النص الكامل لحلقة Ep. 337 - Class "A" Vs. Class "B" Sightings!

00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.879 of the like the language, you know that the it's 78 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.479 what we all use to throw around. And of course 79 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:42.080 Matt Moneymaker for the BFROO, he made these terms up 80 00:03:42.639 --> 00:03:45.360 to kind of classify as his the sightings and reports 81 00:03:45.400 --> 00:03:49.639 that were coming in and generally speaking, uh, it has 82 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.159 class A and class B that the real difference there, 83 00:03:52.319 --> 00:03:55.800 to put it very simply is how how much of 84 00:03:55.800 --> 00:03:59.560 a possibility of misinterpretation is there. I'm going to read 85 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.120 directly from the BFURO website right now. Class A Class 86 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:07.919 A reports involve clear sightings and circumstances where misinterpretation or 87 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:12.919 misidentification of other animals can be ruled out with greater confidence. 88 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.000 For example, there are several footprint cases that are well documented. 89 00:04:17.040 --> 00:04:20.199 These are considered way footprint cases that are very well documented. 90 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:23.560 These are considered class A reports because misidentification of common 91 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.319 animals can be confidently ruled out. Thus, the potential for 92 00:04:28.439 --> 00:04:32.879 misinterpretation is very low. Class B incidents where a possible 93 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.519 sasquatch was observed at a great distance or in poor 94 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:39.639 lighting conditions, or incidents in any other circumstance that did 95 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.680 not afford a clear view of the subject are considered 96 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:47.519 Class B. So basically, the difference between classifications relates directly 97 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.480 to the potential for misinterpretation. 98 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:52.720 I did not know that. 99 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.120 Oh yeah, yeah, A lot of people don't know that, 100 00:04:55.399 --> 00:04:58.240 and you're obviously clearly a veteran bigfoot researcher. 101 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.879 I think I'm almost positive those are updated. Those are updated. 102 00:05:02.240 --> 00:05:06.279 He updated the criteria definitions. 103 00:05:05.759 --> 00:05:08.079 He might have, because my understanding until I just read 104 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:11.240 that a minute ago, is that all footprints are Class B. 105 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:13.959 But you know, like I guess the grays Harbor one, 106 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:15.879 you know, I guess that could be because that was 107 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:18.759 so well documented by Dennis Herford and those guys. Maybe 108 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:20.480 that would be a Class A. But still it could 109 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:22.600 be a hoaxer, you know, I mean, I mean, I 110 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.360 don't think it

is, but it, you know, potentially could be. 111 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.240 So maybe maybe the footprints do all belong in a 112 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.399 Class B. I don't know what do you guys think. 113 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:36.000 Dude, I'm telling that he updated those the terminology definitions. 114 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:38.519 I like this doing better. I like this doing better 115 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.199 because I've had audio where there's no way it could 116 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:43.360 like like I said that my first setting fin days 117 00:05:43.399 --> 00:05:46.399 before I had that encounter, Like I never saw anything, 118 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:49.000 but it was like way more freaked me out, was 119 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:51.879 way more compelling and like like the most like in 120 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:54.519 your face, like there's no other thing, like it can't 121 00:05:54.600 --> 00:05:56.000 be like you're chick in the eye. Or I think 122 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.319 it was just too intense. Yeah, you know. 123 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.959 Matt goes on here and it says credible reports where 124 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:08.279 nothing was seen but distinct and characteristic sounds of sasquatches 125 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:12.759 were heard are always considered Class B reports and never 126 00:06:12.920 --> 00:06:16.399 Class A, even in the most compelling sound only cases. 127 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.839 This is because the lack of visual element raises a 128 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:25.639 much greater potential for a misidentification of the sounds. But this, 129 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:28.319 I love this next paragraph here that he writes class 130 00:06:28.319 --> 00:06:32.000 B reports are not considered less credible or less important 131 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.759 than Class A reports. Both types are deemed credible enough 132 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.920 by the bfro O to show in public. So that's 133 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.279 really important here. But yeah, so I received a class 134 00:06:42.399 --> 00:06:46.439 b observation of a sasquatch on Saturday, because, like I mentioned, 135 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:50.279 I'm covering hours on Saturday pretty much every Saturday. Anybody 136 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:51.879 wants to come in and say hi, I will be 137 00:06:51.920 --> 00:06:54.800 at the NABC And this will be throughout pretty much 138 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.439 the entire winter until things start picking up again. We 139 00:06:57.519 --> 00:07:00.639 kind of shift the winter hours as many many tourism 140 00:07:00.759 --> 00:07:05.240 based into industries do, you know, or establishments do. But anyway, 141 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:08.199 this guy comes in and I kind of know the guy. 142 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:10.480 I mean I didn't. I didn't not well enough to 143 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:12.600 recognize him. But when he told me so, oh, I 144 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:15.720 emailed you about those prints, and blah blah blah. Oh yeah, yeah. 145 00:07:15.920 --> 00:07:19.720 He's actually emailed me several times before with really nice 146 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:22.000 looking footprints that he is found in various places in 147 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:26.160 Mountain Hood National Forest. He's a hunter, he's a mushroom forager, 148 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:29.839 he's just an outdoors guy in general. I trust what 149 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:32.879 he says, because on at least two or maybe three 150 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.160 occasions so far, he has sent me some really good, 151 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:39.800 good looking footprints in the ground that I wasn't able 152 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:43.079 to get out to unfortunately, because one of them was 153 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:45.319 in one of my look one of the locations I 154 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.639 like to frequent up there kind of by Timothy Lake, 155 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:50.600 on the north side of Timothy Lake there, and then 156 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.160 the others. The other that that happened a couple of 157 00:07:53.199 --> 00:07:56.279 years before he told me about it. And then last November, 158 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.480 I think it was the last November, he sent me 159 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:02.079 a footprint photograph for south of Timothy Lake that looks 160 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:07.040 really good. And of course that night it snowed pretty heavily, 161 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:08.759 so I couldn't get out there. They couldn't get to 162 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:11.399 the location. But anyway, I trust this guy because he's 163 00:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.199 proven himself to be a reliable observer. He's got a 164 00:08:15.199 --> 00:08:17.360 good eye for footprints, clearly, because if I can see 165 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:19.279 them in a picture, they've got to be really good 166 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.639 in the ground because pictures never never really turn out 167 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.560 the way that you're looking at something in the ground, does, 168 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.120 you know, It's just entirely different. But anyway, he was 169 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.600 out on so I took the report on Saturday, but 170 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:35.240 he was out on Friday foraging for mushrooms, because mushrooms 171 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.120 are just popping everywhere right now. It's an amazing season 172 00:08:38.120 --> 00:08:41.360 for mushrooms right now, and depending on what altitude you're 173 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:43.360 going to, I've been seeing them all over too, Chantrell's 174 00:08:43.360 --> 00:08:46.639 and lobster, mushrooms and blats and the whole nine. They're 175 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:50.120 all kicking right now pretty hard. So he was out 176 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.600 the day before at a location that's not too far 177 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.840 from one of my spots. It's close enough. It's probably 178

00:08:55.840 --> 00:09:00.919 about through two or three miles as the crowfly from 179 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:02.679 one of my really good spots that I'd like to 180 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:02.879 go to. 181 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.399 Hold on, I'm Monny Thinker's calling in right now to 182 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:10.960 clarify what Hey, Matt, Yeah, we're recording. Can I put 183 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:11.879 you on the air real quick? 184 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:12.840 Yeah? 185 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.879 Okay, we did you change the definitions for the BFR 186 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:20.000 classification like A, B and C. It used to be 187 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:23.720 all settings had to be I mean could like the 188 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.639 whole tracks trash could be A, and settings could be B. 189 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:29.360 That whole deal a long time ago. 190 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.039 We were fight tuning it. But the classifications have been 191 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:38.279 for a long time. That class A were visual signings 192 00:09:38.600 --> 00:09:41.679 where it was a visual that was clear enough so 193 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:44.080 that it either had to be a bigfoot or somebody 194 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:47.559 in a bigfoot costume. And then there could be kind 195 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:50.279 of week signings like out of the corner of your 196 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.879 eye for a split second, you're not sure Those would 197 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.720 be class B siding. So Class A had to mean 198 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:00.519 something where they really they're either lying or they saw 199 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:04.080 a bigfoot or somebody a big foot costume. And then 200 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:08.799 Class C is like secondhand reports, so it's not directly 201 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.399 for so if you talk to a class C person, 202 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:14.159 you might actually get to the actual witness if you 203 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:17.360 were to pursue that. But we don't like posting like 204 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:21.039 secondhand stories because they're the two reliable we wanted in 205 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.600 the in the in the words of a of a witness. 206 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:29.159 Class B is also sounds and track finds, and I 207 00:10:29.279 --> 00:10:34.399 think there's been occasions where I think there's only been 208 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:38.399 a couple of what we had called Class A track finds. 209 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:42.639 Whether it was the tracks were so clear and so 210 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.840 under you know, photographed, well I just couldn't be anything else, uh, 211 00:10:48.919 --> 00:10:51.360 and that we called that, But that I can't even 212 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:53.559 remember the last time we had a track find as 213 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:58.480 a Class A because it's just it's usually not that 214 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:01.879 that convincing where you

could show photos and say like 215 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:06.679 like really good tracks in deep snow or deep tracks 216 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.679 I shouldn't say not necessarily deep snow, but deep tracks 217 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.480 in snow, showing that it was heavy in a big 218 00:11:11.519 --> 00:11:14.039 long stride and it would have been like basically impossible 219 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:14.639 to fake. 220 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:18.240 It, Okay, because we didn't know that there was Class 221 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:20.600 A footprint fives I guess Hereford that would be one, 222 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.879 or like the PG films, there's footage of them and 223 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.480 there's casts, right right. 224 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:29.159 So something that kind of there's some elements to that 225 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:33.159 corroborates the tracks so much that you had to put 226 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:35.879 it in the category of certitude of a visual siding. 227 00:11:36.399 --> 00:11:38.720 Okay, Yeah, we were all wrong. We were all like, 228 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:41.240 we just saw someone on Class A track. We were like, no, 229 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.720 there's no cross, Like we thought you had redone the 230 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:45.840 definitions or something. 231 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.720 Well, we tweaked it in a couple of cases, because 232 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.440 it's all the classification system is really just about reliability 233 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:57.879 in that like, so the further you get away from 234 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:02.480 a the more you're talking in the potential for misinterpretation. 235 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:05.679 So I've a lot of times put like if there's 236 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:07.639 a whole lot of sounds and rock throwing and stuff, 237 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.159 I would call it a B plus, you know. So 238 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:16.120 it's that sliding scale is all about reliability, and some 239 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.879 track finds are can be as just as reliable as 240 00:12:18.879 --> 00:12:21.399 a visual and but again I can't you remember the 241 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:24.759 last time we did that. There's very few cases. I 242 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:27.440 think I've only done it for two cases where it 243 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:29.320 was where I called it. And it wouldn't even be 244 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.080 the Patterson because we don't have the written submission from 245 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.759 you know, from Bob Gimbling. Yeah, it's not even in 246 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:38.960 the database the Patterson incident. 247 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:43.200 Uh So the most famous setting out of VFL, I mean, 248 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.840 the most the most famous setting ever doesn't qualify from 249 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:49.600 VFR because there's no first time account from Bob exactly. 250 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:52.399 He hasn't somebody, he hasn't put anything writing and rimats 251 00:12:52.440 --> 00:12:55.039 he could, but if. 252 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:56.519 He wants to be taken seriously, he better. 253 00:12:59.720 --> 00:13:03.759 Yeah, there was there was no way to submit something 254 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.559 like that back when when it happened, and I wouldn't 255 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:09.519 expend it. But I think people are aware of that 256 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:11.600 if it isn't on our web. 257 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:16.440 Yeah, any questions from matater Cliff now, just thank him 258 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:19.720 for coming on. Okay, Yeah, thanks Matt. We appreciate that. 259 00:13:19.720 --> 00:13:21.679 We were just having a debate about it and we 260 00:13:21.720 --> 00:13:24.080 said let's see if that's are available and clear this up. 261 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:29.399 Okay, all right, anytime you guys needed a street you. 262 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.200 On, all right, we need plenty of straighten out, So 263 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:33.080 let me call on you soon. 264 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:40.440 Okay, bye, Yes, there you go, straight from the man's mouth. 265 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:43.279 Classic. That was so awesome. 266 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:49.759 It's a he's a pleasure to have him drop by. Yeah, well, 267 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:52.679 I would think that for our listeners at least. I mean, 268 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.960 I know for me personally, but I'm not really the 269 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:57.120 guy to take the temperature of the audience in any 270 00:13:57.120 --> 00:13:59.720 sort of way. But I think for our listeners it's 271 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:01.320 got to be kind of fun to have people pop 272 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:03.320 on every once in a while that are unexpected, you know, 273 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.399 whether it's money Maker or maybe Melissa or somebody like that. 274 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:08.559 You know, just somebody who happens to be in the neighborhood. 275 00:14:08.600 --> 00:14:13.759 We just grab some Yeah, stay tuned for more Bigfoot 276 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.399 and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right back 277 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:25.159 after these messages. 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And there was a guy who came in 317 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:21.720 that you know fairly, Well, yeah. 318 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.279 That's right, that's right. So this guy comes in and 319 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:27.480 he sent me footprint photographs before that I think are legitimate. 320 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:29.000 And he's out in the woods a lot. So I 321 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:32.720 put weight in what this guy's saying for sure. And 322 00:16:32.799 --> 00:16:34.200 so I was talking to him and he said that 323 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:38.919 just the day before, on Friday, October tenth, he was 324 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.279 out in the woods in an area about two miles 325 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.120 from one of my locations, three miles from one of 326 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:46.840 my locations out there, way out there, this is way 327 00:16:46.919 --> 00:16:48.720 up on top. I'm trying to hit the higher elevations 328 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:51.120 right now before they get shut down by snow, because 329 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.360 I bet you we probably have about two or three 330 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.399 weeks left of getting those higher elevation spots before. I 331 00:16:56.399 --> 00:16:58.360 won't see him again until the snow melts in June 332 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.960 or July. But anyway, he was out foraging for mushrooms 333 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:04.359 at a location out there that I'm very familiar with. 334 00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:07.359 I've been to the spot several times, even though it's 335 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:12.160 not exactly at my precise location. And he was poking 336 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.240 around a few hundred yards from his car, which he 337 00:17:14.319 --> 00:17:18.240 left on the road, and he saw a big chantrell 338 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:22.240 big delicious orange yellowy mushroom that grows here in the fall. 339 00:17:22.240 --> 00:17:25.240 He saw a big chantraill that was gorgeous in a 340 00:17:25.240 --> 00:17:27.079 bush or a brush of something like that, you know, 341 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:29.519 So he kind of squatted over. It wasn't on all fours, 342 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.720 but he kind of like hunched down low and started 343 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.960 pushing into the middle of the bush in order to 344 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:38.200 get the chantrelle. And as he did so, a short 345 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:41.039 distance away I can't remember if he said thirty yards, 346 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.599 maybe thirty forty yards somewhere, that's the feel I got. 347 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:47.400 At least just a short distance away, he hears a 348 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:51.880 sound that he interpreted as something standing up from either 349 00:17:51.920 --> 00:17:55.640 a sitting or lying or squatting position, you know. And 350 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:57.960 of course that's his interpretation, not quite sure if that, 351 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:01.000 but he said it sounded like some thing stood up 352 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.680 in the brush. Ben it sounded kind of big, you know. 353 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.000 So he stopped for a minute and then and he 354 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:10.119 looked over there. Then I guess he said he could 355 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.240 hear the thing moving, although it was very very quiet, 356 00:18:13.599 --> 00:18:16.119 but he said he could hear the thing moving kind 357 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:19.240 of like circling around him and kind

of probably just 358 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:22.640 positioning himself to move away, you know. And he's at 359 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.079 this point he's thinking bear. He's like, oh, well, shoot, 360 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:27.799 I just served this big bear or whatever. And then 361 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.519 I guess the thing grabs some tree and just shook 362 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:34.759 the crap out of a tree, just just like violently 363 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.440 shook this thing, and and then that was this guy's 364 00:18:38.519 --> 00:18:41.200 cue to go. He basically said that. He's like, well, 365 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:44.000 it was pretty clear that I was wanted there, and 366 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:46.480 I took that. I took that invitation to leave and 367 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:48.960 did so. But in the meantime, as the thing was 368 00:18:49.039 --> 00:18:53.880 moving through the brush, he kept getting glimpses of black fur. 369 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.200 At some point and I asked him and say, well, 370 00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:58.720 I mean, could that have been a bear, because you know, 371 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.200 bear's poke at trees and rub their back on them, 372 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:03.279 and you know, just do that kind of thing sometimes, 373 00:19:03.319 --> 00:19:05.359 you know, it's not out of the question that it 374 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.559 could be a bear. And he goes, now, I don't 375 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:09.119 think so, man. It was just too big. I mean, 376 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.200 the thing was as big as Murphy was. And Murphy 377 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.839 is our bigfoot statue in the back of the NABC there, 378 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:16.880 and Murphy stands seven and a half feet tall. So 379 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:19.680 he said that I saw a fur that was at 380 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:23.079 least as high as your head and probably higher. That's 381 00:19:23.119 --> 00:19:25.440 the level of the fur that I saw above the ground. 382 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:29.640 So he probably saw a sasquatch, is what I'm thinking. Yeah, 383 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:31.880 I mean, I mean it sounds everything you need is 384 00:19:31.880 --> 00:19:36.200 there right, quietly moving through the woods, tree shaken, tall, 385 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:41.200 black fur covered figure in the woods. And the area 386 00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.519 is really good. The area is really there's never been 387 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.960 sighting reports out of this specific area, but there's been 388 00:19:46.000 --> 00:19:48.319 stuff not that far away, you know, within five miles, 389 00:19:48.359 --> 00:19:51.079 as I said, And so yeah, I didn't have any 390 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.240 reason to doubt the guy at all, especially since I've 391 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.319 already kind of been interacting with him over the last 392 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:58.839 couple of years, and I've already deemed him

as a 393 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:03.240 competent observer, so I got the directions best I could. 394 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.039 I tried to get the GPS coordinates, but he had 395 00:20:05.039 --> 00:20:07.720 his location services turned off on the phone when he 396 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:10.960 took the photographs that he shared with me, so I 397 00:20:11.039 --> 00:20:13.240 wasn't able to get the exact location. But I mean 398 00:20:13.279 --> 00:20:15.000 he gave pretty good directions. He said, go to the 399 00:20:15.119 --> 00:20:17.519 end of the road. There's a there's you know, pull 400 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.000 off on the side of the road right before the end, 401 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.440 there's an obvious parking spot, which there was. Head down 402 00:20:23.079 --> 00:20:27.160 downhill towards the creek. I'm about one hundred yards or so, 403 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.200 and he says, you should see a big root ward 404 00:20:31.119 --> 00:20:33.359 turned over with a bunch of big mushrooms. And I'll 405 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:36.000 tell you that, I'm pretty sure those are king bullets 406 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:38.839 or bellets. I guess that's how you pronounce it. These 407 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.200 giant mushrooms that grew up here, and they're really big. 408 00:20:41.200 --> 00:20:43.240 They've got away like the big ones, probably five to 409 00:20:43.240 --> 00:20:45.319 eight pounds because they're all just chalk full of water 410 00:20:45.720 --> 00:20:48.160 and stuff. They're really large mushrooms. You can look them up. 411 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.079 They were everywhere. I never found, in my opinion, I'm 412 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:56.400 not sure I found the specific root ward he was 413 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:58.240 talking about because he said there's a root wod with 414 00:20:58.319 --> 00:21:00.880 large mushrooms on it. But there were so many blown 415 00:21:00.880 --> 00:21:04.079 over trees in this area that you know it had 416 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:05.960 to be in there somewhere, because about one hundred or 417 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.519 hundred and fifty yards down from the road there were 418 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:12.519 all these blown down trees, and those big mushrooms were 419 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:14.759 pretty common in the area, so it could have been 420 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:16.599 any one of those things. He says, at that point, 421 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:18.920 you head off on the thirty forty yards at a 422 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:20.920 forty five degree angle to the left, and that's where 423 00:21:20.920 --> 00:21:23.559 he was standing, and he did say that if you 424 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.359 go a little further to the left, you'll run into 425 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:28.640 an elk wallow, which I did. In fact, I ran 426 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.799 into several elk wallows out there. There's a little a 427 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:32.599 seat that comes out of the ground in that area, 428 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.079 and right past that is a big swamp which I 429 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.200 also ran into. So I know I'm in the approximate area. 430 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.160 And Keith and I did a lot of walking around. 431 00:21:41.240 --> 00:21:43.839 We actually filmed some stuff. It's not really enough to 432 00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.720 make a video for the members for the NABC or 433 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:48.720 anything like that, but we did document it on video 434 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:52.759 as best as we can. We found a couple like 435 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:56.240 maybe footprints, but the tracking was in you know, we 436 00:21:56.279 --> 00:21:58.920 found elk, we found deer, there was there was bear 437 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.279 sign mostly in the law of very very large turds. 438 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:08.319 But found a couple maybe tracks that like maybe, but 439 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.759 like really not even enough to make me think probably 440 00:22:11.319 --> 00:22:13.640 just like, well, maybe that could be one. You know, 441 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:15.000 there's two or three of them in a row here. 442 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:17.680 Maybe that is one, don't know. And we just kind 443 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:19.720 of gave it about an hour and a half two 444 00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:21.839 hours of walking around in the brush and it was 445 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:24.640 raining and it was cold. It was like thirty eight 446 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:28.680 degrees and it was raining pretty hard, and yeah, and 447 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.759 then of course I'm walking through like, you know, six 448 00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.480 foot tall BlackBerry brush or not BlackBerry blueberries. Thank god, 449 00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:37.920 I want to walk through blackberries stuff with blueberries. So 450 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:42.000 I'm just drenched, just completely drenched and trying to get 451 00:22:42.039 --> 00:22:43.960 over my illness and all this other stuff. And I 452 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.519 keep doing this to myself. But we didn't find anything 453 00:22:47.599 --> 00:22:50.920 that we could really hang our hats on. But what 454 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.240 I think is interesting is that on the drive out, 455 00:22:53.440 --> 00:22:55.759 you know, I've been talking about these tree breaks that 456 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:59.000 we've been finding in a couple of my areas with 457 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.079 these odd branches bent back upon themselves that I've nicknamed 458 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:05.480 do dads and whatever else. And so I'm trying to 459 00:23:05.480 --> 00:23:09.079 pay attention to other locations that have tree breaks. 460 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:09.599 Well. 461 00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.240 On the way out there, there were plenty of broken trees, 462 00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:13.680 you know, here and there. But this is a high 463 00:23:13.720

--> 00:23:16.640 elevation area, and I would expect snow and weather and 464 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:20.759 stuff to do damage up there. But I would stop 465 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:22.680 and look at all the trees that I would see 466 00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.480 on the side of the road that might be broken 467 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:26.640 in case there was a dudad on there or some 468 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:28.759 other sign that a sasquatch may or may not be 469 00:23:28.799 --> 00:23:31.799 responsible hair or something, you know. But one of the 470 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:36.359 trees that caught my eye, I think it was a cottonwood. 471 00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:38.839 I'm not really good with my trees, but I'm pretty 472 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:42.839 sure it was a cottonwood. It was still green, you know, 473 00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.480 which isn't that telling, but it was fairly fresh, I guess, 474 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.319 you know, like last couple of months it was broken. 475 00:23:48.839 --> 00:23:51.440 There was this tree that was broken about seven or 476 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:53.839 eight feet off the ground. I said, we'll stop and 477 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:57.680 look at that one, because it was broken in the 478 00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.880 midst of a bunch of other trees that were not broken, 479 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.680 and in an odd direction that caught my eye. So 480 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.319 when we got out and looked there, there seemed to 481 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:09.160 be a footprint at the base of it, a big 482 00:24:09.799 --> 00:24:13.880 flattened area where something had pushed something. The ground had 483 00:24:13.880 --> 00:24:15.920 been pushed down. Basically all the all the needles and 484 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:19.279 stuff were pushed into the dirt at that point, and 485 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:24.440 it had what I interpret as a toe, one toe 486 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:28.400 impressed into the ground. I think it was fairly old though, 487 00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.519 because the toe that was impressed, if I'm right and 488 00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.640 it was a toe, it was kind of sheltered because 489 00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.920 it was pushed forward into the hill, so it had 490 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:40.319 like a cave like structure, so which is why it 491 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:42.039 didn't get washed out like the other ones may have 492 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:43.880 been washed out because I think it was at least 493 00:24:43.880 --> 00:24:45.519 a few weeks old, at least a few weeks old, 494 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:49.839 maybe older, but anyway, that was of interest. So that 495 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.839 all happened on Saturday, this past Saturday, So it was 496 00:24:53.960 --> 00:24:57.160 encouraging that we got another fresh report because there hasn't 497 00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:59.000 been a There have not been a lot of fresh 498 00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:03.119 reports in the last few months. In particular, We're expecting 499 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.079 a few more over the over the summertime because we 500 00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:07.240 usually had some pretty good ones coming in, but it's 501 00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:08.039 been kind of slow. 502 00:25:08.200 --> 00:25:11.160 So do you think people are more reticent to tell 503 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.559 other employees versus you, like when you're there a lot 504 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:16.480 and people are like, oh hey, it's Cliff, Hey, let 505 00:25:16.480 --> 00:25:18.400 me tell you what happened to me, versus. 506 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:19.039 Like you'd mentioned. 507 00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:21.160 There was one the other day, was it Dave? Where 508 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.599 a guy come in and he asked Dave, like you 509 00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:25.319 ever seen one of these things? And Dave was like, no, 510 00:25:25.480 --> 00:25:28.160 have you? And the guy was like, actually yes, and 511 00:25:28.440 --> 00:25:30.599 it was like he might have come and gone without 512 00:25:30.599 --> 00:25:32.960 ever telling that story. So do you think that's part 513 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:35.880 of it, Like when you're there less, maybe less stories 514 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:36.920 get recorded. 515 00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:42.279 I'm confident that's true, Yeah, because sometimes I'll come in 516 00:25:42.319 --> 00:25:44.160 the shop and somebody will have been shopping or I've 517 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.119 already been in the back and they're getting ready to leave, 518 00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:48.559 and then they see me and we talked for a minute, 519 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.359 then they tell me their story. Yeah, So I'm confident 520 00:25:51.400 --> 00:25:53.759 that happens. How much that happens, I don't know, but 521 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.240 I know it does happen that, you know, when they 522 00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.319 probably come in they don't realize that, you know, I hire, 523 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:02.240 you know, pretty good people who are rather knowledgeable about 524 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:06.359 Bigfoot and to various extents, you know, but they're probably 525 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:08.440 looking for me to tell because they kind of know me, 526 00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:09.880 which is an odd thing. 527 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:10.079 You know. 528 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:12.680 Another customer had the insight to point out to me 529 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.920 the other day that it's like, it must be very 530 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.200 odd for people to come in the shop and know 531 00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.359 so much about me, you know, and I'm used to it, 532 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:23.160 so I don't even think about it anymore. But it's 533 00:26:23.359 --> 00:26:25.759 like somebody says, yeah, like like I'll come in here 534 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:27.559 today and I know that. You know, Melissa was in 535 00:26:27.599

--> 00:26:30.240 Pittsburgh and a couple of weeks ago or whatever in August, 536 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.640 and he started telling me all these things about my life, 537 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.119 and I said, yeah, it is weird that you know 538 00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:36.799 all these things. But again, I talk about it on 539 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.640 the podcast, So of course people know things about my life, 540 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.319 because if I can't talk about my life on the podcast, 541 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:43.519 I've had nothing else to share. 542 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:46.559 Yeah, that's a I think a big part of podcast 543 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:51.079 is they do create sort of like parasocial relationships. You know, 544 00:26:51.359 --> 00:26:54.400 like there's people I've been listening to for years and 545 00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.920 so it's like, yeah, I feel like I kind of 546 00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:59.319 know that person because you've heard them over so many 547 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.240 hours and different iterations and all that, and so yeah, 548 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:04.799 like if I had something to share with him, I 549 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:06.839 would probably do it, you know what I mean. So 550 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.839 I do think that to your point, when people come in, 551 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:11.880 if you're there, if they've had an encounter and they 552 00:27:11.920 --> 00:27:14.200 feel reticent about it, they're more likely to tell you. 553 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:15.960 And if they're at all reticent, they're not going to 554 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.680 tell a total stranger, because at least they have a 555 00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.279 parasocial relationship with you. 556 00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:21.119 Yeah. 557 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.839 Absolutely, Yeah, So it's going to be good that I'm 558 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:25.240 going to be back in the shop, but on a 559 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.720 more regular basis, so you know, if somebody's looking for me, 560 00:27:27.759 --> 00:27:30.240 they can find me. Then you know, I hope to 561 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:33.079 record some more reports from the area, you know, I mean, 562 00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:35.559 everybody knows that reports aren't exactly my thing, but I 563 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.279 sure like to know where and when they happened, because 564 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:40.920 that points me in the right direction. That's what any 565 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.559 good sighting report that the main purpose isn't just the story, 566 00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:46.680 it's actually to point you in the right direction of 567 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:49.480 where you should be looking. So and of course this 568 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:53.079 one this past weekend just kind of reaffirmed that that 569 00:27:53.240 --> 00:27:56.359 area that I've already been working for a while is 570 00:27:57.240 --> 00:27:58.480 still active and still good. 571 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.440 Do you still get a bunch of sending to you, Bobo, 572 00:28:01.599 --> 00:28:04.240 like through the uh, I think your Facebook or social 573 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:05.160 media things. 574 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:07.359 Dude, I haven't looked at those things in months. 575 00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.839 We get very few like in the podcast, but every 576 00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:12.079 once in a while, and we get a lot from 577 00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:14.519 northern California. So I always ford you like I ford 578 00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.720 you anytime someone fills out a report for him, if 579 00:28:16.759 --> 00:28:19.039 ford it to you. But it is funny to see, Yeah, 580 00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:22.359 how many come from northern California. So I always feel like, oh, yeah, 581 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:25.839 they're specifically probably trying to get in touch with Bobo. 582 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.799 You know, I'm gonna do a couple of interviews this 583 00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.920 week actually, some people just for like some bonus stuff 584 00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:32.839 for the Patreon. 585 00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.039 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. 586 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:40.000 We'll be right back after these messages. 587 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.359 Cliffs, I know you got a Jeff Papers and you 588 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:51.559 know his collection of Bigfoot stuff that you've been going 589 00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:51.960 through it. 590 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:54.680 Yeah, yeah, found some good stuff in there too. I mean, 591 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.319 obviously it's there's gonna be a tremendous amount of good 592 00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:01.519 stuff in there. But yeah, back up a little bit, 593 00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:03.160 because we haven't really talked about this on the air, 594 00:29:03.279 --> 00:29:05.720 and doctor Meltrim has been gone for a while now, 595 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:09.079 you know, a month or so. Yeah, so I've been 596 00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:10.839 I've been humbled, I think is a good way to 597 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.960 say it. I've been humbled with the responsibility of doctor 598 00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:20.200 Meltrim's collection. When he he died, you know, he left, 599 00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.400 he wanted me to have his stuff, basically his big 600 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:27.279 foot stuff, which is obviously an extraordinary responsibility. And I 601 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:30.279 can't tell you how humbling it is. And if I 602 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.519 didn't have an inferiority complex beforehand, I certainly do now 603 00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:38.200 because I've got this tremendous wealth of knowledge from you know, 604 00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:41.079 my mentor, and he's he's passed me the baton to 605 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.720 do something appropriate I think with it. And the first step, 606 00:29:44.720

--> 00:29:47.720 I mean beyond just like the acquisition and getting it 607 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.079 here and making sure that you know, everything was taken 608 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:56.000 care of that the first step was integrating the footprint casts. 609 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:56.680 Yeah. 610 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.640 Yeah, integrating the footprint cast was the first step, which 611 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:01.640 was a lot harder than I thought it would be. 612 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:05.720 I mean, you, guys, Mad and Bobo, you've seen how 613 00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.200 I organize my collection, basically I have, but most people 614 00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:11.519 have not. I have these baker's racks, you know, like 615 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.880 these aluminum baker's racks, like those twenty shelves high. You 616 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.920 see them in bakeries and all that sort of stuff 617 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:22.279 for you know, cooling off muffins or whatever. They work 618 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:25.400 really well for footprints, apparently, because that's why I've been 619 00:30:25.400 --> 00:30:27.200 storing these things for years. That's the way we store 620 00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.519 them at the North American Big Foot Center. And they 621 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:32.680 are these racks. They don't take a big floor space 622 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:35.319 or like maybe eighteen by twenty four inches or something, 623 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:38.200 maybe you know a little bit bigger, but approximately that. 624 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.559 And they have shelves like these trays that kind of 625 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.559 slide into the shelves there, and each tray can hold 626 00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.279 between one and three or four casts, depending on the 627 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:51.960 size of the cast. And so I've been and I 628 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:56.920 store them, you know, alphabetic, alphabetically and chronologically within the alphabet, right. 629 00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.680 So that's how I organized my footprint cast. And when 630 00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.559 I got doctor Meldrum's collection, which includes the Blue Mountain stuff, 631 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:06.759 the first thing I did is I had to first 632 00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.200 I had to move all those shelves from my garage 633 00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:13.200 down to the outbuilding, which was a scary thing to 634 00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:15.680 do anyway, because I tried a couple methods, Like they 635 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.440 have wheels on the bottom, so I tried rolling one down, 636 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.319 but I've got that big hill on my driveway right, 637 00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.079 so that was scary. And then when I got down 638 00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:25.759 to the gravel road, turns out those wheels suck on 639 00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:30.000 gravel roads, so that didn't work well. So I did that. 640 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:34.880 I did a test run with kind of the rack 641 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.200 that contained the hoaxes and some other stuff, you know, 642 00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:39.200 so if something broke, it wouldn't be a big deal. 643 00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.039 What people realized is your driveways like forty five degrees slow. 644 00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.640 I wouldn't say it's quite that, but yeah, it is steep. 645 00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:49.319 It might as well be forty five. I mean it 646 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:51.960 has claimed one of Melissa's cars in the snow if 647 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:54.799 you remember that, Yeah, with a car just slid backwards 648 00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:56.680 on the ice down the hill and went over the 649 00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.799 road and over the grass and down the embankment and 650 00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.079 almost hit the outbuilding. It was crazy. So, yes, it's 651 00:32:02.119 --> 00:32:05.519 pretty steep. It's pretty steep. It's at least thirty degrees. 652 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:08.079 I'll say that it's somewhere between thirty and forty five degrees, 653 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:11.559 but yeah, it's pretty gnarly. But anyway, so what I 654 00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.160 eventually had to do is I brought the tractor up, 655 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:19.079 and then I put the racks on the tractor, on 656 00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:21.160 the on the front loader or the front end loader 657 00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:23.960 or the tractor, and I use ratchet straps and all 658 00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.599 these other things to like really really tighten it down, 659 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.759 and then I slowly backed up. And that seemed to 660 00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:32.519 be the most effective wave because I can bring down 661 00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.839 an entire rack, and of course I use ratchet straps 662 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.519 to make sure that the trays themselves wouldn't slide out. 663 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:42.960 And I went so slowly and so carefully, it took 664 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:49.160 me probably cumulatively for the seventy nine ten, like maybe 665 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:51.720 twelve racks I had. I bet it took me three 666 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:54.000 hours to move all three of those rats, or all 667 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:54.960 twelve of those racks. 668 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:56.279 That's pretty quick. 669 00:32:56.839 --> 00:33:00.359 Yeah, kind of didn't seem quick, but yeah, but I 670 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.880 rolled those into the new room, which you saw Bobo 671 00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:04.519 just recently. 672 00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:05.440 Yep. 673 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.119 Yeah, so thank you for moving your trailer. I have 674 00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:14.039 a new room now, So I put the I put 675 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.759 my racks all around the outside wall in some sort 676 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:20.559 of order, and then I brought doctor

Meldrim's casts in 677 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.519 and I kind of stacked them up by location of 678 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.279 where they needed to go. And I've had a lot 679 00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:27.519 of difficult choices to make because at the end of 680 00:33:27.559 --> 00:33:29.519 the day, you know, it's like, say, for example, I 681 00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.680 have an original cast from doctor Meldrim, Like I'll just 682 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.559 like a nineteen eighty seven cast from the Blue Mountains 683 00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.200 from the Freeman collection or something like that, So I 684 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:41.240 put that in front of the appropriate rack, and then 685 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.759 of course I already have a copy of that cast. 686 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.680 You know, I had a there were many mini casts 687 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.279 in doctor Meldrim's collection that I already had copies of, 688 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:52.519 you know, because he was one of my main sources 689 00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.279 of getting foot pretty casts. 690 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.680 And I got the one generation closer to the source 691 00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.279 about the original exactly exactly. 692 00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:02.759 So in these cases is like I had the original cast. 693 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.400 Many times doctor Meldrm might have another copy of that 694 00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:10.840 particular cast line around, I have my copy that I 695 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:15.400 obtained sometimes years and years ago, and occasionally I would 696 00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.599 have a copy of that same cast from doctor Krantz 697 00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:23.559 as well. Oh cool, yeah, because remember doctor Meldrum inherited 698 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.119 a significant portion of doctor Krantz's collection, So what do 699 00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:30.519 I do with all those? Right? So it was kind 700 00:34:30.559 --> 00:34:33.079 of a struggle in some cases, obviously the original is 701 00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:38.400 to be kept. I think doctor Krantz's copy is important 702 00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:40.760 enough to keep because that's a piece of history right there. 703 00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.639 And then the doctor Meldrim copies if he wrote on 704 00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.239 the back, he has a designation of how he labeled 705 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.360 his casts that I still haven't quite figured out yet, 706 00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:52.199 Like they have like a D thirty seven or something 707 00:34:52.239 --> 00:34:54.559 on the back, and I don't I haven't found the 708 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.559 key yet to that, so I'm not sure what I'm 709 00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.559 looking at as far. And I know what the cast is. 710 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:01.719 I know where came from, because I'm well versed in 711 00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:04.000 the history of footprint casts, particularly the Blue

Mountain stuff, 712 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.599 but I don't know that particular designation. If it was, 713 00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.039 I could have told you, well that's a different thing. 714 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:15.199 That's a different thing. But yeah, so I haven't found 715 00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:17.039 those yet, so I'm kind of working on it. So anyway, 716 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:18.840 I've been faced with a lot of dilemmas. Which wants 717 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.760 to keep, which wants to get rid of, you know, 718 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.159 And some of these might be of interest maybe some 719 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:28.239 NABC members, you know, because remind you, like I also 720 00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:32.880 inherited doctor Meltrim's molds for these same casts. So if 721 00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.599 doctor if Jeff had a copy of one of these casts. Well, 722 00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:38.440 I have the mold for it. I can just make 723 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.199 another copy and it'll be the exact same as his 724 00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.400 version of it. So do I keep that one too? 725 00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.480 So I don't know. There's a lot of decisions to make. 726 00:35:46.320 --> 00:35:49.199 Weren't pretty bad? Weren't his molds pretty dried out in 727 00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.039 bad shape like a lot of them? 728 00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.800 Yes, and no, there's he has two different versions. He 729 00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:58.679 had two different styles of molds. Basically, he had a 730 00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:03.039 sylastic molds, which are a silicone sort of plastic mix 731 00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.599 that doctor Krantz initially started using. And those are fantastic. 732 00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:10.599 I've never worked at that material before, but those casts 733 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:15.480 or those molds turn out really good copies of the footprints, 734 00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:18.800 and they're easy to work with and it's just a joy. 735 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.639 But that stuff's really expensive. And if I remember, doctor 736 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:25.280 Krantz somehow came across maybe two or one or two 737 00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:27.559 fifty five gallon drums of that material, so which is 738 00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.960 why he was using it. And Meldrum I think obtained 739 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.320 those same drums that he had not finished yet and 740 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.480 made some molds out of that. Those are great, but 741 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.679 he also made latex molds kind of like the ones 742 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:44.000 I use now, I use water based latex for copying 743 00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:47.400 prints with the latex molds. I suspect, and I don't 744 00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.000 know this. I don't know this for a fact. I'm 745 00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:52.119 probably one of our listeners does. But I suspect that 746 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.880 the latex that

doctor Krantz and maybe the ones that 747 00:36:54.880 --> 00:37:00.400 doctor Meldrum used were perhaps ammonia based latex, because I 748 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.199 don't like the smell of ammonia, so I never used 749 00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.079 that stuff, but I think there's reasons that some people 750 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.599 prefer that. And because all the latex molds that came 751 00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:14.119 with the collection were pretty dry. Many of them were 752 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.599 brittle or cracked in a certain place, and they were 753 00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.840 just very very dry. So actually, three or four nights 754 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.800 last week, you know, like after Melissa went to bed 755 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:24.320 or whatever, she goes a bit earlier than I do, 756 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.639 so nine or ten o'clock at night, I'm out there 757 00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:31.719 in the outbuilding reconstituting those latex molds. I looked up 758 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:33.480 how to do that. You soak them in water, you 759 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:35.760 spray them down with the solution and stuff, and I've 760 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:41.559 actually reinvigorated all of doctor Meldrum's molds, those latex molds 761 00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.679 and many of those I believe came from Krantz. I'm 762 00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:47.239 not sure. Really interesting stuff though out there, really interesting casts. 763 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.840 So there's a lot of originals. I'll be just beyond 764 00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:53.000 the Blue Mountain stuff. There's a lot of original casts 765 00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.599 in there that are fascinating. Some stuff I have no 766 00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:59.079 idea where it came from. They're not labeled, so I've 767 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:01.960 got some sleuthing to do. But also to get to 768 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.800 our story point here, I also inherited doctor Meldrim's files, 769 00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:08.960 you know, which included the Vance Orchard files and doctor 770 00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.920 Krantz's files as well. Apparently I didn't know Vance Orchard 771 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.320 stuff was in there, but it is. I'm pretty sure 772 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.519 that's what it is. And then of course doctor Krantz's 773 00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.400 files super interesting, and then doctor Meldrim's files as well. 774 00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:26.440 So and I think I counted, was it eighteen of 775 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.400 those big totes you know right now out of my 776 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.039 garage full of papers and other things. 777 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.280 Oh yeah, I went through two of those. That's why 778 00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:34.800 I got to go through two of them with books. 779 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:36.400 That was Rugs never mind. 780 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.119 Yeah, that was Mike Rugs stuff. Yeah, it's mostly papers 781 00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:41.119 and a lot of stuff printed from the Internet and 782 00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.639 correspondences and stuff. So it's going to take forever to 783 00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:47.119 get through this stuff. So my archivists, I know my 784 00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:49.519 archivists are listening, So you've got your work cut out 785 00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:51.519 for you. Wait till I get things organized here and 786 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:53.199 I'll start bringing in for you guys at the shop. 787 00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:55.599 But anyway, there's a lot of treasures and a lot 788 00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.559 of really interesting historic pieces out there, and one of 789 00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:01.519 the ones I ran into recently, I'm kind of I'm 790 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:04.880 starting to familiarize myself now that the cast room is 791 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.360 close to being done. I started branching out because you 792 00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.599 got to dive into this pile of papers at some point, 793 00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:14.559 right and so I've started going through them and leafing 794 00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:16.920 through them and seeing what's in here, and just kind 795 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:18.960 of getting a feel for what's in the boxes right 796 00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:21.719 before I start organizing them all. And one of the 797 00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.519 things that I ran across that I just found so interesting. 798 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:26.840 I just shared this with the DABC members last week, 799 00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:30.039 so members, you've already seen this, but this is worthy 800 00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.119 of a discussion. I believe it was a letter from 801 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:37.320 Bob Tipmos. Now, Bob Tipmos, everybody knows is a veteran 802 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.920 Bigfoot researcher, he's been there from the beginning. He's the 803 00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:45.159 guy that instructed Jerry Crewe how to take footprint casts, 804 00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:47.920 which is what gave us the word bigfoot and also 805 00:39:47.920 --> 00:39:51.320 our first Bigfoot footprint cast. You know. So Bob Timmos 806 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:53.840 was in it from the very very beginning. Doctor Krantz 807 00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.760 referred to as one of the most competent observers he knew. 808 00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:59.800 So good guy. But anyway, there's a letter to a 809 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.440 It says, dear George, and we don't even know who 810 00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:06.159 George is at first, but I had later George Hast. Well, 811 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.719 it turns out it is George Haass, but there were 812 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.960 a couple other options. But I thought it was George Haass, 813 00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:16.239 but I confirmed it was George Haas because of some 814 00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:22.440 other historic notes from the Bayery Group

collection. You know, 815 00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:24.320 there's some stuff that he wrote back in the day. 816 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:26.480 Well, what other George's are there? 817 00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:28.480 Well, proud you came up with another George. 818 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:32.199 It could have been Who was that George Agagino, Remember 819 00:40:32.239 --> 00:40:35.119 he was He was an academic that was pretty supportive 820 00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.639 of the subject. He wrote the ford for Ivan T. 821 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:41.320 Sanderson's book, and he had some other supportive writings. So 822 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:44.360 he was another George, that was a rend in that timeframe. 823 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:46.719 Has I could think of? 824 00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:48.760 Yeah, I thought it was Haws and it turns out 825 00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.000 it is. I found verification in some other documents that 826 00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:54.440 in the mildrum stuff that that it was in fact 827 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.360 George hass At this letter was going to and this 828 00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:00.800 letters dated September thirteenth, nineteen six. And you know, we 829 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:03.000 can put this the picture of the letter up on 830 00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:05.760 the member section if you want, Matt Prutt, if you 831 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:07.880 want to do that so they can actually see the 832 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.559 paper itself. But yeah, it was written on September thirteenth, 833 00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.559 nineteen seventy. Pretty good ways back right. 834 00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.400 The only bone with that letters is not in his handwriting. 835 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:20.199 Oh yeah, because it does have such beautiful handwriting. 836 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:20.559 Yeah. 837 00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:22.840 I do have a couple other historic letters actually in 838 00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.880 his handwriting, which are interesting, but not originals or photocopies 839 00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.440 of the originals. Okay, let's see should I read, Matt? 840 00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:29.760 You think I should read the whole thing or just 841 00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:31.679 the pertinent part. 842 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:33.159 I think read the whole thing. 843 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:34.039 The whole thing. 844 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:38.039 Yeah, okay, So the letter starts with Dear George, my 845 00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.920 apologies for being so long in answering your letter when 846 00:41:41.920 --> 00:41:44.599 it arrived. I was one hundred and fifty miles from here, 847 00:41:44.840 --> 00:41:48.280 out in the bush northeast of Hazleton, where John Green 848 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:51.320 got word to me that he and I were to 849 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:54.360 be in Salt Lake City the next evening to meet 850 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.079 with the film company and help with the computer programming. 851 00:42:00.119

--> 00:42:04.519 What panic to get back here to get cleaned up, packed, etc. Etc. 852 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.280 And make the early morning flight from the airport thirty 853 00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.679 miles from here. I read your letter and my other 854 00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:16.159 mail somewhere between here and Utah. Since returning, I've been 855 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.639 out in the bush for the most part of the time. 856 00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:22.320 An answer to your question, to the best of my recollection, 857 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:26.239 on a few occasions I have heard the rock pounding 858 00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:30.280 sound that you describe, but as best as I can recall, 859 00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:34.679 I arrived at no conclusion as to what was responsible 860 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:38.400 for this noise, and was only puzzled about it. These 861 00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.599 cases could all well have taken place before I started 862 00:42:42.000 --> 00:42:45.599 to seriously investigate and to hunt Bigfoot, some twelve or 863 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.519 thirteen years ago. I just can't remember. However, if this 864 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.079 were the case, I would not have associated it with Bigfoot. 865 00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:59.480 Bill Hampton has a valid thought regarding bears snapping their jaws. However, 866 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:03.440 I doubt that an experienced woodsman would ever confuse a 867 00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.679 bear popping his teeth with the rock pounding sound. By 868 00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:11.320 the way, especially in dealing with grizzlies, when they start 869 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:14.119 popping their teeth at you, it's prudent to be prepared 870 00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.800 for a charge, for they do this both as a 871 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:21.719 warning and challenge. Give old hamp my hello and good 872 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:24.079 wishes next time you see him. Haven't seen him for 873 00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.800 fifteen years. In nineteen fifty eight or nineteen fifty nine, 874 00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:32.679 Art Long and myself were tracking bigfoot on Upper Bluff Creek. 875 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:37.639 These tracks were fresh as you'll ever find. Shortly after 876 00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:40.800 they left the creek and started climbing the mountain, we 877 00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.719 were brought up short by what sounded like something pounding 878 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:48.760 on a rather hollow tree or perhaps log with a 879 00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.840 very big club. These sounds were being made in what 880 00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:57.880 could have been taken to be a coated series. Eventually 881 00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:01.280 I found a large stick and a log and started 882 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.679 pounding out a series of my own. Each time I 883 00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:09.960 stopped my series of pounding, it was repeated from above exactly, 884 00:44:10.480 --> 00:44:14.119 both in timing and the number of blows I had struck, 885 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:19.000 only very much louder. This continued for some fifteen or 886 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:23.199 twenty minutes, whereas this story or experience is much too 887 00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:26.800 long to recount here. At this time, I am just 888 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.800 as convinced today as Art and I were that day. 889 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.840 It happened that one of the Bigfoot creatures was doing 890 00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.840 the pounding some thirty or forty yards ahead of us 891 00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:40.639 in the dense timber and undergrowth. Art refused to move 892 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.880 one step further in that direction and wanted only to 893 00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.960 return post hace. So my investigation of the area the 894 00:44:48.000 --> 00:44:51.719 sound had come from was done rather hurriedly, was incomplete, 895 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.639 and did not prove anything one way or the other. 896 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.400 Don't bother yourself, George, wondering if it could have been 897 00:44:58.679 --> 00:45:02.320 any of the usual animals or another human. It wasn't. 898 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.599 We've already been through that. Hoping the above will be 899 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.519 of some little help to you. I'll say bye for 900 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.519 this time and be off to the bush near Hazelton again. 901 00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:13.960 All the best wishes, Bob, tipmos. 902 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:14.719 Ah so. 903 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:21.079 Very rad Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with 904 00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:23.880 Cliff and Bogo. Will be right back after these messages 905 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:34.599 to mind now. A few months later, George Hass actually 906 00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:40.000 published this particular letter from Bob in his newsletter from 907 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.800 the Bar Area Group newsletter Manimals Now isn't animals? 908 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:47.159 Manimals was McLaren's thing, that's right. 909 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:50.400 Yeah, I was the Bigfoot bulletin, the Bigfoot bulletin. 910 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:50.880 Yeah. 911 00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:52.800 So he actually published this letter a few weeks or 912 00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.440 a few months later, and it's quarterly newsletter. But but 913 00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:00.880 so that makes this possibly possibly the very very first 914 00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:02.480 written account of tree knocking. 915 00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.840 I wish we could see George's letter because he's saying, 916 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:08.719 in answer to your question, to the best of my recollection, 917 00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.400 I have heard the rock pounding that you described. Oh yeah, 918 00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.280 he's responded, like George, it's. 919 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:15.079 Like, hey, have you ever

heard this? 920 00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:18.119 You know that kind of thing? Yeah, yeah, so it 921 00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:20.920 makes me wonder. But who knows, Maybe that's in there too. 922 00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.079 There's files on George Haas. Who knows what's in there. 923 00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:26.960 You know, we will see, we will see. But yeah, 924 00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:29.760 very interesting stuff because this and that was in fifty 925 00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.119 eight or fifty nine. You know, that was like at 926 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:36.400 the birth of Bigfoot essentially, and you know, as I'm 927 00:46:36.519 --> 00:46:40.440 kind of gathering things together and trying to gather information 928 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.400 and maybe even trying to get a book outline together 929 00:46:43.480 --> 00:46:46.800 or something, like that. I've run across other things that 930 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.079 were observed i'll say, discovered in nineteen fifty eight or 931 00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.800 fifty nine, including tree snaps and tree twists. Like some 932 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:55.800 of these things that we kind of take for granted, 933 00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:57.960 they were there from the very very beginning, and tree 934 00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.639 knocking is apparently one of them. It's so interesting to 935 00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.000 me that doctor Meldrum, I think, finally came around to 936 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.159 the tree knocking thing, but for many many years he 937 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:08.440 was like, I don't know about that. Because even in June, 938 00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:10.199 when I got to spend so much time with him 939 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.760 before he passed in June, he says, so, Cliff, you 940 00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.719 really think these things knock? They go absolute one hundred percent. 941 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:18.119 I can't believe you never, like I remember like just 942 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:20.079 doing like what do you like, Jiff? How can you 943 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.239 not know that's what they do? Like? Do they definitely 944 00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:25.000 do it one hundred percent? Well? 945 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.920 I think it was just very very skeptical and wanted 946 00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:29.159 as much input as possible, you know, which you can't 947 00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:31.079 blame any scientists or person. We should all be like 948 00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:31.639 that in a way. 949 00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:33.679 But I double guaranteed it. Cliff. 950 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.559 Yeah, well of course you did, and I'm sure that 951 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:40.800 your your voice carried much more weight than most other people's. 952 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:47.440 But yeah, really cool letter, really interesting correspondence, a window 953 00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:51.440 into the past, like I said, probably to at least 954 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:53.239 to my knowledge at least. I mean, if there's another one, 955 00:47:53.239 --> 00:47:55.079 I'd love to hear about it from our listeners. Send 956 00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.360 it to you know, to be on podcast at gmail 957 00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:01.039 dot com. If there's an earlier reference to tree knocking 958 00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:02.880 in any sort of way, I would love to know 959 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:06.239 about it, because that's, you know, November of fifty eight 960 00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.199 or fifty nine, that Bob Tipmos is down a Bluff 961 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:11.760 Creek and tracking a Sasquatch and this is what he 962 00:48:11.880 --> 00:48:13.920 this is what he heard down there. And it's not 963 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.519 only did he hear knocking, hear the pounding, but he 964 00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.199 would do it and it would copy him. That's super 965 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:23.760 significant because that's the kind of thing that occasionally happens 966 00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.679 even still today. But right there in November of fifty 967 00:48:26.679 --> 00:48:29.480 eight or fifty nine, Bob Tipmos was pounding cadence and 968 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.599 number of pine and like those things were being answered 969 00:48:33.079 --> 00:48:37.360 in kind to imitate his own pounding in the depths 970 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.480 of Bluff Creek, and Bluff Creek's a wild place today. 971 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:41.320 I can only imagine what it was like in fifty 972 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:42.920 eight or fifty nine. 973 00:48:43.119 --> 00:48:44.760 Yeah, I remember, I had that happened to me a 974 00:48:44.760 --> 00:48:46.320 couple of years ago. Remember I told you about that 975 00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:49.119 where I was clapping my hands and it was daytime 976 00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:50.960 and it was clapping back in the Redwoods. 977 00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:54.239 Oh, yeah, it happened. I'm on camera doing it with 978 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.679 something in Australia. Yeah, the kind of thing happens. Yeah, 979 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.000 very interesting. And you know this may I mean, I 980 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:07.199 think there's earlier I think there's earlier mentions of rock clacking. 981 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:09.639 I could be wrong, but I think the rock clacking 982 00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:12.920 thing dates back earlier. Maybe not in association with Bigfoot, 983 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:17.079 but in some of those historic newspaper reports. I have 984 00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.559 it in my head that there's an earlier reference to that, 985 00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:21.760 and I don't know what it is. But maybe again, 986 00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:23.559 maybe one of our listeners does and they can send 987 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.280 it her away. But I don't think this is the 988 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:28.119 first time that rock clacking was associated with it. But 989 00:49:28.599 -->

00:49:31.960 to my knowledge, tree knocking is so. But who's art long? 990 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:35.159 That is a good question because that didn't sound familiar 991 00:49:35.239 --> 00:49:35.400 to me. 992 00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:37.880 Oh, wasn't he a logger? Was he a local lagger? 993 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:38.360 Up? There? 994 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:41.000 No idea I think that might. I think he might 995 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:42.400 have been a local logger up there. 996 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:44.480 Let's see if I can come up with that answer 997 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:45.039 real fast. 998 00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.039 I googled art long Bigfoot, but I don't see anything, you. 999 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:51.559 Know, I was looking up. I just look that kiddy 1000 00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:54.239 matt where he lived up there in BC. He was 1001 00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:56.719 he was right there, I mean he could he was. 1002 00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.840 I mean that that place is awesome. It's way north 1003 00:49:58.880 --> 00:50:00.679 of Bella, coolas. I mean, it's up there in northern 1004 00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:03.519 BC and like just a killer spot. I went at 1005 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:04.719 the head of an inlet. 1006 00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:07.159 That's where I think it was a taxi driver or something. 1007 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.679 Wasn't he up There'd be great if somebody got the 1008 00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:13.719 resources together to write a biography of Bob Timmis, because 1009 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:15.360 so little is known about him, because he didn't bother 1010 00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.000 writing anything now or sharing. He wasn't out there for attention. 1011 00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:21.280 He was just doing it right. Yeah, there might be 1012 00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:24.920 photographs of this other footprinting casts out there, and I 1013 00:50:24.920 --> 00:50:26.840 have photographs with all the collection that's in the Willow 1014 00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:30.000 Creek Museum. But oh, speaking of the Willow Creek Museum, 1015 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.599 do you guys see the new documentary. I watched it myself, 1016 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.360 and I hardly ever watch any bigfoot stuff. 1017 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:35.679 I just watched it last night. 1018 00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.800 It's called Willow Creek. It's on YouTube. Turned out it 1019 00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:41.039 was a student project, but they released it on YouTube 1020 00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.079 and apparently it's making the rounds. And our good friend 1021 00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.400 Eric Nelson, who's one of the guys the board of 1022 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.920 directors volunteers at the Willow Creek Museum, he's the central 1023 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.960 figure in it. Todd Samples, Yeah, Todd Samples is in there. 1024 00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:56.480 When camping with him this past June out of the Bluff Creek. 1025 00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.840

He was a really good guy, a good tracker, super 1026 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:00.079 fun guy. 1027 00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:01.880 The only problem, my problem with it, it was just 1028 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.559 kind of as another just talking heads rehashing the same stuff. 1029 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:08.239 It was like the production on it was like a 1030 00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:11.400 plus plus like better than anything you see on TV. Really, 1031 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:14.760 like you know, the cinematography and all that. But I 1032 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.119 like the but in the end it was I was 1033 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:18.320 like kind of waiting for him to go out and 1034 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:21.360 do stuff and show more stuff from the field, and 1035 00:51:21.519 --> 00:51:23.119 it was just kind of just interview. 1036 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:26.079 Yeah, yeah, but it was it was a student project 1037 00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:26.840 after all, you know. 1038 00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:28.880 Oh yeah, I mean for for like some of this 1039 00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.960 is any thing about bigfoot introduction, it was it was 1040 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:31.559 it was good? 1041 00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:34.679 Yeah, yeah, I liked it. I liked it, and of course, 1042 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.880 anything we can do to help the Willow Creek Museum 1043 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.840 get on everybody's map. I think it is better for 1044 00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:42.239 the subject and better for the Willow Creek area, of course, 1045 00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.199 So I was thrilled that somebody did that. 1046 00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:46.920 Since you're going through that stuff, is there anything else 1047 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:49.880 you've you've stumbled across yet that you like a holy 1048 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:50.599 crap moment? 1049 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.880 Oh yeah, yeah, there's been even packing it up. There 1050 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:55.800 were a lot of holy crap moments. 1051 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:57.760 You should have. You should have a weekly update clip 1052 00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.079 on your holy craps. 1053 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.320 It'd be like another Bobo story time but different. 1054 00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:04.639 Yeah, way better. 1055 00:52:05.159 --> 00:52:06.559 Yeah, I'm just saying you have a lot of crap 1056 00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:11.719 in your in your a lot of fecal stories, shall 1057 00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:17.719 we say? Well, you know, I've been trying to I'm 1058 00:52:17.719 --> 00:52:22.159 going to start doing some more updating the well not updated. 1059 00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.079 I'm going to be notifying I guess the NABC members 1060 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.360 as things come together. But I'm also hesitant, like, for example, 1061 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:31.239 just as a quick teaser, I guess before because I 1062 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.119 see we're kind of running out of time here. As 1063 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.480 a quick teaser, I found you know, obviously, I have 1064 00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.559 the original five point tracks from Meldrum in nineteen ninety six, 1065 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.880 and Jeff kept a stack of photographs in the same 1066 00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:49.519 drawer as his casts from the Five Points area ninety six. 1067 00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:51.400 Those are the ones that he details in this book 1068 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:53.639 at the beginning of his book and talks about all 1069 00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.960 the details he saw, and it's what really convinced him 1070 00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.559 that these animals are real and that he would be 1071 00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:03.480 negligent of his duty as an anthropologist to ignore this question, 1072 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:09.559 especially when he was so perfectly qualified to look into 1073 00:53:09.559 --> 00:53:11.559 this particular kind of evidence, you know, as being an 1074 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:16.320 expert in foot anatomy than by pedalism. So I've got 1075 00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:19.119 those the original casts now, and as well as much 1076 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:22.119 of photographs of those footprints in the ground, as well 1077 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.480 as probably a dozen or more others. Just the other night, 1078 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:29.400 like two nights ago, maybe I opened a file and 1079 00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:32.960 there were other photographs from that same scene, including a 1080 00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:37.639 picture taken by Jeff's brother that of doctor Meldrum like 1081 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.280 kneeling down documenting one of the footprint casts, which is 1082 00:53:40.320 --> 00:53:43.559 really interesting and a snapshot into history, because it was 1083 00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:47.079 that moment that really solidified I think Jeff was very 1084 00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.760 interested in the subject. But it was that moment which 1085 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:56.840 was which was Jeff's first in person contact with the evidence, 1086 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.480 you know, and that's what really did it for him. 1087 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:04.039 And so I ran across a photograph of him examining 1088 00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:07.719 these footprints in the ground, as well as handwritten notes. 1089 00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:10.679 I don't know if they're from the scene because there's 1090 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:12.480 no dirt or anything on him, but he might have 1091 00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.679 written them directly afterwards, but it is definitely his handwriting 1092 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:18.880 talking about that day, about how he visited Summerlin and 1093 00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:21.159 these other people were present, and then he visited Paul 1094 00:54:21.199 --> 00:54:23.239 who and Paul didn't remember who he was at first, 1095 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.239 and all that kind of stuffs. And then

there's some 1096 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.840 handwritten drawing or hand drawn sketches of the footprints in 1097 00:54:29.880 --> 00:54:33.280 the ground with various anatomical features pointed out and things 1098 00:54:33.320 --> 00:54:36.639 like dat dramaticallythics evident on medial side of this and 1099 00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:40.599 that and whatever. So yet, that kind of stuff is 1100 00:54:40.639 --> 00:54:44.039 what really tickles my fancy because it's snapshots in the 1101 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:47.880 history that we're still benefiting from. You know, doctor Meldrim 1102 00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.079 was a giant in our field. 1103 00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:52.880 Oh yeah, you have to get a new building, cliff, you, 1104 00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:59.239 I mean, with a Meldrum wing, a crafts wing. I mean, 1105 00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:01.800 you we got so much stuff. You need a way 1106 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:02.559 bigger building. 1107 00:55:02.960 --> 00:55:05.000 I know, I know we're gonna need a bigger boat. 1108 00:55:05.920 --> 00:55:10.400 Yeah for sure, for sure, But you know eventually, eventually 1109 00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.280 our rent is so good right now, that's when we 1110 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:17.880 renegotiated our lease. I mean our landlords, who are fantastic people. 1111 00:55:18.280 --> 00:55:21.559 I just love our landlords are really really kind, funny people, 1112 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:24.159 and they and I just so appreciate them because they 1113 00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:27.440 never check it check up on me. I've made their 1114 00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:30.079 building so much better than what it is or what 1115 00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:34.000 it was. We bring families to the complex because you 1116 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.599 know that there's a bar, there's a pizza place, there's 1117 00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:39.639 a coffee place, and an awesome burrito place, and that's 1118 00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.840 it and besides us, right, so we bring families in 1119 00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:45.400 who wouldn't normally be there otherwise, and they go to 1120 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.239 other businesses and order coffee or food or whatever. We 1121 00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:51.639 get it. We've been on the Discovery Channel, We've been 1122 00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:55.480 on Animal Planet, We've been on History Channel. We get 1123 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.800 international visitors like almost every week. I mean we had 1124 00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:01.760 people from the Netherlands day and the UK on Saturday 1125 00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:05.239 when I was there both that same day. What other 1126 00:56:05.360 --> 00:56:09.599 thing in Boring, Oregon? Does that, you know? I mean, 1127 00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:11.119 it's not a slight against Boring Oregon. 1128 00:56:11.159 --> 00:56:13.199 It's it's aptly named. 1129 00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:15.840 It's an apptly named city, shall we say. I say 1130 00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:17.760 it all the time. Nothing against the feed store. But 1131 00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:19.559 we are the most exciting thing in Boring. 1132 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:22.639 Well, you guys, I mean like you're not even really Boring. 1133 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.719 I mean you're you're you're a whole little separate, little 1134 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:27.800 like just off the freeway, little little you know, a 1135 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:30.960 couple of buildings, gas station, pizza and the bar or whatever. 1136 00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:31.800 Yeah. 1137 00:56:31.920 --> 00:56:34.400 Yeah, we're not in downtown Boring, that hustle and bustle 1138 00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:38.039 of downtown Boring. But but we are. We are in 1139 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:41.559 the unincorporated city of Boring. So but but anyway, our 1140 00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:45.800 landlords recognize the value of what we bring. All the 1141 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:50.119 local uh, tourism industries, mountain hood territories, travel Oregon, all 1142 00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.519 those people they love us were like like their poster 1143 00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:54.440 child from when they need something cool and interesting to 1144 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:57.159 put on the posters and you know whatever else. So 1145 00:56:57.280 --> 00:56:59.800 they recognize us, and they were there. My landlords were 1146 00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:05.320 exceedingly gracious when we renegotiated our lease. So I think 1147 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:08.039 I'm just gonna bide my time unless something drops in 1148 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:10.199 my lap, that's perfect. I'm just going to bide my 1149 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:15.639 time and save money for that initial down payment on 1150 00:57:15.679 --> 00:57:20.239 that commercial loan that it would be necessary because because 1151 00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:22.559 otherwise I got to have to refinance, you know, things 1152 00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.400 that I have and stuff, and it's like it's just 1153 00:57:24.440 --> 00:57:28.280 a big and the museum doesn't get to buy the property, 1154 00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:31.400 you know, Cliff and Melissa have to buy the property, 1155 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:33.960 you know, which is which changes the dynamic of the 1156 00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.960 interaction quite a bit, you know, when I'm when I'm 1157 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.440 buying a big building and stuff like that. So it's 1158 00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:42.559 a little complex. But luckily, our rent is so forgiving 1159 00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:45.039 at this point that I can do with a slightly 1160 00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:51.559 smaller than wished facility for the sake of saving money 1161 00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:54.199 for a better one someday. You know, I can sock 1162 00:57:54.280 --> 00:57:57.880 this money away because they expect to really like a 1163 00:57:57.920 --> 00:58:00.840 ten to fifteen percent down payment and these and the 1164

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.119 commercial building the size that we need is not going 1165 00:58:03.199 --> 00:58:03.679 to be cheap. 1166 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:06.679 So yeah, I. 1167 00:58:06.599 --> 00:58:08.719 Think the smart thing to do. And again, unless something 1168 00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.039 perfect drops in my lap, I get it. You know, 1169 00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.639 I won't turn that away because my landlord, this sounds 1170 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:15.320 like my landlords said, you know, if you find the 1171 00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.320 great they know I'm looking, and they said, if you 1172 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:20.760 get something, just come talk to us. We'll work it out, 1173 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.440 you know. So they're not going to like as sue 1174 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.880 me or something if something great happens and something drops 1175 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.000 in my lap. So yeah, they're really really nice people 1176 00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.320 like I can't see their praises high enough. So anyway, Yeah, 1177 00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.000 they're aware that we need a larger building, and they're 1178 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:38.079 aware that we're kind of halfway keeping an eye out 1179 00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:41.679 and if something drops my lap, great, But in the meantime, 1180 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.400 my rent is so forgiving that I might as well 1181 00:58:44.440 --> 00:58:46.039 stay there and just you know, out with the old 1182 00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.039 and of the new. Like the next few months, we'll 1183 00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:49.719 be pulling out some of the old displays that we've 1184 00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:51.599 had up for a couple of years and putting brand 1185 00:58:51.639 --> 00:58:53.920 new ones in. I've got a couple of new photographs. 1186 00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:56.639 I have photographs of sasquatches that I have permission to 1187 00:58:56.719 --> 00:58:59.320 use by their owners, so I'll be putting those up here. 1188 00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:02.159 Of course, we have the doctor Meldrum and doctor Krantz 1189 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.639 collection as well to integrate somehow. And Brian Smith, the 1190 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.360 veteran bigfoot researcher, just gave me the original co cuter 1191 00:59:09.400 --> 00:59:11.480 bill cast. I want to make a display out of that. 1192 00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:14.199 We got to have him on as a guest as well. 1193 00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:16.119 There's a lot of cool things coming up, and wintertime 1194 00:59:16.239 --> 00:59:18.719 is our time to do it because summer's too busy 1195 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.280 with customers. We just can't we can't pull away. But 1196 00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:24.679 wintertime gets a little quiet and lonely in the NABC, 1197 00:59:24.960 --> 00:59:28.039 so it gives us more time to improve the place. 1198 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.920 So is that I guess that's about a wrap then 1199 00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:31.360 for this. 1200 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:33.360 Week, I think we covered a lot of ground. 1201 00:59:34.000 --> 00:59:36.239 Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. I enjoyed it. 1202 00:59:36.840 --> 00:59:39.360 I hear from a lot of people that they enjoy 1203 00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.920 us just kicking things around and the banter between friends. 1204 00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:44.639 You know, it's nice to have interviews and stuff like 1205 00:59:44.679 --> 00:59:46.639 that and guests and everything. But at the same time, 1206 00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:49.719 I don't hear any negative reviews of us just hanging 1207 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:50.639 out and shooting the poop. 1208 00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:53.159 Yeah, that tends to be a lot of people's favorite 1209 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:54.280 type of episode. 1210 00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:56.480 Well cool, all right, we folks were Now next, we're 1211 00:59:56.480 --> 00:59:59.920 going to go listen to Matt Preuitz, the best bigfoot 1212 01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.800 ed bondistore I've heard in at least a decade, so 1213 01:00:04.159 --> 01:00:05.800 we're gonna go over there and out of our Patreon 1214 01:00:05.880 --> 01:00:08.559 and do that over there for our members. 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