النص الكامل لحلقة Monitoring the Situation: Aliens, AI, and What Comes Next

00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:09.600 Yeah, so I I don't I don't know what what it is or where it's from. 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:16.160 I mean, it's it's something, you know, like Eric Weinstein did the diary of a CEO podcast this week, and I think you saw it. 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:16.720 Yeah, indeed. 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:36.240 And he and he his analogy for it is there's a lump moving around under the rug, and we're sitting in the room, and we can either acknowledge that there's a lump under the rug and that something's there, or we can just pretend we don't see it, but pretending we don't see it is dishonest, and so it's like, how do you figure out what exactly is going on? 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:44.160 And and just and then the layers, you know, they're just layers upon layers that you know it's really easy. 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:49.120 I I understand why people default to, you know, it's all demons or it's not. 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:57.519 I mean, I understand why people default to that because I think the mind, you know, you want to resolve um enigmas, right? 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:16.240 It's like what's going on, and so you know, so I think there's a reason, you know, and for whatever reason, I think both both of us are kind of allergic to look, if it's if it's too simple and and therefore you have to ignore a bunch of stuff, and that's where you get your explanation from, then that's just not going to be good enough for me personally. 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:18.000 And I think it's the same way. 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:29.439 Um I I always think it's interesting the way they couch these discussions, even when they're testifying before Congress, even when they're talking in interviews, they never say it's aliens from another planet. 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:36.800 They always they like the phrasing they always use is non-human intelligence, and they'll say uh they'll just got beat up, dude. 00:06:39.040 --> 00:06:39.680 What do they call it? 00:06:39.759 --> 00:06:42.800 Uh uh, non-human intelligence is the thing that they use, yeah. 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.279 And then non-human biologics, things like that. 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:46.959 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:50.959 But they they won't say these are these are beings from another planet. 00:06:51.040 --> 00:06:56.560 They even seem to suggest they're they're they've been here longer than us and things like that. 00:06:56.959 --> 00:07:02.399 So they have a few categories that they put them in crypto terrestrials, which would be things that have been here a long time, right? 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:07.519 And they've shared the earth with us, but they've managed to stay hidden, whether it's underground or whatever it is. 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.079 Uh, interdimensional is uh is another option, some kind of spiritual. 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:18.480 I mean, I I do think that there is a crossover to the paranormal, preternatural realm here. 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:20.720 I mean, some of

the stuff probably is demonic, right? 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:30.800 And then and then you've got like the nuts and bolts stuff, you know, our fighter jets and our and our top train pilots aren't interacting with some demon flying around in a physical craft, right? 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:32.959 So it's like Jimmy Aiken has joined the championship. 00:07:33.120 --> 00:07:34.240 Jimmy Aiken loves his aliens, right? 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:35.120 Yeah, I know he does. 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:59.279 Um, yeah, it it's man, like when I when I think about like okay, so yeah, I want to kind of talk about like the Diana Pasolka interview that she did with Peugeot recently, because that was something you guys talked about on your show, but like not deep enough, I don't think, because she has been so weird on other shows where she was so vague about the things she was talking about. 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:06.079 But then when she was on with Peugeot, I really felt like she felt like she was in in home, like at home territory or something. 00:08:06.319 --> 00:08:06.800 Yeah, I agree. 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:15.279 And she she started using like language I would use about aliens, where she's she's using it like, okay, this is a new religion. 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:28.800 Um, the way she she talks about AI, which is my what I think AI is going to be, is almost like it's it's a way because for some reason the AI and alien conversation is intertwined, right? 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:37.039 And right, it seems like they're going to use AI to embody one of these or multiple of these non-human intelligence. 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:45.759 It's almost like an antenna or something where where they're they're going to embody one of these spirits, whatever the hell they are. 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:52.480 And it's it seems like the that the language the tech guys are using around it, it seems like that's what they're going for. 00:08:52.879 --> 00:09:01.600 You know, and that's one of the things that I, you know, I I would say that I'm officially agnostic when it comes to to this this topic, right? 00:09:01.679 --> 00:09:04.480 Um, I just don't I I wouldn't pretend to know. 00:09:04.559 --> 00:09:08.879 But so what I do is I pay attention to how they talk about it. 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:15.759 And I and I pay attention to, you know, overlapping language and discordant language. 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:29.840 And, you know, they, you know, a lot of these folks will talk about, if we're talking about the AI stuff specifically, you know, they they they they will talk about it in this sort of quasi-spiritual, quasi-embodied way. 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:50.480 And and and as if it's some, you know, I for me, like what just popped into my head is that it reminds me of, you know, like the Oracle of Delphi, you know, where they, you know, they they they they they're sort of summoning this thing and they they think it's talking to them, and they're acting as if it's sort of instructions

from the other side. 00:09:50.720 --> 00:10:03.360 And, you know, and and again, I I so Pasulca, why I like her work so much is that she just sort of carefully narrates, you know, uh the way you know these experiences and the way that they talk about them. 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:11.120 And and so just paying attention to the language, I think, is is at least a an entree into trying to make sense out of what's going on. 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:24.240 Well, I mean, if you uh, you know, they just um you know, I just saw uh a headline saying that anthropic like uh engineers are starting to pick up smoking because pretty sure AI's got your cancer. 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:30.639 I mean, yeah, it's it's like um it's like they're thinking they can go to Lord's, right, and get a mere miraculous healing. 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:32.960 Well, you know, Rob, I think you're exactly right. 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:47.200 I mean, I think, you know, again, if if you just pay attention to language and you kind of temporarily mute the the, you know, if you listen to signs and you mute the signifieds, there's a they they talk about it as if it is sort of apparition speak. 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:51.039 Yeah, you know, which is which is pretty damn creepy. 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:51.679 I mean, you know. 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:56.480 Well, look, I mean, we've talked about this on the show, you know, and I've written about it. 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:00.480 I had this conclusion last year of like, oh, they're forging gods. 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:02.159 Like that's that's what they're doing, right? 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:08.480 And but the reason that I came to that conclusion is because I was staying with a priest friend of mine, Father Joe Krupp, you know, shout out to him. 00:11:08.720 --> 00:11:18.159 Um, but but I would go to his chapel every morning and I'd sit there and I'd pray and and I'd think about stuff, and then I'd and I'm like, man, God isn't answering me. 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:23.919 And then just reflexively, I pulled out my phone and I was the question I was thinking about, I was like, I'll ask AI because it has an answer. 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:30.240 And then all of a sudden, the convergence of those two things, I was like, Oh, oh, this this is a God that answers. 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:33.279 This is a God that has an answer every time you ask. 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:33.919 Right. 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:36.240 That's kind of a fear, right? 00:11:36.320 --> 00:11:37.360 Well, no, of course. 00:11:37.519 --> 00:11:47.279 I mean, and and and if and you can see uh again, if you know that you can see the way that that can kind of subtly work on it or work on you, you know, like, oh, I'll I'll get a response. 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:49.679 You know, this sort of weird call and response thing. 00:11:49.759 --> 00:12:02.159 And and therefore you'll you know, your filters of discernment can get uh fried, you know, because oh, it's interacting with me and I can talk

back to it and it talks back to me. 00:12:02.240 --> 00:12:16.240 And and yeah, no, I I and I I think that there's a way in which that works on you psychologically, you know, that if you don't have the kind of tools of discernment, um you can get into some pretty dark places pretty quickly, I would imagine. 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:23.440 You you guys were talking last episode about like how like Catholicism lost its like wild um idea. 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:31.039 Like there's something about like the taming of Catholicism through the past few councils, especially like even Trent and stuff like that, right? 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:53.759 But what especially after the Enlightenment, Christianity as a whole, like because of Protestantism and the way modern, even the way modern Catholics function, it it's so much to do with like Catholic answers and responding to the by to the Protestant arguments and and seeing the world in a very materialist way, though. 00:12:54.080 --> 00:13:01.279 And I think a lot of that had to do with evolution and things like that, and just the rationalist way of thinking of things, a materialist way of thinking of these things. 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:38.000 That we've forgotten that these uh non-human intelligences have always existed, and it's almost like the medievals had a better way of understanding this stuff than we do, and the modern mind doesn't it's it's like um the the church did a really good job, or not the church, actually, the world did a really good job of convincing us all this stuff is superstition, and then all of a sudden these things start popping back up into the world, and people have no category for it, and I feel like they jump to aliens immediately because they don't have a category for some spiritual phenomena happening. 00:13:38.240 --> 00:13:48.879 Well, and that's one of our main themes that we come back to over and over again is that between UAP and AI, being in the news constantly, both of them, it's pushing us back into the weird. 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:51.279 Like, you know, I mean, people believed in this stuff. 00:13:51.440 --> 00:14:06.240 It's funny because I have a friend who, you know, I again I keep not identifying this person until they decide to make themselves known, but they are a known person in the world of traditional Catholicism, and they're they're like traditional religion needs to make room for the Faye. 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:18.399 I saw that, you know, that message from somebody, but yeah, like people from the UK and from Ireland and things like that, they really believe that the fairies are something real that they have to contend with, and that's something that's been lost. 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:27.919 We've lost that idea of there are supernatural things in the world or preternatural things in the world, and we're kind of bringing it back unintentionally by dealing with stuff that we don't know how to understand. 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:28.399 Right. 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:53.919 And so I think a lot of that that that banter and chatter about re-enchantment and all of that, you know, like with Rod's book and other things over the last, you know, calendar year or so, you know, one of the things that I sense with this whole reenchantment conversation is that, you know, yeah, like I do think reenchantment is coming back, but it's not like everybody's gonna sort of magically become, you know, uh Catholic again, right? 00:14:54.000 --> 00:15:00.960 That that you're gonna find very strange and and even pre-uh Christian versions of re-enchantment. 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:17.679 And, you know, it's not a surprise to me at all that, you know, paganism, like just straight up LARPing paganism has made such a radical return, you know, and and what's interesting to me about that is that that is something that penetrates deep into the heartland of this country. 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:20.000 Like, this is not like coastal stuff. 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:32.879 I mean, you know, California has always had its fair share of like weird, you know, Northwest paganism, but like it's penetrated the the interior of this country, seeded, I think, in a large part by the internet. 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:41.600 There's probably as many neo-pagans in my little town of you know, 3,000 people as there are mainline Protestants at this point. 00:15:41.759 --> 00:15:41.919 Right. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:42.399 That's right. 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:42.720 That's right. 00:15:42.879 --> 00:15:51.519 Well, and then if you live where I am in the research triangle in North Carolina, I mean, the town of Morrisville, which is a suburb, has over 50,000 Indians. 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:57.200 There are six Hindu temples, one of which is got 20,000 members. 00:15:57.360 --> 00:16:01.440 The thing is huge, huge statues of the Hindu gods outside and all this kind of stuff. 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.320 So you're talking about in Raleigh entirely, right? 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:09.200 Raleigh proper has about 500,000 people, the entire metro area is about a million. 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:13.120 You're you're talking about eight to ten Hindu temples here. 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:23.600 I mean, it is a huge amount of paganism that we've imported back into the US because we wanted people on H1B visas, which is a crazy way to get that here, you know. 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:24.639 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.039 To import it, just it's okay. 00:16:27.120 --> 00:16:40.240 So, like if you the the story of scripture really does, especially in the in the book of the apocalypse, it talks about how there's this period of like the thousand years where the where the where the dragon is bound. 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:46.879 And to me, that's like the spread of Christendom, where where these pagan gods are bound, right? 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:51.120 The church goes out, they convert the entire pagan world. 00:16:51.200 --> 00:16:54.559 Where like Jesus

says, When I am lifted up, all I will draw all nations to me. 00:16:54.639 --> 00:16:57.919 Like down the oaks and yeah, Bob. 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:07.359 Like, there's there's a real element where there's never been a more truer prophecy, where when we raise the crucifix, all nations come to him, right? 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:12.480 And the church really did bind these gods for a very long time. 00:17:12.559 --> 00:17:23.759 And it seems like in especially over the past hundred years, 50 years precisely, the church stopped binding them, and these things keep popping up, and they're getting worse and worse. 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:42.240 And they're like you're even seeing some of the worship associated with those gods popping back up, where especially with the trans movement, like the the like Artemis of Artemis of Aphesia, her priests were castrated, wore women's clothing, and people will bring their children to them. 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:47.680 Like you're starting to see some of that same behavior that was around back then popping back up. 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:59.680 We're just calling it the trans movement, but it's very similar to well, and Kale draws the line between the trans thing and transhumanism, which is where the guys who are running the AI show are headed, they're all headed in that direction. 00:17:59.839 --> 00:18:16.160 I mean, the the religiosity that you see and the things that they're doing, they believe in like they don't believe in in heaven or an afterlife, they believe in sort of a like a you know, the singularity, the humans merging with machines and becoming this post-human utopia. 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.519 You upload your brain to the cloud, and that's how you become immortal. 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:20.720 Like that's crazy. 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:28.000 But the Solka said that um transhumanism is like an inversion of um the transfiguration. 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:40.880 But I think it's almost an inversion of well, I would think the a transgender person or the trans movement is an inversion of transubstantiation, and that like transubstantiation, right? 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:48.880 The accidents remain the same, but the substance changes where they the accidents change appearance and they're and the substance things the same. 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.160 It's it's an inversion of transubstantiation for sure. 00:18:52.319 --> 00:19:01.200 And I think there's this clip we played from Peter Thiel, yeah, where he talks about the trans movement, and he says, you know, they're changing their bodies, they're changing the he's like, but that's not enough. 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.279 We want to change everything so much more, like we want it to be more radical, right? 00:19:05.440 --> 00:19:09.519 So it's this idea of changing what human nature even is and what our capacity is. 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:17.359 So it's one thing to physically change your body, it's another thing to become post-human, and that's what these guys are going for. 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:21.200 They're also trying to undo the curses of Genesis, right? 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:25.839 Like they like immortality, they want to get rid of the pangs of childbirth. 00:19:26.000 --> 00:19:32.480 They want to like all the things they're trying to do have to do with the punishments we receive in Genesis, and they're trying to undo them. 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:38.880 It's real, these guys are more occult, they're more into the occult than I think the average person recognizes. 00:19:39.119 --> 00:19:50.000 But if you want to tie it back to the church, I mean I remember back in the you know in the 1 Peter 5 days having people tell me about you know, talking to nuns who, you know, were well, we do this with the poor and we do this and we do that. 00:19:50.079 --> 00:19:51.519 And they're like, okay, well, what about saving souls? 00:19:51.680 --> 00:19:55.200 Well, we don't we don't really believe in heaven, so we try to make heaven here, right? 00:19:55.359 --> 00:20:02.240 So if you want to know why the church isn't binding that stuff anymore, it's because of the imminent frame that that it has adopted. 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:08.720 Like the church is more of an NGO than a than a vehicle for salvation than a than a gateway to the transcendent. 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:09.599 That stuff is gone. 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:12.720 And so people are looking somewhere else for the transcendent. 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:16.559 And in and in many respects, that was done. 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:18.400 I think, I think, Anthony, you're right. 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:33.519 I think that that so for so long, the Western Church, you know, has done this game, you know, you know, sparked by the ref the various reformations of, you know, John Vravicki has this concept of opponent processing, right? 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:45.519 That that like you know, you sort of have this, you know, opponent is not necessarily like your enemy, but you know, that you you you you change each other by this kind of constant back and forth, right? 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:55.279 And so what happens is that all attention gets focused upon, you know, back to the sources and all those various arguments about scripture and tradition and all these kinds of things. 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:59.920 And so it becomes largely um a propositional fight. 00:21:00.160 --> 00:21:04.960 And so everything becomes about having the right propositions, right? 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:17.279 But but but you know, prior to the reformations, you know, the the the church was much more comfortable in the domain of of orienting uh mortals in some kind of immortal frame. 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.759 And all that stuff gets uh at at best, it gets put on the back burner. 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:43.599 And so all of our energies were were stuck on um what were essentially were political um realities, uh, and and I think ignored uh these sort of spiritual realities, which

those spiritual realities were the were the the you know the sort of the engine of of the church's work in converting the the pagan world. 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:59.359 Yeah, it's uh Steve, you it's it's interesting to me because I like I know I know you've had like your public um um issues with talking about the faith, like the faith and stuff like that, but like your your whole framework, you still work within a Catholic. 00:22:00.240 --> 00:22:05.839 Because it's like it's like the only world you know, and yeah, and you you still see everything through that framework, it's very no. 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:10.240 I mean, the comparison that I that I make is I mean, have you ever seen those pumpkins that they grow in molds? 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:13.279 Yeah, like grow them in a mold, so they'll take on a shape. 00:22:13.359 --> 00:22:17.680 So when when you grow into a mold and the mold gets taken off, you're still in that shape. 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:25.200 My entire worldview was formed by that, and so it's not that I just like you know hit the jets and was like cyanar. 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.880 It was like, I need to back up and I need to figure out what this really means. 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:35.200 I need to make a decision for myself because I'm a cradle Catholic who grew up with all this stuff, I didn't choose it for me. 00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:40.319 I needed to back away from the things that didn't make sense and look at it again with fresh eyes. 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:50.079 And the first couple of years, I just needed to get the hell away from it so that I could get the clarity of mind to reevaluate it, but I never stopped looking at it through that lens. 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:55.680 Yeah, I because when I listen to the conversations you guys are having, like you're still operating within that framework. 00:22:55.759 --> 00:23:03.519 It's it's very so like we when Cale was on with um uh Eric Sammons, he he called you a former Catholic, and I called him up. 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.400 I was like, Don't you're a former Catholic. 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.720 He's just a Catholic that's struggling with some stuff right now. 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:11.920 I don't like that the case. 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:12.559 I think that's fair. 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.000 I think that's I just think you're a Catholic, it's just you're like struggling with some stuff, right? 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.480 Only because I went through something similar. 00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:28.400 Um, I I mean uh what's what's what's ironic is I went through something very similar in 2015 when Amoris came out. 00:23:28.559 --> 00:23:30.480 I got so blackpilled on everything. 00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:31.759 I stopped attending the sacraments. 00:23:31.920 --> 00:23:41.440 I had every single, I was just like everything the church has taught me, like everything I believed about Catholicism, about the church, the Holy Spirit like protecting, all went down the jail.

00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:42.319 I'm like, this is nonsense. 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:48.799 And I stopped attending the sacraments, and things just spiraled out of control for me in my life, in my marriage, everything. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.079 But part of me coming back was like reading 1 Peter 5. 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:54.559 Yeah, I've heard that a lot, actually. 00:23:54.960 --> 00:23:58.480 Well, that's that's actually how I like I met you online. 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:02.319 I meet you because I'm reading 1 Peter 5, and I see you're on Twitter. 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:05.920 I wind up like my interactions with you is how I meet Kale. 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:07.759 I also meet Don. 00:24:08.079 --> 00:24:18.079 Don saw me and you interacting on X, and then I'm at church one day, and somebody comes up to me and he's like, Hey, why aren't you just interacting with with Steve uh Skog on Twitter the other day? 00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:19.759 And I was like, Oh, okay. 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.599 So he I met Don, who's a real life friend because of my interactions with you. 00:24:23.680 --> 00:24:25.279 I met Kale because of my interactions with you. 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:31.119 So it's kind of interesting to watch you go through something that I went through, and I don't know where you'll end up on it. 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:36.400 I I ended up back, but that's why I don't like when uh it's described as a former Catholic. 00:24:36.480 --> 00:24:37.839 I don't think that's what you are. 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.240 No, I don't I don't think that that's accurate. 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:44.720 I mean, you know, it's funny because everybody loves everybody who hates me loves to call me an apostate. 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:45.599 And I'm like, but really? 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:55.920 I mean, like this week, I have spent the whole week arguing about the death penalty and what the church actually teaches about it, because other than Ed Fezzer, I don't know if anybody's written as much or gone as deep on it as I have. 00:24:56.079 --> 00:25:01.359 And so watching everybody, you know, have this conversation about, you know, Nidal Hassan and the public execution. 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:12.720 I'm like, before you can even get to the ethics of whether an ed an execution should be public, you need to figure out as Catholics what the church actually taught about the death penalty and why it was considered morally licit. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:20.480 There's a tradition there that, I mean, I've had a dogmatic theologian tell me it is first of all, it's deeper than the arguments against contraception. 00:25:20.559 --> 00:25:28.400 And secondly, I mean, he said, this is a guy who works in a diocese, he's in good standing, like he's not some far out, you know, say day guy. 00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.440 And he's like, Francis engaged in formal heresy there. 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:32.960 This is something you cannot deny. 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:39.920 It's scriptural, it's been affirmed by popes, by the doctors of the church, by hundreds of years of precedent. 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:43.759 He's like, you can't just walk this back, like it doesn't work like that. 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:51.440 But for me, I'm like, show me how life has improved in the places where you've gotten rid of the death penalty, right? 00:25:51.519 --> 00:26:12.240 Like, yeah, show me what benefit, like by recognizing human dignity, because the deterrent factor alone, and that people thinking, hey, this severe consequence will come my way if I commit this crime, that alone, like I think that I mean, if you started executing gangbangers, I promise you, freaking gang murders would go down. 00:26:12.319 --> 00:26:12.880 You know what I mean? 00:26:13.279 --> 00:26:15.680 But you can't hide it, like and and that's the thing. 00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:21.599 I mean, the the discussion around public execution, I actually think everybody should read what Palmer Lucky has been writing about it. 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:23.200 He's been very cogent about it. 00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:24.480 Uh, he's a smart kid. 00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:26.240 I mean, how old is he, like 23? 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:27.839 I mean, he's a crazy young. 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:35.119 Um, he's not you know, like the idea of hiding this, it takes away it takes away the deterrent effect. 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:41.920 Well, we as Catholics have dropped any idea of retributive justice altogether, yeah. 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:48.640 You know, so it's like it's only about can we keep people safe and all this kind of stuff, and it's like that was never the whole deal. 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:51.119 It's so female coded, all of it, right? 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:57.759 Like everything everything, everything, everything the church says now is so female coded, it's like in real. 00:26:57.920 --> 00:27:00.720 It's like you the Pope writes a tweet, it may as well be Lila Rose. 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.119 It's just like, oh no, it's so gross. 00:27:03.200 --> 00:27:05.200 I know what are we doing here? 00:27:06.079 --> 00:27:06.720 Stop. 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.000 I didn't mean I didn't mean to derail the whole conversation like that. 00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:11.759 I still want to stay on aliens and AI. 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.200 So Rob, we got we have the clip of Brett Bayer in there. 00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:16.160 I want to play that. 00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:35.200 Okay, and then I kind of want to get into like AI doomerism, and we'll we'll we'll do the we'll do the aliens thing first, and then I wanna I because that tweet I posted today, just that clip of the news reporting that all these AI execs are telling us within six to twelve months there's gonna be an AI apocalyptic event, like a catastrophic event. 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.839 Yeah so we'll start with the David Gross, uh not David Gross, the Brett Bayer speaking with this guy. 00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:46.160 And I I

want to I want to just like point out the language around it, how how muddled the language is. 00:27:46.400 --> 00:27:49.039 He's still not saying it's alien life. 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:55.759 Yeah, does the United States government have non-human craft in its possession? 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.440 Yes, it does. 00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.359 And have you seen one with your eyes? 00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:07.599 I I have seen uh non-human beings and non-human craft with my own eyes. 00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:09.279 Non-human beings too. 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:10.160 Yes, sir. 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:11.920 Where are these craft now? 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:14.720 Are they being reverse engineered? 00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:16.319 Does the government have them? 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:18.240 Is it private companies that have them? 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.400 What what where where is this stuff? 00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:27.359 Brett, both the defense contractor community and the government have craft of non-human origin. 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:35.599 There is an ongoing program to capture and reverse engineer this technology, and really we're in a secret Cold War race to do that. 00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:37.599 Why haven't we heard about this? 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:46.799 Why, you know, all of these releases from the government that we have these videos, and some of them are very compelling, others not so much. 00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.599 And people say, Well, I want to see the real stuff. 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.079 Why haven't we seen the real stuff? 00:28:52.640 --> 00:29:00.799 Well, the people who have had this 80-year monopoly on the topic believe that the secret is so intense that the American people cannot handle it. 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:09.039 I believe that there may be aspects of this that are so intense that they can't share it, but they can share with the American people the basic fact that we are not alone. 00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:09.839 The people can handle it. 00:29:10.079 --> 00:29:10.880 You can take it down, Rob. 00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:15.920 I want to jump into him saying I've seen non-human beings. 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:20.079 I mean, every every creature on the planet that's not a human is a non-human being, right? 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.079 I mean, it's the same thing. 00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.680 Um, but we had we had Hitchbourne on, and Tom, if Tom's in the comments, Tom watched the show. 00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:34.799 It was like a year or two back, where Hitchbourne came on and told us his whole theory about the anti-Diluvian world. 00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:58.720 And man, was it an interesting show where his his theory is that because uh humans lived so long, they were able to pass on knowledge in a way that technology just grew and grew and grew, which led to like some of the structures we see around the world where maybe that's how the pyramids come about, yeah. 00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.599 And uh things like that. 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:22.960 And I'm wondering if maybe some of these crafts are just leftover technology from before the flood that have been in some form of hiding ever since then or something like that, because I don't see them being crafts from another planet, it just seems preposterous to me that some I mean you you think about us traveling to another like planet where life can be sustainable. 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.960 It's like we are nowhere even remotely fathomably close to it. 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:31.759 Like when you when you watch all these sci-fi movies, you watch Interstellar, they all go in for the hyper sleep. 00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:39.279 It's like we're not even remotely yeah, like it's we're never we're never traveling to other galaxies with the technology we know of. 00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:40.960 I don't see that being the case. 00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:44.400 So I'm wondering if maybe something like that could be plausible. 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.200 Well, I mean, I would strongly there's a couple things I want to talk about. 00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:49.279 We should talk about who this guy is, first of all. 00:30:49.440 --> 00:31:00.880 But secondly, to your specific point there, I mean, Eric Weinstein's been on a tear lately, and he's a really interesting guy because he spent the last 42 years developing a theory of everything, a scientific theory of everything, right? 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:09.039 So he wants to be a physicist, he realizes that the entire world of physics is captured by the time he even starts doing grad school. 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:18.400 So he goes through uh an unconventional route, he goes and gets a PhD in math because he knows that if he goes physics, he's not going to get anywhere, right? 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:28.720 He spends 42 years developing this unifying theory called geometric unity, which nobody understands because if you're not trained in that world, like it does it just doesn't make any sense. 00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:32.000 I've seen him try to explain it to Joe Rogan, I've seen him try to explain it to other people. 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:33.200 He's like, you don't know the terms. 00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:41.039 And so the amount of background you would need to do to understand spinners and tensors and all these kinds of things, he's like, it's really hard to explain what it is. 00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:55.200 But he believes, in his words, that Einstein is our jailer and that we need to be able to break free because the space-time paradigm that Einstein came up with, you know, general relativity is not the last word in physics. 00:31:55.359 --> 00:32:02.559 And so, like he said to Stephen Bartlett on Dyer is CEO just a day or two ago, he said, I believe we can leave. 00:32:02.720 --> 00:32:08.400 And the whole reason we didn't figure this out 40 years ago is because physics was intentionally run aground. 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:21.599 And if I believe we can leave, then I have to

believe that something else could be here because there are ways around the way that we understand travel through space and all this kind of stuff, but we're messing around with string theory and quantized gravity and all this stuff. 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.799 It's just dogs that won't hunt, and they're the only game in town. 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:30.079 If you want to be in physics, you have to play that game or you get railroaded, like you just don't get there. 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:36.799 And so he thinks that we can escape the problems of light speed and all this kind of stuff. 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:37.759 Now, how specifically? 00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:38.079 I don't know. 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:39.920 I'm not smart enough to understand it. 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.440 But there are serious people who have been working on this. 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:48.160 To him, this is his life's work, and he thinks AI is going to validate his theory. 00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:51.519 He said it's not advanced enough yet, but it's getting close. 00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.119 So that's an interesting thing. 00:32:53.279 --> 00:33:04.240 It is interesting that because after the bomb is made, they really do lock down all of physics into CIA, like it's top secret, and they're really not allowed. 00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:09.279 Like, there have been no significant advancements in physics since the bomb was created. 00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.680 Well, look up, look up the phrase born secret. 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:20.559 If anybody wants to know, like you cannot even accidentally reveal aspects of nuclear physics without committing a federal crime. 00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:26.799 Yeah, unless you're doing it for a certain other nation, but you can't do it publicly, is the point. 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:36.240 And so it's like, you know, if you're just a physicist grad student who's like writing stuff out on a napkin and you show it to somebody else and it's real, like you've actually committed a crime. 00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:43.599 And so Eric's pointed out physicists do not have the same First Amendment rights that any other Americans have, they are prevented from that. 00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:51.599 And then you you you transition to Mark Andresen and you know, the guy who works with them, Horowitz, who went to the Biden White House a few years ago. 00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.559 They wanted to talk about investing in AI startups. 00:33:54.720 --> 00:34:08.400 And the Biden White House told him, Don't bother, because there's going to be a couple of AI companies that we're going to basically put in a cocoon and we're going to keep them safe, and everything else is going to die because we have to be really careful about where we're doing this. 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.440 And and Andreason's like, Well, how do you how do you do that? 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:15.440 Because AI is just linear algebra, like you can't stop the math. 00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:22.079 And they

said, Well, we classified entire areas of physics during the cold war and took them out of the public realm. 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:24.480 And we'll do the same thing with this math. 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:26.000 And they're going to. 00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:27.920 You could see, you could see they're going to. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:28.480 That's all right. 00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:34.480 So that's a good lead into well, it's like when they uh banned uh anthropic's latest model for that short time, right? 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:44.559 They'll just well, I mean, because think about what if these things can solve the Navier Stokes problem and all these math problems, they can solve hard problems of physics, including nuclear physics. 00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:51.280 And what you don't want is some Yahoo with a$20 chat GPT subscription figuring out how to build a nuclear bomb. 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:52.000 Right. 00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:55.440 There were there were clips of people. 00:34:56.239 --> 00:35:29.119 The thing is, you don't know how much of this is like a propaganda, or like there's so it's so you don't know what is just a psyop, you don't know what's propaganda, you don't know, you don't know anything that's true when you're talking about because I've seen interviews where people are talking about how they jail broke into like top secret levels of government with their simple chat GPT, and then they had to go and plug that hole because it was just some random guy was able to, you know, like infiltrate into like our high top secret arena areas in the government. 00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:44.719 What's funny to me about this is that I don't know if y'all remember, but about a decade ago, maybe a little bit longer ago, when when uh 3D printers were all the rage, you know, they just sort of came out and they were um uh uh releasing them to the public, you know, sort of nerfed models to the public. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:50.719 And the big the big concern is that somebody could print, you know, uh a 3D print a gun of some sort. 00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:51.440 Right. 00:35:51.679 --> 00:36:08.880 And it's so cute to think in retrospect that that was this big concern when you know what what we're doing now with AI far exceeds potentially, far exceeds, you know, printing a kind of a plastic gun that you can, you know, get through uh airport security. 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:11.199 No, you can just design a biological gun. 00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:12.400 Right, right. 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:17.119 You know, you can design a pathogen, you can do protein folding, you can do all this stuff that, yeah. 00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:22.800 I have an interesting uh print gun printed gun printing story. 00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:24.559 We had our we had our yards. 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:25.760 Of course you do. 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:29.360 We had our yard raided about a year ago. 00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:30.960 I was like two and a half. 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.280 Where we where we meet in the morning, like my whole, my whole uh my company where we meet in the morning we're at our office. 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.840 We we get there one morning and there's like cops everywhere. 00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.440 There's a freaking raid in my yard. 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:53.920 It turns out our mechanic was working overnight, and he was 3D printing guns and getting like parts shipped in, and he was smelling 3D printed guns in New York, bro. 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:54.639 They hit this guy. 00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:56.159 This guy's doing like 25 years ago. 00:36:57.920 --> 00:36:58.480 Oh man. 00:36:59.199 --> 00:36:59.599 Wait a minute. 00:36:59.679 --> 00:37:04.079 To go back to the Brett Bayer clip, the guy who's being interviewed, his name is Jay Stratton. 00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.880 Um, he's got a real pedigree. 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.840 I mean, 32 years of military and intelligence service. 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:13.440 He's been Army, Air Force, then he went into the intelligence community. 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:18.159 He's been 16 years officially on the UFO UAP thing. 00:37:18.400 --> 00:37:21.280 He is the civilian equivalent of a two-star admiral. 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.320 Like he is the highest ranking official to ever do this. 00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.360 He was the head of the UAP task force. 00:37:27.519 --> 00:37:29.360 He was basically Grush's boss. 00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:39.280 I mean, the reason David Grush began investigating all this stuff is because Jay Stratton tasked him to go look and see what is going on with these secret programs. 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:40.320 They are clearly here. 00:37:40.400 --> 00:37:44.159 And and in his book, which just came out today, it's called Out of the Shadows. 00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:45.840 I've read five chapters of it. 00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:47.199 I haven't made it that far. 00:37:47.440 --> 00:38:04.880 But I mean, he he talks about how when he began looking into this, it was because he is he was the chief of, I forget what is what his exact title, chief of air space uh threat assessment or something like that for uh I think ODNI or ONI, I don't remember which one. 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.880 OA, whatever it is. 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.119 And uh, there's so many acronyms in the government. 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:09.679 Yeah, I know. 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:11.679 But uh, but but he and so Dr. 00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:22.320 James Lakatsky, who's another guy, by the way, nuclear engineer, government guy, who has written a book saying that he has had hands-on an alien craft that they were trying to reverse engineer. 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:26.480 And the guy is it's like when you see him interviewed, it's like interviewing a phone book. 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:27.840 Like he's the most boring guy in the world. 00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:29.840 There's nothing about him that's attention seeking. 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.159 He's like 80 years old, but but

he's dead serious about the stuff that he's doing. 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:41.599 So, anyway, the guy comes to him, Lakatsky comes to him with a photograph of a craft pulling an impossible maneuver. 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:45.360 And he goes, You're the guy who can identify any aerial threat. 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:46.159 That's your job. 00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:47.679 What the hell is this thing? 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:49.679 He's like, I've never seen anything like it before. 00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.119 And then he shows him the video and he says that this is in the book. 00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:57.920 He says it's pulling a maneuver that would have torn any human aircraft apart. 00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:05.760 There's no way it could withstand the G-forces, the thing had no control surfaces, it just didn't make any sense based on anything that he'd seen. 00:39:05.920 --> 00:39:15.599 And when he realized that this existed, he started looking into it, saying, There's no way these things exist in our airspace, and I'm the first one finding out about it. 00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.719 There has to be a program keeping this stuff secret. 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:21.119 So he started digging and trying to find it. 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:24.559 And somewhere along the way, that's where Grush comes in. 00:39:24.639 --> 00:39:28.639 You know, he's an Air Force major, he's 14 years, you know, doing intelligence work. 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:30.079 He did the presidential daily brief. 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:35.599 I mean, a very serious guy dealing with top, top TSCI clearance and all this kind of stuff. 00:39:35.760 --> 00:39:38.719 And he's like, go find out what is going on. 00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:40.320 Why don't we know about this? 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.960 We're the intelligence community and we don't know. 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:44.880 And so that's how Grush got into it. 00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:51.760 But so Stratton is a very serious guy, and he opens his book with a story to your point about seeing non-human beings. 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:52.639 Listen to this. 00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:56.880 He goes, it's 4 a.m., March 12th, 2014, in rural southern Maryland. 00:39:57.039 --> 00:39:58.320 My eyes snap open. 00:39:58.480 --> 00:39:59.440 Time to get up for work. 00:39:59.599 --> 00:40:02.320 My wife, Michelle, is still sound asleep next to me. 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:05.199 Our sons, Johnny and Chris, won't be up for hours. 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:12.719 I step out of our bedroom and turn down the dark hallway, leading to a bright lit illuminating uh a bright light illuminating my living room. 00:40:12.880 --> 00:40:14.800 Cautious, I approach the end of the hallway. 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:18.159 Johnny, our younger son, is asleep on the living room couch. 00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:24.400 He's been sleeping there due to the sheer number of terrifying anomalous incidents that occurred in his bedroom. 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:31.599 Sensing something, I look to the window where I see what is unmistakably a non-human being staring at my son. 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:32.639 It's gray. 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:37.360 It has a large head with small black eyes, no noticeable nose, and a small mouth. 00:40:37.599 --> 00:40:39.440 Startled, it turns to face me. 00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.760 We have a few seconds of a standoff, then the light goes dark and it's gone. 00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.039 I run out the front door into the cold pre-dawn silence. 00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:48.079 Nothing's there. 00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:52.960 I clock the area as I move down our sidewalk toward the driveway, triggering our security light. 00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:58.000 It gives off a soft glow, much different than the very bright light that had been coming into the living room window. 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:01.440 None of the signatures I was trained to look for are present. 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.159 No strange smells, no craft, no electricity in the air, no strange feelings. 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:09.599 I checked the living room window almost nine feet off the ground. 00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:14.960 How could anyone or anything look at me from that window and disappear in seconds? 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:16.800 So that's how he opens the book. 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:17.519 Yeah. 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.199 Okay, so even the grush thing, right? 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:32.320 So did you you heard Grush on Rogan talking about how these crafts could be from NIH versus NIH battles happening and stuff like that, and that could be used. 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:38.559 Doesn't it sound an awful lot like the Battle of Armageddon, like St. 00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:42.639 Michael the Archangel, and like these historical president? 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:44.159 I mean, you you've watched our show. 00:41:44.320 --> 00:41:46.960 You are you aware of the 1561 Nuremberg instant? 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:47.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:54.400 Like I mean, this is a guy, you got this guy who's like the broadsheet painter for the town of Nuremberg and in the Holy Roman Empire. 00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.480 It's not even Germany at this point, right? 00:41:56.719 --> 00:42:11.519 And he's like, there was this battle in the sky, and there's spheres and there's crosses, and there's like these weird spear-shaped things, and they're all like doing something in the sky, and they're all fighting, and they all fall to the ground, and there's smoke coming up. 00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:13.199 I mean, you can look it up on Wikipedia. 00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:14.880 There's his broadsheet is there. 00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:17.039 Yeah, you can see that's the craziest thing. 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:20.960 There's no explanation, you know, in 1561 for what it could be. 00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:23.280 And he even says, like what it means, God knows. 00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:24.800 We don't know what it is. 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.119 This has been

around a long time. 00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:35.599 A lot of this stuff, like like as Catholics, we do have like the category of apparitions, right? 00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:37.599 Like the category of apparitions. 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:51.440 So, like when you hear some some of the things people are seeing, like if we believe that our Lord can appear or our lady can appear, or even sometimes angels can appear, I wonder what the other ones can do. 00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:54.719 You know, like there might be apparitions of the other side, too. 00:42:54.880 --> 00:43:03.679 That and and maybe because they're not being bound anymore, that ability for them to do those things are more prevalent now than they've been, you know, for a long time. 00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.719 Well, what I always ask myself is to what end? 00:43:07.039 --> 00:43:13.760 Because, you know, I've had enough experience with the actual demonic, and that's not how they play the game. 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:41.360 Like they hide and they do weird stuff and they try to scare you, and they but they don't, they don't, they don't physically manifest and they don't, you know, use technical craft and they don't leave debris, and you know, you know, they they don't do that kind of stuff, like they're they're ephemeral, and so this idea that like I I do think because there are over 400 documented cases of people using the name of Jesus to stop an alien induct abduction, like it's not like that doesn't happen, yeah. 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:57.599 But but but it's like there's this Venn diagram of there's spiritual stuff that we don't know what it is, and maybe it's demons or whatever, and then there's physical stuff that we can't explain because like we're tracking them on radar and they're on thermal, and there's all this kind of stuff, like even in his opening story, right? 00:43:57.760 --> 00:43:59.599 This paranormal activity happening in his sun. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:02.800 His bedroom, and then he physically sees something. 00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:04.239 It's like it is this weird thing. 00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.559 And so in the middle, there's this crossover, and we don't know how to sort it all out. 00:44:08.639 --> 00:44:13.199 And I mean, I've spent the last decade researching this, and I don't have an answer for you. 00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.599 I have more questions than when I started. 00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:20.559 Man, it's it is some weird stuff happening. 00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:21.440 I don't know. 00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:26.320 Like the all right, so because I know Kale goes a little apocalyptic like I do. 00:44:26.559 --> 00:44:28.719 Like shocker, shock. 00:44:29.119 --> 00:44:31.360 Well, this well, we'll get back to apparitions a little bit, right? 00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:38.320 Because I remember Steve, me and you did have one interaction where like were you were you heavy into apparitions in your young in your younger life? 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:43.360 Like we're no,

I mean they were always kind of background, so I grew up super Nova Sordo. 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:44.960 I mean like conservative Nova Sordo. 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:48.559 I mean my family was a wanderer reading family, like that was kind of the thing, right? 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.440 And so we were always looking for the best parishes and doing whatever. 00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:55.840 I didn't become a trad until I was like 26, 27, and I was already married. 00:44:56.079 --> 00:45:02.960 Um, so that that came later, and as I got more into traditionalist Catholicism, I got more into apparitionism. 00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:04.400 And Fatima comes about. 00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.480 But then after a while, I started going, this is a kind of Gnosticism. 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:16.719 Like, like what it becomes for people is I don't have a mechanism to explain all the bad things that are happening in the church in the world. 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:27.119 I need to believe that there's a plan, I need to believe that you know that God is like orchestrating things, and so it must be because Russia wasn't consecrated properly to the Immaculate Heart, or it must be, you know, whatever. 00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:33.119 And so people go way too far down that road, and and it just becomes, like I said, it's a kind of narcissism. 00:45:33.519 --> 00:45:40.639 Um, I and I don't think it's necessarily all bad, you know, but it's like but it but people take it too far, yeah. 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:47.199 And so I've kind of I kind of have a a sort of mid-grade suspicion of all that stuff. 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:50.480 I I I'm like I'm open to it, but I just back up, back up. 00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:55.599 Well, I I I grew up my parents went to Mejigori in the early 90s, right? 00:45:55.920 --> 00:46:14.079 So like I grew up uh especially around the my like my mother thought the world was going to end in 2000 because our lady was appearing in Mejiguri and like Y2K was got like my big three days of darkness people like I remember I had a girlfriend in high school, her family was three days of darkness prepping, right? 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:19.440 And I was like, What is I was going with them to like Sam's Club to buy water and supplies and all this stuff? 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:20.880 Like, what is going on? 00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.519 That's the Catholic version of the rapture, by the way. 00:46:23.840 --> 00:46:27.119 Of course, like of course the three days of darkness is the Catholic version of the rapture. 00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:30.559 It's like, well, God's going to spare me because I have these magic candles. 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.880 By the way, if those are the only things that light, how do you how do you light them? 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:37.599 How are you gonna light them? 00:46:39.119 --> 00:47:03.840 Details, so so like I grew up in that environment where it like apparitions were like so prevalent, and my that's my brother lost his faith because

of it because when that didn't happen in the year 2000, then he winds up going to college, and in first year of college, they give him, you know, um, they start hitting them with like um uh situational ethics in in you know philosophy 101, and it just sent them down a dark road. 00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:05.840 My brother never came back to the church, yeah. 00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:16.239 I I manage to have a more balanced look on all that stuff, but I I do think like the apparitions I have the same, I have like an allergy to it too. 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:26.000 Like I think people obsess on that stuff, but I I I feel like this is the stuff we're talking about is is apparitions for the secular world. 00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.039 Like, I I don't know. 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:28.800 That's that's what it's it's what it feels like. 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.960 It feels like well, there's I I think it taps into the same human impulse, yeah. 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:42.719 And we all, I mean, look, even now in in the secular age that we live in, it's like 83% of Americans self-identify as believing in some kind of higher power. 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:48.719 Like we're a religious species, we just are, and we always have been. 00:47:48.800 --> 00:48:02.800 And whether, you know, I I know you're not a big fan of evolution, but it's like whether that's a benefit of evolutionary psychology where you believe that there's somebody up there looking out for you, and so you survive circumstances that you wouldn't otherwise because you have hope, and then that gene gets passed on to your kids. 00:48:02.880 --> 00:48:08.960 I don't know how it works, but even in a secular world, people still believe in this stuff, yeah. 00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:17.760 So there's something there or or the things we're talking about now existed back then, right? 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:25.039 And people were encountering things like yeah, the oracle of Delphi actually did give oracles, you know. 00:48:25.119 --> 00:48:30.320 Yeah, yeah, or like like it was like like like or you're looking at like Zeus was real. 00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:37.519 Well, how interesting is it that Dave Grush talking about the video he saw of the alien bodies, compared them to the Greek gods? 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:38.800 To the Greek gods, right? 00:48:38.880 --> 00:48:42.320 Because right, and he's Catholic, and he, yeah, yeah. 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.320 I actually think he's pretty devout, like yeah, but but that's his comparison. 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:48.400 There's some there's something interesting that happened. 00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:58.639 Like, I think it was when the um uh do you remember what the heck was that doc that the series on Netflix where the guy went and started looking at all the ancient civilizations and stuff? 00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.519 Uh um ancient apocalypse, Graham Hancock, yeah. 00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:02.559 Graham Hancock, right? 00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:16.480 And it was he in

the first one, he was looking at something in Mexico and something in like China, but whatever it was, they were like worlds apart these things, but the structure was identical, yeah. 00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:17.440 Yeah, you know what I mean? 00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:24.559 So it's like you have this identical pyramid in South America and then also on the Beckley Tepe is one of his big ones. 00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:31.039 I think it's in Turkey now, like modern day Turkey, and like there's but but but he finds these parallels all over the world, yeah. 00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:36.960 So so I'm saying, okay, why would these structures be on the opposite ends of the world, but they look the same? 00:49:37.119 --> 00:49:44.000 It's like maybe because like the gods are real and they're building temples to these gods, right? 00:49:44.079 --> 00:50:06.880 That and that, so you know, Zeus is the same as Jupiter, and it's just you know it's a different culture, and they express it with a different name and a different thing, but maybe these gods are real, and I think that like realizing that Zeus was real and and realizing that all the Greek gods were real, because I think you it might have been Tom Holland that made me think about this too, right? 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:14.239 Like, you you because when I remember going through Greek mythology as a kid and looking at it and going, How could these people believe something so dumb? 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:25.679 And then my teacher wrote out my teacher wrote out the apostles creed on on the chalkboard, and he wrote, I believe in Zeus, the Father Almighty, creator of heaven and earth, and in his only son Hercules. 00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:29.599 And like he wrote the whole thing out, and he was like, Oh, how do they believe something so stupid, huh? 00:50:29.760 --> 00:50:45.119 Right, right, yeah, and it like flipped me out, and I was like, Oh my goodness, wait, and it's well I mean, look, this is one of the things that I always come back to when it comes to the like the pushback that that people have on all of this discussion of uh NHI and UAP and everything, and it's like, Well, where's the evidence? 00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.280 I'm like, Where's the evidence for anybody's religious belief? 00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:50.800 It's all based on human testimony, that's where we get it from. 00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:59.360 Like most of us never have a direct experience of the divine in some miraculous way, like we are handed a story and we believe it. 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:08.880 I think one of the greatest proofs of Christianity is the fact that these gods did exist, and Christianity spreads, right? 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:19.360 Like, you you see people's like the desire to overturn Christianity so bad that all this other stuff is popping up, like that impulse had to always be there. 00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:27.119 Like the idea that these Romans were having these orgies and having this great time, and then all of a sudden

it's like, no, the the guy in Rome says I can't. 00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:27.840 That's not what happened. 00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:37.760 It's like the Holy Spirit covered the earth and subdued men and going, they went from having two wives and five concubines to taking one wife. 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:48.400 It's like there's something so supernatural about that that I can't find any other explanation than the Holy Spirit, like God's spirit covers the earth and subdues men. 00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:53.840 And for some reason, that spirit is receding now, and these other gods are returning, in my opinion. 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:59.840 Well, you know, you need to, I think it's important, you know, when you think of the ancient world, and well, we can talk about Rome. 00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:04.320 I think Rome's a little bit closer to us, and therefore we can kind of make a little more sense out of it. 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:08.400 But you know, if you look at like what were they doing in the Colosseum, right? 00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:13.280 If you read the testimonies of the martyr, the martyrs, right? 00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:23.760 What one of the reasons why Christians got in trouble, it wasn't just a matter that they wouldn't, you know, sprinkle a little incense, you know, um, at the temple of Artemis or what have you, right? 00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:35.280 One of the what they would do in the in the um Colosseum is that they would they would reenact um uh these sort of mythological structures and mythological stories. 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:38.639 And so I think you really have to understand what they were doing in the Colosseum. 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:41.119 We think of it as just sort of bread and circuses, right? 00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:46.719 We think of it as just kind of entertainment, you know, like that you know, we would go to the giants game or something like that. 00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:51.039 Um, but what they were doing was was fundamentally liturgical, right? 00:52:51.119 --> 00:53:06.480 That it was a way of the population to participate in a kind of, for us, very bizarre public liturgy in which they were they were quite literally making the gods real. 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:11.199 They were instantiating the gods by having people play dress up, right? 00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:18.239 And so the Christians refused to play dress up in their in their liturgy at the Colosseum. 00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:23.440 So they just started, you know, making games of killing them for sport, right? 00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.840 But the you know, that that the the ancient world was incredibly liturgical. 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.679 And again, I want to be careful, of course. 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:38.719 I don't mean that's the same thing as the mass, of course it's not, but but the but the but the substrate of like what do we do like when we show up to mass on Sundays, right? 00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.119 We are you're embodying the myth, right? 00:53:41.360

--> 00:53:43.440 Right, we're instantiating the myth, right? 00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:46.639 Again, and again, not myth, not myth in like long. 00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:48.159 Right, please understand me. 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:55.519 And I and I we did talk about this the last episode, but like myth is like this story that we live in and through, right? 00:53:55.679 --> 00:54:07.679 And so, like so we of course live in and through the story of of Jesus, you know, being born in a manger, um, having a public ministry, he's you know, his passion, death, and his resurrection, right? 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:15.199 And so what we are doing is we are we are to coming together to make that real, do this in remembrance of me. 00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:22.159 And remembrance means to pull it back together again, that which is spread, that which is dispersed, to sort of pull back again. 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:27.360 So it's this this act of memoria is a real making endeavor. 00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:32.320 And so to Steve, to your point, this is just what we do as human beings. 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.199 You know, it's like, why do we have birthday celebrations? 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:42.880 You know, why do we have these rituals where we light candles on top of a frosted cake and blow them out, make a wish, and you know, why do we do the wave in a baseball game? 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.599 Why do we like it? 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:45.920 Right. 00:54:46.000 --> 00:55:03.760 So you were you were being sort of caught up, and so I think if we see, you know, so now I'm gonna you know pop us over to Silicon Valley, you know, what they are doing is they are just finding a new myth which just happens to make them the gods in this new transhumanist. 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.199 Or the fashioners of the gods, right, right, right, right, right, right. 00:55:07.760 --> 00:55:10.880 The new golden calf, as it were, although this one talks and it does. 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:12.559 Right, right, right, right, right. 00:55:12.719 --> 00:55:37.760 But but but but but I would say this, you know, um and Steve, I think I referenced this, I don't know, a couple episodes ago, but you know, um, if you you know, even even like there's this really um relatively famous in the sort of the evangelical, post-evangelical world, this guy named Bart Ehrman, and he's kind of um uh he's he's a kind of a famous modernist, you know, amongst the Protestant circles. 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:59.280 And even his analysis of early Christianity is that he basically says, yeah, Christianity um conquered the world because it worked, like the miracles were real, like there was this felt sense that something real was going on, like and this sounds kind of funny, but like it worked better than Zeus, it worked better than Artemis. 00:55:59.679 --> 00:56:08.000 Well, because it wasn't it the case, you know, in the Coliseum and in other places that they would, you know, they would hold a triumph or whatever,

and they would do it, you know, for the rains because there was a drought, or right. 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.199 And so they thought that the outcome of those battles was indicative of the gods' favor. 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.119 Yeah, the show, yeah, exactly, exactly. 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:21.519 And so, you know, but I mean, and we have prayers about weather and about crops and all that kind of stuff. 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:23.920 I mean, they're ancient, people don't use them as much anymore. 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:30.880 Uh you'll see them bust them out if there's like a bad hurricane or something like that, and people will be like, hey, there's this old prayer, you know. 00:56:31.039 --> 00:56:32.400 But I mean, it's kind of similar. 00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:36.320 So it's interesting to say, well, well, those ones worked better than you know the ones that we did. 00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:40.400 Yeah, yeah, but wait, but what like getting into myth, like that. 00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:46.880 So I it's Steve, it's not that I disagree with the science of evolution, it's that I see evolution as a creation myth. 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:52.400 And it because there's never been a civilization that didn't have a creation myth, including us. 00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:57.599 Like, we need to there's something interesting about human beings, we need to know where we came from. 00:56:57.760 --> 00:57:03.039 So every single human civilization that's ever existed had some kind of a creation myth. 00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:26.400 And talking about these weather dances and all that, evolution just seems like the creation myth of of the atheist, and then science is the explanation for like where they'll they'll explain it in a way where it's like, well, these primitive humans didn't understand the cumulus clouds form, and that's what kind of, but it's but like maybe maybe like those gods did deliver rain. 00:57:26.559 --> 00:57:50.960 So I don't know, like like you know, there is I'm not denying science, like of course that's why rain occurs, and of course these things happen, but I think to a degree, modern humans forget that like God does send things as punishment at times, and like we've we've stopped worshiping our God in the West, and He has sent Islam in as a punishment throughout Europe, like Europe is formally. 00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:54.559 I mean, that was Islam is what ended Arianism in the West. 00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:01.440 Yeah, so it's why it's why Arianism lasted longer in the East, because the West was like, we don't have time for this anymore. 00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:05.599 I got no time, we gotta deal with these jackasses, you know. 00:58:06.559 --> 00:58:09.679 Um, before we go to the other side, I want to play that other AI. 00:58:09.760 --> 00:58:18.079 The the the clip I post I tweeted today, Rob, because I want to talk because you guys talked about AI uh the bottlenecking in in an episode. 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:23.360 And I want to, I wanna talk, I want to we'll we'll play the clip real quick and then we'll kind of get into it a little. 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:24.800 This was bizarre to me. 00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:37.440 Black watch new reporting from Axios reveals that leaders for AI companies like OpenAI and Anthropic are behind the scenes planning for any fallout scenarios should a significant AI cyber attack happen. 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:41.599 So let's go live now to Axios tech policy reporter Maria Curie. 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:43.760 So, Maria, let's talk about this reporting. 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:45.360 This is your reporting. 00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:49.760 What kind of threat are tech executives anticipating or even planning for? 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:52.800 And what are they doing specifically to prepare? 00:58:53.760 --> 00:59:16.960 So the uh top officials at these companies in the reporting are essentially predicting that in the next six to 12 months there is going to be a catastrophic event, a significant AI event, likely a cybersecurity attack that leads to water or power or the internet being shut off, impacting large swaths of people. 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:24.079 And they're essentially preparing by running these um test uh testing scenarios, red teaming scenarios. 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:32.559 And this is very common among the tech companies, companies that handle sensitive technologies, critical infrastructure companies, and even the Pentagon. 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:38.800 But what is really unique and different about what we're observing here is that these tech officials think it's inevitable. 00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:42.719 They think it's definitely going to be happening in the near term. 00:59:42.880 --> 00:59:59.199 And so, in addition to the red teaming exercises that they are conducting, they are also working on overtime to educate members of Congress and to get Washington um to react and to impose guardrails regulations on the industry. 00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:05.039 But it's difficult to know exactly which regulations uh will work in this scenario. 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:12.159 Um, and they don't anticipate that lawmakers will react appropriately until after there's some sort of catastrophic event. 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:14.079 So we look so okay. 01:00:14.159 --> 01:00:20.400 So this kind of goes to what you were talking about before, Steve, where they're going to lock everything up behind us, right? 01:00:20.480 --> 01:00:25.199 So it seems like they want lawmakers to contain this thing. 01:00:25.440 --> 01:00:31.920 And since lawmakers are not paying attention, it it kind of you guys talked about the pandemic last episode because you're talking about the outbreak in Russia. 01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:36.079 We know before before COVID hit, there was that event 201 thing, right? 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:40.880 And they had the it's like, oh, we're planning for this thing, and then they all just in case, Anthony. 01:00:40.960 --> 01:00:43.199 Just in case, just

in case, just in case. 01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:47.840 But we also know Klaus Schwab had another one of those events where he talked about a cyber pandemic, right? 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:59.840 It's this seems like such a psyop to me that they want to happen and they're gonna make damn sure it happens, or they just need to do it to get insurance coverage. 01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:06.559 I think every business needs to prepare, you know, before they'll get cyber coverage and stuff like that. 01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:08.559 It's pretty copper standard. 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:14.239 So I have kind of a more cynical take on this, partially, seriously, yes, more than me. 01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:15.119 This is great. 01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:16.000 This is great. 01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.199 Okay, um, there are multiple things in play here, right? 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:22.719 So, yeah, you have the idea of regulatory capture, you know. 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:39.920 You these guys are investing untold billions in developing frontier models, and then what comes along after that are these guys with open weight models, they distill the frontier models, they figure out how they work, and they sell basically the same thing. 01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:44.400 It's like you know, 80, 90 is good, but it's like a fraction of the price, right? 01:01:44.880 --> 01:01:49.599 And so they're losing astronomical amounts of money on developing this stuff. 01:01:49.679 --> 01:02:00.719 So if they can slow down AI for everybody, you know, that actually helps them to recoup more of their costs because they want to sell subscriptions, it's it's like drug companies and generics, yeah. 01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:01.119 Exactly. 01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:02.159 That's right, that's right. 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:10.559 And so, you know, but the ability for these models to be reverse engineered by other models is just it's something we've never had before. 01:02:10.800 --> 01:02:14.079 Um, and so that's one potential explanation. 01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:24.159 Another thing is though, you know, the episode that Cale and I did on effective altruism and this acronym Tescreol, yeah, which is a weird acronym. 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:28.800 I mean, you want to go into conspiracy theory land that's like as bad as the Masons. 01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:29.679 Yeah. 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:43.679 Uh, you know, TESCRIOL stands for transhumanism, extropianism, singular, singulitarianism, cosmic, rationalism, effective altruism, and long-termism. 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:46.960 And these are all variations on this same theme. 01:02:47.519 --> 01:02:49.679 These guys are consequentialists. 01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:52.239 Um, you know, and as you know, my friend Dr. 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:55.039 Mike Sarilla used to always say, consequentialism is a heresy, right? 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:56.639 Because it's ends justify the means. 01:02:56.719 --> 01:03:02.559 It's like we want to get to a certain outcome, and we don't care you know what we have to do to get there, right? 01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:11.280 These guys all believe in in this idea of quantification of morality, right? 01:03:11.440 --> 01:03:18.159 And so you've probably seen, Anthony, like these guys who are like, there are more insects in the world than there are people. 01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:21.280 And if you add up all the insects suffering, it's more than the humans suffering. 01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.079 And they're like, but they really think this stuff, right? 01:03:24.239 --> 01:03:28.559 They also calculate morality based on it's a constant trolley problem, right? 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:44.079 So if you have, if I if I have to kill a thousand people today to sell to save 10 million hypothetical people in the future, I'm gonna kill the thousand people because those 10 million that may never even exist, in my mind, those are real because I'm doing the math and the math maths, right? 01:03:44.239 --> 01:03:56.079 And and so this is the ideology that sort of forms these guys, and it's dark, it's it's so much darker than I thought it was before we went down that rabbit hole. 01:03:56.159 --> 01:04:06.480 Like I knew they were weird, and so I'm watching Eric Weinstein last night because I'm watching this like like the the the the least weird part about them are all the strange sex things, right? 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:11.599 Yeah, I would argue that yeah, that's and the sex things are really weird, really weird, really bizarre, right? 01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:16.400 So, like it that's the least weird part of these maniacs. 01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:22.079 But Cale, tell me, I mean, because you watched this the same interview, like Eric was talking about he knows Sam personally, yeah. 01:04:22.480 --> 01:04:22.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:30.239 He knows Dario personally, and he and like and about Dario in particular, you know, he said he trusts Sam more, which I thought was interesting. 01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:31.360 Wild, yeah, wild. 01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:39.840 He also said that he thinks that Sam is capable of being ruthless in a way that he doesn't want to be, which is interesting because ruthless is the word we've used to describe them. 01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:50.480 But he said that Dario, he thinks that he's being ethical in a weird kind of way, like he's really committed to morality, but in a weird kind of way, right? 01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.280 Because this is their version of morality, right? 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:58.559 And so what these guys all think is let's imagine that they're building Frankenstein instead, right? 01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:09.599 They're all working on Frankenstein's monster, and then they go on the news and they're like, Frankenstein's monster is super scary, and we can't let him get out, and you need to stop us from letting Frankenstein's monster get out. 01:05:09.760 --> 01:05:10.800 And you're like, Well, what do you mean? 01:05:10.960 -->

01:05:13.280 Like, you're building Frankenstein, right? 01:05:13.440 --> 01:05:20.159 And they're like, But the thing is, someone's gonna build Frankenstein, and if it's not us, it's gonna be somebody less responsible than we are. 01:05:20.320 --> 01:05:22.159 We're moral, we're ethical. 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:30.239 We need to make sure that we're the ones building Frankenstein so that we can mitigate the damage and only channel the best aspects of what he can do. 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.960 He's gonna be a super soldier, he's gonna be able to do all these things. 01:05:33.119 --> 01:05:34.880 We need to channel him where he needs to go. 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:36.800 That's the way they look at AI. 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:49.599 They are genuinely terrified of the thing that they are creating because if they create it the wrong way, they believe it will wipe out the human race before they can finish their transition to creating a post human utopia. 01:05:49.679 --> 01:05:56.320 They don't care if the human race gets wiped out, they care if it gets wiped out before they make our post human successors, right? 01:05:56.480 --> 01:05:59.599 You know, where we merge with the machines and we create some new race of super. 01:06:00.320 --> 01:09:14.640 beings that's what they think yeah it's it's kind of you guys talked about this on the on the i i don't know if it was the last episode but it about how the the second the first like microchip was created it was almost like they were starting to talk about how ai is inevitable yeah like this is inevitable like it's coming and talk about this you know i mean that's my personal belief and cale and i have kind of debated this over the last couple of years but i'm like once you went down this road like have you ever played you know a game a computer game like a real-time strategy game with a tech tree and like you have to unlock certain technologies to get to the next technology but like once you unlock that one pivotal technology that whole tech tree opens up and you're gonna go down that road if you want to win the game like to me that's this like once we figured out how to make computers we were always gonna make computers that were smarter than us because why would we stop like the benefits are so huge why would we stop well that that's kind of well like couldn't this have happened before though like that's that's kind of like I'm not yeah I I know what you're gonna yeah I I think this could have happened before like when we're talking about you see all the stuff they're talking about how like it with ancient civilizations and we see the pyramids and we see all these ancient structures and it's like maybe this happened one time before in human well I mean isn't that graham Hancock's theory right yeah like I I kind of it's not that they were all worshiping the same god it's that there was some you know good to go to Hitchborne's point some antideluvian civilization that was advanced and they were the ones who like taught them how to build all this stuff or they built it themselves and then they got wiped out you know because something that happened and that's why he talks about why is there Australasian DNA in the rainforest in South America like that doesn't make any sense how did that get there there was no you guys have to hear you got to hear Hitchwood's whole theory he talks about like how oh man isn't it's super interesting how the whole world like uh the way the flood happens it it's what splits the continents like the continents were all together what you what was that what Pangea Pangea and the flood is what causes the continents to actually separate and that's why these things are all over the place it's a really interesting theory it's not you know it's it's him just like going off the deep end i we had such a fun time with it I am completely allergic to young earth creationism and all that kind of stuff but but I and and I love hitchburn is a great guy I love him as a person I disagree with him strongly on a lot of I'm sure I'm sure it's just it was just an interesting theory but I know it kind of clicked a few things in my head to think that maybe there was some a super advanced civilization that existed and maybe even some of the things we're seeing today because they talk about it the way they talk about it is these things have been here for way longer than us they talk they even talk like they'll even say oh they're us from the future they'll say like they say weird things about it they don't they don't ever say they're aliens from another planet well what I what I think I've watched so much testimony I don't think that they are excluding that I think that they are there's definitely something that they seem to suspect and I want to know what that is but I think that they're like you know we're just not sure and so we don't want to put a label on it because that label could be wrong. 01:09:14.880 --> 01:10:00.159 Yeah but but I mean they are very very reticent to call them extraterrestrials you know most of most of the whistleblowers yeah I have noticed that too one of the one of the most interesting things you guys talked about was this bottlenecking that's coming right like where all of these guys are talking about this post advanced civilization that's going to come but it's like they really do think this chaos period is going to come for if you want to get the Star Trek you have to go through this insane period where humanity's on the cusp of total destruction but then in the after effect which seems to be like why these guys are all building these bunkers in and stuff like that right but that there is something coming down the pike and it doesn't seem like it's very far off. 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:16.079 I don't think any of them you know and I'll include Elon here who's sort of his own category I mean he buys into some of their philosophy but not a lot of it I don't think he actually seems like as weird as he is I think

he actually does care about the continuity of the human race. 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:36.960 And so that's interesting because I don't think they do they do in the short term but not in the long term um but but but they just you know the the like there's this there's this period of transition that's going to happen where we don't know how to live the way this stuff is going to force us to live. 01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:41.600 I mean we we already know that there's at least 200 000 layoffs in this country because of AI. 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:55.439 We don't know how many jobs haven't been created because one guy is now doing six people's jobs with the help of AI that's right you know yeah I mean you know like and all my friends who are in tech they all talk about it. 01:10:55.520 --> 01:11:42.079 I mean they're like I'm I'm I'm doing more work than ever before but with fewer people I mean it's a thing that's happening and so there's gonna be this weird interstitial period where it's like we don't know how to to live like this I mean already the employment situation is terrible for especially for guys our age like it's can i can I can I can I just jump in for a second because I couldn't think of a single practical application for me to use ai until the last episode when you were talking about how you use it to organize your show like when you guys do your show right yeah because I I was trying to explain this to to my wife like when when I'm when Rob and I are going to do an episode like I have to come up with a narrative for the whole episode. 01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:52.880 Like I have to actually like I may throw links to Rob and say this is what we're gonna talk about tonight but I have to have a narrative structure for the episode so that it sounds coherent and people want to continue listening to it. 01:11:53.039 --> 01:12:07.359 And the way you describe like what you've been using it for it's like you have you basically are using it to to log all of your notes but then you'll ask it to put it in a narrative structure for you and I'm like I want to I want to do a class with Steve's to tell you how to do it. 01:12:07.520 --> 01:12:33.920 Yeah I mean I'm still learning how to do it maybe I did it again today just to prep for this show because I was like I want I I have so much in my head and and it becomes unclear when I have to reference all these things that I have bouncing around in there right and so what what I what I and the the AI the AI I use actually already does all that and I have to tell it not to because you make all the decisions. 01:12:42.079 --> 01:15:25.119 The thing is there is an art to look there isn't art to what we're doing right like you can you can't just stick and because I do check out other shows and I'm baffled by how bad some of them are and like people that are in this arena and I'm just like man these guys suck how do any how does anybody listen to this because there is an art to first off conversation being interesting telling a story all that stuff really does take a little something and but there's sometimes I have like 87 ideas and I don't know how to structure them into a narrative you know and so a normal format for a long form podcast is hey I I know a little bit about a lot of things but you're an expert come on and educate me right and so what we do is we have this ongoing sort of meta serial conversation where like you know previous episodes tie into the new episode and we we haven't even done any guests yet and you know we've talked about doing it we've had we've actually had people tell us don't be too much in a hurry to get guests because the thing of you guys figuring it out together is where the magic is right yeah but it's like but that means I have to know a lot of things and I don't have a lot of time to prepare and so it becomes a force multiplier where I'm like okay I know the general ideas so I give it to AI and I'm like give me this give me this give me this it gives it to me and I'm like nope add there's data missing here go look this up there's this other thing I just remembered and then it'll give me an outline I'm like okay now break this down like for this show I was like break down break this down into the AI segment and then to the UAP segment I need bullet points I need to be able to read it when I'm on camera because I'm having a conversation I don't have time to read some discursive like long-winded AI paragraph about something I need a bullet point I need talking points that I can read you you have grockbot on your computer and you're able to communicate with your computer with grok bot on your computer from your phone like that and and chat GPT although it doesn't work as well now chat is better for semantics stuff I would use chat for show prep I use grok for brute force tasks like you know remind me about or you know for example I you I don't know how it works with StreamYard but Riverside is what we record in Riverside does its own AI suggested shorts you know these little nine by 16 and they suck like they're okay but I have to go in and I have to say okay you cut off the dialogue here we need to go back three paragraphs and put this line in in order to give context but once I have the shorts done I can give the folder to grockbot and say I want you to post these on my ex account two a day look at my analytics figure out when the best time is to post them give a caption give a caption for each one and then like it was doing them too short and I was like no they need to be longer and it will literally post them for me while I'm doing something else. 01:15:25.359 --> 01:16:05.920 Yeah no dude you have to teach a class on this Anthony's thinking how do we get grok to understand how to troll Protestants what time to troll you're gonna convert groc single handedly you will convert groc bot this is like like like for I'm giving you guys ideas for your um for your um uh like after you're you guys are developing like a

community on the side like Kale should be teaching courses on on you know literature and you could be teaching ai course because I would literally sit and learn how to do some of this because I like I'm just like I'm a boomer with technology like I really do suck at all of it. 01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:20.239 It's why like I I've made Rob join the show with me the the first time we don't have one I need I need a beam on my show when I call him that yeah like when you're a tech native I mean it's weird you know and the thing is I've never prompt engineered or anything like that. 01:16:20.399 --> 01:16:22.079 I just talk to it like a person. 01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:22.960 That's what I do. 01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:25.359 I'm like this is what I need tell me how I get there. 01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:39.119 And there's a lot of iteration there's a lot of trial and error but then when we get there I'm like okay keep doing that and it does and what I love about Grockbot is it's it is agentic in the sense that it like I don't have to prompt it. 01:16:39.359 --> 01:17:03.920 It can schedule basically cron jobs where it's like okay on a timer I will check this thing I will do that thing I will make sure I will I will look at your analytics I will know when to post and then I will send you an update saying I have posted the clip here's the link so I can be in my car somewhere else and I get a notification and I look and it's like hey I posted this to X for you and I look and it's there and the caption's there and it's like I didn't have to do that. 01:17:04.079 --> 01:17:23.680 That saves me easily 15 hours a week I mean probably I don't know the the trailer that you made for your last episode was phenomenal was that nuts it it put a phenomenal day so Rob he just like loaded the the whole episode in and he just said cut a trailer for that episode it was like it was like a movie trailer it was very good. 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:48.560 Yeah so I you know I'm learning the way that it works and it's funny because I feel like I feel like a neophyte like I'm just figuring out how to actually make it productive and I've had it try to work with editing because you know there are these MCP servers where the the eye can interface with the Riverside it can interface with DaVinci Resolve which is what I use to to edit uh when I have to do a show myself and it's like but then I have it try to edit a cold open oh it's garbage. 01:17:49.039 --> 01:18:04.319 But what I can do is say go through the transcript and pull me a dozen one liners that would be perfect to hook people in with curiosity and then give me the timestamps for those and if you can pull those clips from the original recording and I'll edit them together. 01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:10.000 So it's a it's a lot more of a a collaboration than a just hand it off but I think it's gonna get better as we go. 01:18:10.479 --> 01:18:28.159 For me the comp and it's only a it's only a comparison it's not apples to apples here but

it's like you know think about what a maestro organist can do with that machine right you know it's you know the organ doesn't play itself. 01:18:28.239 --> 01:18:48.479 I mean one of those like massive pipe organs at one of those big churches like it's not going to play itself right but in the right hands the magic that can happen you know with with this hyper talented person working you know through his fingers and into this this machine you know amazing things can happen. 01:18:48.560 --> 01:20:05.840 Like you can't take away the organist yes we can we all know what a player piano is but but nobody's gonna confuse a player piano for nobody should uh confuse a player piano for you know a a real organist or a real musician so I don't know I I think that that's good case that's a good segue because I want to talk about AI substacks and I want to talk about because I like we're gonna do that on the next side but before we go I want everybody that watches our show go subscribe to MT um it's monitoring the situation MTS please um the thing is like sometimes they don't hit their groove for an hour like your last episode could have been two separate totally separate episodes and it's like sit through a full episode guys like sit through a full episode let these guys hit because sometimes they just they hit flow you gotta let us cook because it's yeah it's and that and it's kind of like you know you know you make a good like pasta sauce a good sauce yeah yeah right it's not as good as it is the next day it takes it takes a it's that's actually a hundred percent true my wife's sauce is always better the second day you've got to let the melange kind of happen the flavors have to work together and it's like so we start out and we've got ideas but then it's like it's not until everything starts getting blended and you're like you're mixing stuff in and you're asking your ancestors how much garlic do I add and like that's how you get there. 01:20:06.000 --> 01:23:28.560 Yeah you you you guys are you guys are awesome broadcasters like it's just I I almost forget that I'm watching like I'll I've I've watched a few episodes where I was just like I wish I was sitting in on this conversation I just have so many things that I want to say right now so yeah I cannot I can't plug these guys enough the thing is it's yeah Paul's an Indian Indian viewer oh I still I still want that rosary anthony all right i i had some great recommendations for those did you go through and choose your favorite ant like you said and yeah and well while we're on the top of the rosaries we're going to we're going to plug our our sponsors real quick so go to nicknack.com use code 8025 for 25 off your first purchase use code ab10 for 10 off all subsequent purchases we love knick knacks uh i think we're gonna send knick knacks to kale because they won't ship them to him in rhode island and wait i've never seen them where are these things oh they're they're they're nicotine lozenges so 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mean it's a lie yes it's a lie exactly exactly yeah it's a lie like if i if i want to if i want to read uh the if i care what the yet or the robot thinks i'll ask it yeah i don't i don't know i don't yeah so all right so we're gonna go over the and then also i want to talk to steve about how he really never fit in the trad movement like even though he was running the he was running the most uh he was running the biggest tradition for a while well and and and and i'm gonna shout out my friend steve here like he created the space online yeah for sure for sure like for for those for the newer guys who don't know what one peter five was like we're gonna i want to talk about the one peter five lore i want to talk about trading i want to talk about like the the the virtue signaling amongst catholic content creators we won't we won't mention people in specifics maybe we'll see maybe we're gonna go to the other side we're gonna yeah we're gonna do some locals drama so if you guys want to join 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