01.619 --> 01:14:06.229 can have their take on it. That's why. I actually 01:14:06.229 --> 01:14:08.770 really liked that there was, that things were 01:14:08.770 --> 01:14:10.649 emphasized a little different and a little bit, 01:14:10.670 --> 01:14:13.850 it was changed a little bit and it made it better 01:14:13.850 --> 01:14:16.789 to me. It made it more appealing to me. Because 01:14:16.789 --> 01:14:18.869 as we talked about, as we left the theater, you 01:14:18.869 --> 01:14:22.909 thought that it simultaneously took everything 01:14:22.909 --> 01:14:26.510 that you knew and loved from the adaptation and 01:14:26.510 --> 01:14:31.649 also found or explained a little bit more depth 01:14:31.649 --> 01:14:35.899 to it. it deepened what was already there added 01:14:35.899 --> 01:14:38.279 to the characters it deepened it it made it more 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:43.579 especially like you could say that that if i 01:14:43.579 --> 01:14:46.079 think the thing is is that you've taken the characters 01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.500 and they've not been modernized but they've been 01:14:49.500 --> 01:14:52.039 deepened with they've been humanized instead 01:14:52.039 --> 01:14:54.220 they've been brought down from legend and turned 01:14:54.220 --> 01:14:58.899 into a human story that still has gods in it 01:14:58.899 --> 01:15:02.869 they added Yes, some of the things that were 01:15:02.869 --> 01:15:05.590 added might feel more modern, might feel out 01:15:05.590 --> 01:15:09.109 of place. If you told this story to a Greek at 01:15:09.109 --> 01:15:11.729 the time Homer's writing his thing, they wouldn't 01:15:11.729 --> 01:15:13.750 get it, probably. They wouldn't really understand 01:15:13.750 --> 01:15:19.210 some of the modern stuff. But they haven't taken 01:15:19.210 --> 01:15:21.609 anything away. All they've done is add more depth 01:15:21.609 --> 01:15:24.189 that we understand. Culturally, we understand. 01:15:24.750

--> 01:15:30.380 And if you think about it... The story of the 01:15:30.380 --> 01:15:34.520 Odyssey does not include the Trojan horse. That's 01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:36.659 not part of it. The sacking of Troy is not part 01:15:36.659 --> 01:15:41.939 of it. Agamemnon's death is not part of it. I'm 01:15:41.939 --> 01:15:43.579 sure there's a couple other things I'm forgetting 01:15:43.579 --> 01:15:46.020 that's not actually part of the Odyssey because 01:15:46.020 --> 01:15:49.800 culturally at the time, it's the same as in the 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:52.699 movie. They've all heard the story of the Trojan 01:15:52.699 --> 01:15:55.039 horse. Everyone knew the story of the Trojan 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:56.739 horse. When you have the Iliad and the Odyssey. 01:15:57.020 --> 01:15:59.199 It's like, okay, let's use a modern example. 01:15:59.539 --> 01:16:01.680 It's like doing a new Spider -Man movie and putting 01:16:01.680 --> 01:16:03.880 the death of Uncle Ben in there again. It's like, 01:16:03.939 --> 01:16:06.220 we all know this part. It doesn't need to be 01:16:06.220 --> 01:16:08.340 shown again. It's just funny that it's like, 01:16:08.420 --> 01:16:10.779 okay, Homer wrote down the Iliad and the Odyssey. 01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.520 Okay. If you read them back to back, there's 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:18.060 a giant gap in the middle where that is the Trojan 01:16:18.060 --> 01:16:20.020 horse and the sacking of Troy and the death of 01:16:20.020 --> 01:16:24.000 Achilles. None of that. None of that is in the 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:26.760 Iliad or the Odyssey. There's just this gap in 01:16:26.760 --> 01:16:31.199 between because those stories were so well known 01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:34.979 that culturally they didn't need it. So in our 01:16:34.979 --> 01:16:37.739 version, culturally we needed it. We needed to 01:16:37.739 --> 01:16:41.199 see it. But culturally, we've also added more 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:43.939 depth to the characters that we understand, that 01:16:43.939 --> 01:16:46.680 ancient Greeks wouldn't understand. They wouldn't 01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:50.199 understand the same concepts because... We're 01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:52.979 different. That's just how it is. But they've 01:16:52.979 --> 01:16:56.020 added more depth that some people would probably 01:16:56.020 --> 01:17:01.640 say is too modern or something. But I think it's 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:05.659 authentic in the... I disagree. I feel like they 01:17:05.659 --> 01:17:08.340 would understand it. Not necessarily as it's 01:17:08.340 --> 01:17:12.380 presented, but I feel like... It's like I was 01:17:12.380 --> 01:17:14.340 saying, they took these characters that were 01:17:14.340 --> 01:17:19.659 legendary and managed to make them feel... simultaneously 01:17:19.659 --> 01:17:24.100 legendary but also grounded in human in a way 01:17:24.100 --> 01:17:26.819 that I don't think human emotions have really 01:17:26.819 --> 01:17:29.159 changed much in the last thousands of years are 01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.439 like our ideologies have but humans are humans 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:37.340 and I think this Odysseus is still we understand 01:17:37.340 --> 01:17:40.359 something about Odysseus today and a father trying 01:17:40.359 --> 01:17:44.100 to get back home to his kids after a long time 01:17:44.100 --> 01:17:47.180 away was obviously something they cared about 01:17:47.180 --> 01:17:50.270 2 ,000 years ago. I just think things like the 01:17:50.270 --> 01:17:54.489 PTSD or the survivor's guilt or some of the feminism 01:17:54.489 --> 01:17:59.470 aspects, that stuff wouldn't fly back then. Like, 01:17:59.470 --> 01:18:01.810 that would not be... I think they would have 01:18:01.810 --> 01:18:04.489 understood it, but wouldn't have had necessarily 01:18:04.489 --> 01:18:07.329 the language to communicate the feelings about 01:18:07.329 --> 01:18:10.149 it. Yeah. It's like, this is something we as 01:18:10.149 --> 01:18:12.569 a culture ideologically understand, and I think 01:18:12.569 --> 01:18:15.630 they felt it. They just didn't have the philosophies, 01:18:15.630 --> 01:18:20.979 ironic in ancient Greece. You know what I'm getting 01:18:20.979 --> 01:18:24.600 at? I just think that that part of the, like... 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:28.300 Like on a gut level? The horror of the war, the 01:18:28.300 --> 01:18:31.020 fact like Odysseus is like, I don't think that 01:18:31.020 --> 01:18:33.539 would click. I don't think it would work to be 01:18:33.539 --> 01:18:37.659 like, why would Odysseus feel bad that they won 01:18:37.659 --> 01:18:40.220 the war? That doesn't make sense. Yes. Right? 01:18:40.300 --> 01:18:43.699 I feel like something like that probably wouldn't 01:18:43.699 --> 01:18:47.460 quite click in the story. And yeah, maybe that 01:18:47.460 --> 01:18:51.939 is too modern. But at the same time, that's the 01:18:51.939 --> 01:18:54.899 point of an oral... It's an oral tradition. Things 01:18:54.899 --> 01:18:57.520 are changing. This is... He took the structure 01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:01.279 and made it resonate for a culture of today. 01:19:01.460 --> 01:19:03.600 Without taking anything away. All he did was 01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:06.539 add. All he did was add depth to it. Yes. Right? 01:19:06.619 --> 01:19:09.920 So nothing's missing. Like, yeah, okay. There's 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.020 a couple scenes that are cropped out. And nothing's 01:19:12.020 --> 01:19:14.119 contradicting the story that was there before. 01:19:14.420 --> 01:19:18.619 No, it's all there. If you take the script and 01:19:18.619 --> 01:19:22.720 you erase some lines, it fits exactly with the 01:19:22.720 --> 01:19:25.899 lineup. Here's some more details. Even if you 01:19:25.899 --> 01:19:27.819 don't need it spelled out, just putting it in 01:19:27.819 --> 01:19:30.140 a visual medium and seeing Matt Damon's face 01:19:30.140 --> 01:19:33.859 horrified at the war around him is more representative

01:19:33.859 --> 01:19:38.640 than the written poem could probably do. I mean, 01:19:38.659 --> 01:19:41.020 yeah, you can say Odysseus was horrified, but... 01:19:41.840 --> 01:19:44.260 You know, just making it a visual medium, a picture 01:19:44.260 --> 01:19:47.460 says a thousand words and it has more depth without 01:19:47.460 --> 01:19:53.079 even trying just by that virtue. It's hard not 01:19:53.079 --> 01:19:56.680 to when you're watching people perform subtext 01:19:56.680 --> 01:20:00.539 or a film or a camera or music. There's so many 01:20:00.539 --> 01:20:04.420 things adding subtext without, you know, the 01:20:04.420 --> 01:20:06.739 story is the story and that's not changing, but 01:20:06.739 --> 01:20:11.279 there's, there's more without even like. You're 01:20:11.279 --> 01:20:13.340 doing the bare minimum of a film and adding. 01:20:14.699 --> 01:20:18.699 I also read that people online were like, oh, 01:20:18.899 --> 01:20:24.659 it's a hip hop soundtrack. It is there, but I 01:20:24.659 --> 01:20:27.319 didn't notice it. I didn't even notice it. I 01:20:27.319 --> 01:20:29.079 didn't even feel it. I didn't know anything about 01:20:29.079 --> 01:20:32.220 that. And it definitely didn't feel out of place. 01:20:32.300 --> 01:20:34.659 But when they mentioned it, I'm like, yeah, there 01:20:34.659 --> 01:20:38.560 is some parts that are like that. But it never 01:20:38.560 --> 01:20:41.630 felt out of place. Not even once. I didn't even 01:20:41.630 --> 01:20:45.390 notice it. I didn't notice either. Though I rarely 01:20:45.390 --> 01:20:49.890 notice. I mean, I noticed it when the credits 01:20:49.890 --> 01:20:51.609 were rolling. I'm like, the credits are rolling. 01:20:51.710 --> 01:20:57.289 I'm like. I experienced music on a first watch, 01:20:57.510 --> 01:21:02.569 but I don't analyze it that well on a first watch. 01:21:03.659 --> 01:21:06.159 i need i think there was there was enough sound 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:08.279 design that i was already lost in the sound design 01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:11.260 like yeah it i just know it worked very well 01:21:11.260 --> 01:21:14.340 for me the first time i saw it yeah it immersed 01:21:14.340 --> 01:21:17.300 me it didn't break it didn't break my immersion 01:21:17.300 --> 01:21:20.300 for whoa what's hip -hop doing in ancient greece 01:21:20.300 --> 01:21:25.979 they were like yeah there's like nolan said that 01:21:25.979 --> 01:21:27.960 there wasn't going to be a classical score and 01:21:27.960 --> 01:21:30.560 there people were like all upset about that it's 01:21:30.560 --> 01:21:33.460 like well whoa let them Let him work here. Let 01:21:33.460 --> 01:21:36.340 him, let him do his thing. I didn't know anything 01:21:36.340 --> 01:21:39.840 about that. And it went right over my head. I 01:21:39.840 --> 01:21:42.300 didn't, I didn't notice anything off there. So 01:21:42.300 --> 01:21:45.600 I've seen movies before where the soundtrack 01:21:45.600 --> 01:21:49.199 is a little jarring. It doesn't match what I 01:21:49.199 --> 01:21:52.840 would feel, but this movie did not do that. So. 01:21:55.220 --> 01:21:58.079 All right. So you got your verdict. You got a 01:21:58.079 --> 01:22:01.220 watch a zap in the mega thumb, the mega thumb. 01:22:03.149 --> 01:22:07.670 I can't be taken seriously anymore. Oh no, my 01:22:07.670 --> 01:22:11.670 rating system's garbage. Mid -tier garbage. Out 01:22:11.670 --> 01:22:15.250 of all rating systems, my rating system is mid 01:22:15.250 --> 01:22:21.869 -tier garbage. Okay. Oh man. So where can we 01:22:21.869 --> 01:22:25.390 find you? You can find me on Instagram at jchurchtpm. 01:22:25.710 --> 01:22:29.189 And you can find me on Instagram at thoughtplane 01:22:29.189 --> 01:22:33.210 .ca. Sorry, my Instagram is ThoughtPlaneMedia. 01:22:33.909 --> 01:22:37.170 Find me on everything at ThoughtPlaneMedia. And 01:22:37.170 --> 01:22:41.050 that's it for this close -up. Thank you very 01:22:41.050 --> 01:22:45.409 much. And I can't remember my sign -off. It's 01:22:45.409 --> 01:22:48.270 late. I'm tired. Fight me in the comments. Until 01:22:48.270 --> 01:22:52.229 next time. That's what I'm supposed to say. Take 01:22:52.229 --> 01:22:52.550 care.