النص الكامل لحلقة Code Blue on Death Row: When Executions Go Wrong

00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:58.960 But before we get into it, so is it time for our drink check drink check? 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:05.199 So for today's drink check, we are drinking apples. 00:04:07.039 --> 00:04:07.360 Yes. 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:10.560 It's so good made in the instant pot. 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:12.080 This is I don't even know. 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:17.519 I hadn't even said it out loud to Megan, but I was like, in my brain, I was like, I'm so craving this. 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:21.360 And then we then I showed up and Megan had it ready. 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:23.279 And I was like, How did she know? 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:24.399 Burn it alive. 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:26.959 I mean, well, the apples were about to go bad, so I had to do it. 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.800 Although I will say that I mixed it up with a little of Kate's favorite wild turkey 101. 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:35.839 And Colleen was Colleen was like, didn't you have caramel vodka last year? 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:37.519 That was I do. 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:38.160 It's downstairs. 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:39.920 Caramel vodka. 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:42.639 This is fantastic what I'm bringing right now. 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:44.480 But I just remember the caramel vodka. 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:45.360 That took it to another level. 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:45.680 Yeah. 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:50.879 Well, I have some caramel vodka downstairs, and there's probably another batch of hot apple cider. 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:51.680 So we'll do that. 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:52.399 Heck yeah. 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.000 We'll do that later this week. 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:56.319 Cheers! And let's get into it. 00:04:56.560 --> 00:05:11.519 Disclaimer: the views, opinions, and commentary expressed on this podcast are those of the hosts and guests, and do not represent the view or opinions of our employers, organizations, or professional affiliations. 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:17.680 Colleen. 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:18.319 Yes. 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:20.160 Picture this. 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:20.720 Okay. 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:23.759 A woman has been sentenced to death. 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:28.079 She is strapped to the gurney at Riverbend Maximum Security Institution. 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:30.959 She has already given what she believes are her final words. 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.120 The lethal injection begins. 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.240 And then the first dose doesn't kill her. 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:37.600 So they administer another. 00:05:38.079 --> 00:05:39.680 And she still doesn't die. 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:47.199 This is exactly what happened to Krista Pike, who, following two injections of pentobarbital, remained alive and could be heard breathing and snoring. 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.600 She was eventually removed from the prison by ambulance. 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:57.759 So tonight we're talking about Krista Pike, the convicted murderer who became one of the most infamous women on American Death Row and last week survived her own execution. 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.319 Isn't she the second woman on death row? 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.079 I'm pretty sure she was the first one that was sentenced. 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:05.199 Aileen was before. 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:09.199 No, I think the drama is that she was 18 when she committed a crime. 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:10.639 So she's the youngest put on death. 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:11.439 Oh, youngest. 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:12.879 That's what I knew it was. 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:16.160 There are currently 45 women on death row. 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:22.240 But how many have been committed in like so I know Krista didn't die, but how many were actually killed? 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:23.839 Just Aileen, right? 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:24.959 18 women. 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:26.319 Oh, never mind then. 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:26.800 Okay. 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:28.480 Since 1976. 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:33.519 But obviously, if we go back to, you know, you're like the witch troms? 00:06:33.839 --> 00:06:34.079 Yeah. 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:43.920 If we go back to colonial times, uh 576 women have are estimated to have been executed since the first rec recorded instance in 1632. 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.480 So any thoughts before we get into it? 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.040 Well, my immediate thought was they didn't have a good IV. 00:06:51.279 --> 00:06:52.879 Yeah, I feel like I think that's obvious. 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:53.439 We're gonna talk about it. 00:06:53.600 --> 00:06:54.079 I'm confused. 00:06:54.160 --> 00:06:55.600 Why didn't they just give it IM? 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:57.360 Why you gotta put an IV? 00:06:57.519 --> 00:06:59.680 Well, here's my question: like, why couldn't we just get a centralized? 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:09.040 Yo, you're gonna spend all the money on a death row case, you're gonna spend all the money to actually get the paperwork process for death, and you're not gonna get a central line. 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:14.959 Yeah, or get a pick one or something, but we're gonna be using pentobarbital instead of the old combo. 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.319 These are all such good questions that I have in my notes. 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:22.319 So immediately your question is well, why don't we just have a central line? 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:29.519 And then why are we using pentobarb and not the old, the old-fashioned anesthesia, paralytic potassium chloride? 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:31.120 I want to know who put the IV in. 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:38.399 Well, I don't have the exact person because it's all actually very concealed to protect them, which is why they have these curtains. 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:43.839 Like they close the curtains, they do their work, and then when the curtains open, there's no one in there because they don't want anyone they're in another room. 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:46.399 They don't want anyone to

know who put it in. 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:51.199 But I did look into like what kind of certification and what kind of criteria do they make one comment. 00:07:51.279 --> 00:07:51.519 Uh-huh. 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:52.720 I don't want to make light of it. 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.360 You may make many, but to be the one to put the IB in it. 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:56.800 Yeah, that's embarrassing. 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.519 Or maybe not so embarrassing, but like the guilt. 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:01.519 Okay, hold on. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.360 Do you know what she did? 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:05.839 Brutalized a girl. 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.639 She tortured a girl and then killed her. 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:11.199 It I don't give one shit. 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.040 It's like karma's a bit. 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:13.759 I'm with you. 00:08:13.839 --> 00:08:15.759 It would, I would be in embarrassed, Colleen. 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:20.800 If I put in an IV and that was my one job and infiltrated, I'm gonna tell you it was obviously not a Corpsman. 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:21.120 Okay. 00:08:21.279 --> 00:08:21.519 Yeah. 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.079 If that IV was a good IV, she'd be dead. 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:25.680 Well, let me tell you about the IV. 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:27.120 I'm gonna tell you about all of these things. 00:08:27.199 --> 00:08:30.720 But first, let's get into Kate's passionate feelings here. 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:31.040 Yeah. 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.519 I'm gonna tell you who Krista Pike is. 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:39.279 And before she had this failed execution attempt, her execution was already very controversial. 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.080 But we're gonna give you all the facts so you can decide for yourself. 00:08:42.320 --> 00:08:47.919 So Krista Pike was born in 1976 in West Virginia, and she did have a rough childhood. 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:56.159 She was born with fetal alcohol syndrome, and as a toddler, her grandmother's partner sexually abused her like repetitive repeatedly. 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:58.399 She just knew she was gonna have a bad background. 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:06.240 When she started school, a teacher asked the class to draw a picture of what she did at home, and she drew a demonic man with large genitalia. 00:09:06.320 --> 00:09:09.919 And despite teachers reporting the incident, she was not removed from the home. 00:09:10.159 --> 00:09:13.440 Then at age eight, she was raped by a neighbor. 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:18.720 She reported it to her mother, who did not believe her, but she ended up developing an infection at school. 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:20.240 So her teacher reported it. 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.799 That attacker was prosecuted, but he pled to a uh pled guilty to a reduced charge. 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:31.600 At home, she allegedly faced physical abuse and neglect, and she has attempted suicide when she was just 12 years old. 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:43.440 At 15, she

was put on probation for breaking into a community center to steal candy, but violated probation and was sent to a juvenile evaluation center, which I had to look, I was like, is this juvenile detention? 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:45.600 It sounds like it's more short-term than juvenile detention. 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:47.039 You're not supposed to go for very long. 00:09:47.200 --> 00:09:55.759 And it's you get sort of like a lot of clinical testing and behavioral assessments and interviews to determine why a youth is acting out and develop a plan to keep them out of, you know, oh, the system. 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:00.000 Again, it's usually a pretty short stay, but and you get released based on a point system. 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.200 So you earn points for good behavior, you lose points for bad behavior. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.360 She ended up staying for 16 months because she kept losing points for infractions. 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:08.639 So that was like very uncommon. 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:10.080 It's a very long stay. 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.159 She was released at the age of 17 in March of 1993. 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.080 And by then she had earned her GED. 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:22.320 She was like a teacher's assistant in the program, and she entered the Knoxville job corps hoping to become a nurse. 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:29.440 It was around this time that she was also reportedly raped again by a stranger on the side of the road, and he was never caught. 00:10:29.600 --> 00:10:36.480 While in the job corps, she met boyfriend Tederrill Ship, as well as Colleen Slemmer. 00:10:36.720 --> 00:10:44.159 So Krista Pike believed that 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer was interested in her boyfriend, 17-year-old Tederyl Ship. 00:10:44.399 --> 00:10:57.440 On January 12th, 1985, with the help of friend Shidola Peterson, Krista and Tadaryl lured Colleen to a park near the UT campus and beat and tortured her, with Pike delivering the final fatal blow. 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:04.399 Slemmer was beaten, cut with a box cutter, and tortured for 30 minutes before being killed. 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:06.080 Also with the butcher's knife. 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:11.279 A pentagram was carved into her body, which Ship eventually admitted to being responsible for. 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.399 Pike took a fragment of the victim's skull. 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:18.080 The next morning, two UT employees found the body and called police. 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:23.840 In the meantime, Krista was bragging to her job core classmates about what she had done and showing off the piece of skull. 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:25.519 Showed it off like a trophy. 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:31.120 Yes, her life is up until the point before she decided to take someone's life. 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.440 That is very sad and very unfortunate. 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.879 But you can choose to make better decisions. 00:11:39.120 --> 00:11:45.840 The reason why she killed someone is because she thought that girl liked her boyfriend. 00:11:46.080 --> 00:11:48.000 That's a good reason to kill somebody. 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.000 She's clearly not competent. 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:53.200 Well, so I'm in the middle, I'm kind of in the middle of you two here. 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:55.120 I think she had a terrible upbringing. 00:11:55.200 --> 00:12:02.559 And this is kind of what starts making her lawyers are arguing all these facts is like what makes her eventual her eventual sentencing controversial. 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:09.519 Uh and she was a juvenile, but I also am and I'm like, but she seems to lack any way she's competent. 00:12:10.320 --> 00:12:17.840 But the problem is that she doesn't like suddenly turn it around as as she hits 26 in that frontal lobe development. 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:18.080 Okay. 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:25.679 So because Chris is out there bragging and showing off this piece of skull, she gets arrested within 36 hours. 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.960 So Pike, Ship, and Peterson all arrested. 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:33.279 Peterson received six years probation in exchange for testimony. 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:39.200 So they charged her with accessory after the fact, and she testified against both Pike and Ship. 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:46.879 When searching Ship's dorm, they located satanic paraphernalia, including a satanic Bible, an altar, and a hexagram earring and a hat pin. 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:54.080 Ship claimed to investigators that he had not planned to kill as a satanic offering, but only considered Slemmer a sacrifice after. 00:12:54.559 --> 00:13:00.799 Pike also confessed to the murder, but claimed that she did not lure her with the attempt to kill her just to fight her to get her to stay away from her boyfriend. 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:09.120 It should be noted, not that it matters, because even if Colleen was into Ship, like that's not an excuse to kill her, but everyone's like, there was zero evidence. 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:12.320 None of the classmates believe that Colleen liked this guy. 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:14.480 So it was like really for nothing. 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:15.919 This was this whole thing was stupid. 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:17.039 Adding more than that. 00:13:17.120 --> 00:13:17.200 Yeah. 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.759 So Peterson pleads guilty to accessory after the fact, as I said, gets six years probation. 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:31.919 Despite confessing, you know, to the police, Pike and Ship both plead not guilty, but were found guilty of first-degree murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder in separate trials. 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:37.840 And this is where things get controversial because she was 18 at the time of the crime and her boyfriend was 17. 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:42.879 So he was charged as an adolescent and sentenced to life with the possibility of parole. 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:44.720 He's already eligible for parole.

00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:50.480 He came up before the board and was not approved because of the severity of this crime. 00:13:50.559 --> 00:13:51.919 So he remains in jail. 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.360 But the question is like, we're talking a matter of months. 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:59.840 Was a matter of months supposed to make her more kind of culpable in this crime? 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:02.000 So she gets sentenced to death row. 00:14:02.159 --> 00:14:04.799 She's the youngest woman sentenced to death row in modern history. 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:08.559 At the time of this execution, she was the only woman on Tennessee death row. 00:14:08.799 --> 00:14:15.200 Okay, but 18-year-old men can be charged with statutory rape for a 17-year-old female. 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.600 So how does that change anything? 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:20.720 I'm not discrediting that she committed a crime. 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.440 It's a crime, a heinous crime. 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:29.200 She's also clearly not a well person. 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:32.799 To be committed to death, you have to be able to comprehend that. 00:14:33.039 --> 00:14:37.759 I don't believe that this person is healthy enough to actually comprehend anything. 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.200 I think she needs to be committed to a psych ward for life. 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:50.240 You don't just take a piece of a patient's or a person's skull and like brag about that without knowing, like, without comprehending the repercussions. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:51.360 She's unwell. 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:56.240 While in prison, she was diagnosed with PTSD and bipolar disorder. 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.320 And her lawyers argue that the system had failed her as a child, which it did. 00:15:00.559 --> 00:15:08.399 We can all agree that I think if she's really being assaulted and she's getting report, it's getting reported by teachers and nothing and they're keeping her in the same location. 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:09.759 That is a failure by the system. 00:15:11.440 --> 00:15:21.440 Her later appeals argue that her trial lawyers inadequately presented mitigating evidence concerning severe childhood sexual abuse, and that became part of decades of litigation over whether the death sentence should stand. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:33.200 So for her part, Krista Pike claimed that she was mentally ill, and it wasn't until she was diagnosed and treated for PTSD and bipolar in prison that she was really able to comprehend what she did. 00:15:33.440 --> 00:15:33.759 Okay. 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:36.559 That's off fine and well, and maybe I would give that to her. 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:40.720 Except that in prison she was not a model citizen. 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:50.799 In 2001, she and another inmate attacked Patricia Jones, who was incarcerated for her own murder conviction and attempted to strangle her with a shoelace. 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:57.919 In recorded prison phone calls, Pike bragged that it was

premeditated and that she would have finished the job if she had 30 more seconds. 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:02.879 She claims that Jones had been taunting her for years about the electric chair and called her degrading name. 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:10.399 So I think it's safe to say if she's like, listen, I got mental health treatment, I've worked through my issues, I now know what I did is wrong. 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.639 I would maybe buy into that, except at the same time you're trying to kill another person. 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:16.159 She needs to be in a sideboard. 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:18.879 That's what I don't understand why she didn't have a psych workout. 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:27.120 Okay, so like every serial killer in the world goes to a psych instead of prison because they're all mentally ill. 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:35.679 I think people don't do these crimes without some form of trauma and illness like impacting their brain as a child. 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:37.279 Well, she's a direct example. 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:44.080 This goes back though to the debate that everyone was having during Lindsay Clancy, also, like devil's advocate here, right? 00:16:44.159 --> 00:16:53.039 If you're to argue that way, then we should say that that Ted Jeffrey Dahmer Jeffrey Dahmer should have just been put in a psych ward. 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:54.879 I don't believe in the death row. 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:58.159 Like in death, you don't think you don't think they should be in prison? 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:03.120 I think they should be in prison or in some form of controlled environment. 00:17:03.360 --> 00:17:05.839 But like, I don't believe they need to be killed. 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.400 But did she have a full-sight workup? 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:09.039 She did. 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:10.400 That's what she's saying. 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:15.279 So when she was failed as a child, she goes to jail, she was in psychiatric care in the jail. 00:17:15.359 --> 00:17:16.880 She's diagnosed with P T S D. 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.599 She's PTSD, she's diagnosed bipolar, she's medicine. 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:21.200 And she tries to kill another person. 00:17:21.440 --> 00:17:22.480 She's therapized. 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:29.279 She tells everyone that she now is a rational human being and she recognizes she has insight now into what she did. 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:34.720 And this is all part of her, like, you know, plea with her lawyers to get off death row. 00:17:34.880 --> 00:17:39.039 And then she turns around and tries to kill someone else, and she nearly succeeds. 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:41.839 And then brags about it again. 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:42.880 Yeah. 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.480 So I think it's safe to say she wasn't all that reformed. 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:51.680 She was found guilty of attempted murder, and she had 25 years added to her sentence. 00:17:52.640 --> 00:18:08.559 Then in 2012, the Tennessee Bureau of Investigations and the Department of Corrections foiled an escape plot in which a 23-year-old correctional office at the women's prison and the 34-year-old boyfriend of then 36-year-old Krista Pike were conspiring to break her out. 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:16.319 So, as I mentioned, Krista Pike's lawyers were attempting to get her death sentence commuted to life without parole, arguing all the reasons we've kind of just discussed. 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:22.880 And then other issues they raised included Tennessee's lethal injection protocol and Krista Pike's individual medical conditions. 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.039 That's sort of the background on Krista Pike. 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:32.079 And now I'm gonna shift gears here and talk about the actual lethal injection process. 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:32.559 Okay. 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.559 How it is supposed to work. 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:38.240 There are currently 27 states that allow capital punishment. 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:42.640 And all of those allow lethal injection as a method of execution. 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:46.160 You guys touched on earlier the three drug cocktail, right? 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:46.720 Mm-hmm. 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:54.400 When they would use an anesthetic or sedative to induce unconsciousness, then a paralytic to paralyze the skeletal muscle. 00:18:54.480 --> 00:18:56.799 So this is pretty much what we do when we intubate a patient, right? 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:05.440 You give them anesthesia first, they don't feel anything, and then you paralyze them so they can't fight you when you're trying to help them, or in this case, you know, they can't breathe. 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:14.480 And then you give them, inject them with uh a drug, which is usually potassium chloride, to disrupt electrical activity within the heart, leading to cardiac arrest. 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:21.680 So in theory, this should really be a painless and not traumatic for the people watching, and like just goes to sleep, and that's the end of it. 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:35.359 I will say though, that if we were still doing this, my biggest fear, I've never even had surgery, but this is what I fear of getting waking up, of being paralyzed, but not sedated because paralysis does not equal sedation. 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:36.880 You can feel everything. 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.279 You're gonna say and you can't do anything about it. 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:40.960 Yeah, can't communicate. 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:43.039 I mean, why do they need a paralytic? 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:47.759 Like, why can't they just heavily sedate someone and then just just inject potassium chloride? 00:19:48.799 --> 00:19:53.119 I think it's also all the people who are watching this in the audience. 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.720 Yeah, because when people go into cardiac arrest, it's not comfortable to watch. 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:01.920 So, anyway, the three drug cocktail was already criticized to begin with before

we even went away with it, right? 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.519 And then we have like the issue of drug makers, they don't want their meds to be associated with execution. 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:15.119 So it became very hard for like the DOC to obtain the medications necessary for these executions. 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:24.720 So now we have drug shortages, and uh as a result, these some states, including Tennessee, transitioned to a single drug protocol. 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:31.599 And the most commonly used drug in the single drug protocol is an overdose of the sedative pentobarbital. 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:33.920 Isn't pentobarbidol an old drug? 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:35.279 It's been around for a while, though. 00:20:35.359 --> 00:20:36.000 We still use it. 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.359 What's older phenobarbidol or pentobarbidol? 00:20:39.519 --> 00:20:40.960 One of them is like a second generation. 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:46.480 I think phenobarbital is older than pentobarb, but isn't phenobarb like more recommended? 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:50.720 Well, phenobarb, you can give as like a low-dose pill because it lasts a long time. 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:52.480 That's what we use for alcohol withdrawal. 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:52.960 You're right. 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:59.279 Phenobarbadol was 1904, and then pentobarbadol was 1930. 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:00.240 So they're both old. 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:02.079 But pheno is older. 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:06.079 Well, I kind of feel like after all of this now, pentobarbital is gonna be like propofol after Michael Jackson. 00:21:06.160 --> 00:21:09.519 Like Pentobarbital does have indications. 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:09.920 Yeah. 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:10.160 Yeah. 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:11.440 What do they use it for, Kate? 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:13.599 Status epilepticus. 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:14.480 Yes, we use it. 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.839 Uh it's a big drug in the neuroICU, uh neurocritical care. 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.759 And now it is used, it can, you know, be used as like an anesthetic in low doses. 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:26.079 The big uses I see for it, Stanis epilepticus, that has already failed treatment. 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:30.559 So it's like oh, this is like the patient is yes, the patient has already been having seizures. 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:31.599 They've not stopped seizing. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:40.960 You have already intubated them and put them down for dick for days with propofol and ketamine and versed and nothing is stopping their seizures. 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:42.960 Then we try pentobarbital. 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:51.279 And so pentobarbital acts on the GABA receptors, which is the same thing that the way propofol and versed and alcohol work, right? 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.359 And inhibit nerve transmission. 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:59.839 So we will use pentobarbital to pretty much, in like layman's terms, practically like cease brain activity. 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:10.160 Like they're on an EG, titrated up, and you are just kind of limiting the brain activity to let everything cool down and to stop the seizures. 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:19.039 And so when you do that, the dose, you load them with 15 megs per kig, and then you start a drip of about one megs per kig per hour, which is important when we compare doses. 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:19.359 Okay. 00:22:19.440 --> 00:22:28.000 So we would say that for a 100-kilogram person, a 220 pound, 220-pound person, they're going to get a gram dose of pentobarbital. 00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:31.200 It's also used for sedation, 100 milligrams of IV for sedation. 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:34.319 But again, if you're going to use this, the patient has a breathing tube in. 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:39.839 Again, whenever we use pentobarbital in the hospital setting, there's a breathing tube in doing all of the work of the breathing. 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:45.279 And there is cardiovascular monitoring because they are on medications to keep their blood pressure up and all of that. 00:22:45.440 --> 00:22:49.920 We also use it for ICP management when a patient has has, again, failed all other treatment. 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:59.599 These are patients we have standing up in the bed and we've done all the therapies to minimize the pressure in the brain in order to prevent them from progressing to brain death. 00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:01.920 And so then we do petrobatol. 00:23:02.079 --> 00:23:04.319 This is how it is used clinically. 00:23:04.559 --> 00:23:04.880 Okay. 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:11.680 For lethal injection, they use a five gram dose. 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.279 It's given over about 15 minutes. 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.119 5,000 milligrams. 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.920 So a much, much higher dose. 00:23:20.160 --> 00:23:21.759 Is it just thought to kill them faster? 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.559 Well, I think you want to be make sure that you're sure. 00:23:24.799 --> 00:23:25.119 Yeah. 00:23:25.279 --> 00:23:25.599 Yeah. 00:23:25.839 --> 00:23:26.640 And then here's why. 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:37.599 So the pentobarbital before her as an execution drug was already controversial because a known side effect of pentobarbital, we see this even when we use it therapeutically at lower doses, is pulmonary edema. 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:43.279 And they've done autopsies on patients who have had pentobarbital and they have pulmonary edema. 00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:47.359 Pulmonary edema is when is what we call water on the lungs. 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:48.559 Yes. 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:51.039 That's when the lungs fill up with blood. 00:23:52.000 --> 00:24:00.640 This happens because the capillary endothelial cells and the alveolar membranes, so the everything, the vessels just kind of leak in the lungs, right? 00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:02.000 It's like you're drowning. 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:02.319 Yeah. 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:09.119 So that's the concern is

if they give punch barbital to patients and they're not fully unconscious, their tongue falls back, obstructs their airway. 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:18.319 That the negative pressure of trying to overcome the tongue obstruction is going to exacerbate that that pulmonary edema. 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:20.480 And so the lungs are going to fill with fluid. 00:24:20.640 --> 00:24:24.799 And are these people being executed having a sensation of drowning? 00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:28.640 Because they're kind of promised a painless death. 00:24:28.720 --> 00:24:30.160 And that's that's traumatic, right? 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.240 I guess we should just bring back the guillotine. 00:24:32.319 --> 00:24:33.839 Well, what's a painless death? 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:36.160 The other update was the Fort Hood shooter. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:39.039 He's gonna be executed by firing squad. 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:39.279 Yeah. 00:24:39.359 --> 00:24:39.440 Yeah. 00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:40.240 Fire ring. 00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:46.720 The whole point of multi-the three drug usage of using the paralytic was for the audience to not have to watch anything. 00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:49.599 Yeah, I mean, I think it also does chop people's sense. 00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:54.400 It does get a component also of like, I mean, it's stop, it halts your the paralytic is gonna halt your breathing. 00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:54.640 Yeah. 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:56.400 So I think it is gonna contribute to your death. 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:01.200 It like halts your breathing and the potassium stops your heart, so it happens much quicker. 00:25:01.359 --> 00:25:05.920 I do, I'm sure that there's an element of let's make this prettier for the people who are watching, also. 00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:06.640 Yeah. 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:12.720 As the different administrations have changed, there have been a lot of back and forth about the death penalty and and how we should use it. 00:25:12.799 --> 00:25:18.799 So prior to Trump's first term, there had sort of been like a halt on executions. 00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:21.039 It wasn't, they weren't banned, it wasn't a law. 00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.200 It was just sort of this like, we're gonna take a pause. 00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:23.599 Okay. 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.279 No one was really getting executed. 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:32.160 Trump came back, he resumed death penalty, and during his first term, the federal government used pentobarbital for 13 executions. 00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:33.759 The Biden administration took over. 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:43.680 They continued executions, but they stopped the use of pentobarbital because there was, again, very mixed recommendations about whether pentobarbital was causing pain and suffering. 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.880 And then when Trump came back, they reauthorized pentobarbital. 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:54.000 So so the reason that Trump brought it back is because lawyers for the DOC were arguing that inmates are unconscious in under a minute after administration. 00:25:54.559 --> 00:26:00.960 And their concern is like if we stop doing this and we go find a new cocktail, like the last cocktail you guys had concerns about, right? 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:03.119 Red off the Penta Barbara to do something else. 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:04.799 You guys are gonna have concerns about that. 00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:10.559 And there's a higher risk of having like violent reactions and delayed death as we're getting more comfortable with the new cocktail. 00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:12.079 So that was the argument. 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:13.200 That's why I came back. 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.480 That's all the background that leads us to this specific event. 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:21.039 Do you guys have anything to add before we jump into what happened on September 30th? 00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:33.519 My questions going into it are what the protocol is for ensuring a good Ivy line, what the protocol is in prepping the patient, how many people are part of that process, and what are the double checks. 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:37.119 And my question is why is she a full code? 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:41.759 My assumption is because she has to be killed with the protocol. 00:26:42.000 --> 00:26:44.640 I have a lot of answers for your questions, Colleen, that I'm gonna get into. 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:50.319 I don't really have a great answer for you, Kate, because the problem is that the policy ends. 00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:50.960 Ends. 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:51.440 Yeah. 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:56.799 It's like it's like they don't they don't die with the first injection, do the second injection, and then it that's just the end of it. 00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.680 And so I think there was a lot of standing around for an hour here. 00:26:59.920 --> 00:27:02.240 I'm absolutely shocked they took it in closing. 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:03.200 That's crazy. 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:05.680 Pike's execution was scheduled for 10 a.m. 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:11.519 on September 30th, but there was some frantic last-minute litigation, and the Federal Appeals Court temporarily stayed the execution. 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:17.680 Krista Pike's lawyers were arguing that her medical conditions, specifically, she had essential thrombocytosis. 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:18.400 What's that? 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:19.200 For the listeners? 00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:19.920 Clotting. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:20.880 High platelets. 00:27:21.119 --> 00:27:24.319 Kind of like microclot, very high platelet count microclots. 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:32.400 And that she had very small, hard-to-find veins, which, in their argument, would make the state's lethal injection protocol tortuous and unsafe. 00:27:32.559 --> 00:27:33.039 I'm sorry. 00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:35.119 She had this before they trained her. 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.640 The lawyer is arguing this before the day of the execution. 00:27:38.960 -->

00:27:41.759 They are a diagnosis known beforehand. 00:27:41.839 --> 00:27:42.079 Yes. 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:43.440 Not discovered afterhand. 00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:43.920 Yes. 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.400 So she is supposed to be executed at 10 a.m. 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:50.079 Her lawyers are appealing to the federal appeals court. 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:51.599 They stay the execution. 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:54.000 They say, You're not being executed at 10 a.m. 00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:56.160 Pause while we consider this. 00:27:56.480 --> 00:27:57.440 Okay, good question. 00:27:57.759 --> 00:28:04.160 What would thrombocytosis have to do with damage to the endothelium of the vessels? 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.880 It can cause rapid needle clotting. 00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:07.680 Yeah. 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:18.720 And then you can have vessel inflammation and quote blown veins, which they actually asked, you know, at first they'd been like, we don't think she should be executed, we think she'd be executed. 00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:26.799 On the day of the execution, they're like, okay, we agree with execution, but we don't want her executed by lethal injection because she has small, hard-to-find veins. 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.559 She has a history of being a difficult IB stick, and calling it for you. 00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:32.559 They wanted a different execution method. 00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:37.119 That evening, the Supreme Court ruled six to three that the execution would proceed. 00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.039 Who gets the pick the method? 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:39.680 I don't know. 00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.039 I don't know if it's like each state, I don't know if there was an alternate alternative method. 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.599 Sometimes when I read about it, it makes it seem like the prisoner gets the pickup, they get killed. 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:57.759 The patients that we hate putting IVs in in the hospital are like patients who have who've had a lot of sticks. 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.400 So medical conditions that require them to have frequent sticks. 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.920 So cancer patients, dialysis patients, they have damaged vessels. 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:08.880 And then when we deal with like IV drug users and that kind of thing, they usually don't have any good veins left. 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.039 And I was thinking about the patients who get executed. 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.559 A lot of them probably do have some substance abuse history. 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:18.240 And these are the people that are dying by lethal injection, you know? 00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.240 That's that is that is a challenge. 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:21.039 Yes. 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.720 Okay, so the how the method is decided. 00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.359 They have one, a default state law. 00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:35.839 So each state with the death penalty specifies a primary method, and which is most commonly lethal injection. 00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:38.880 Then Colleen's right, the inmate has a choice. 00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:51.119 So in few states, death row prisoners are given a lethal right, a legal right to pick their execution method, and they would be choosing between lethal injection, electrocution, and a firing squad. 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:58.319 And then the fallback options, the state's primary method is like not available due to drug shortages, like the lethal injection. 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:06.319 The state can dictate a backup method, like an electrical chair, nitrogen hypoxics, or a firing squad. 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.440 At the very end, I have a couple quick other failed attempts. 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:10.000 Oh wow. 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:10.720 Hanging. 00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:19.440 Hanging is still on there, kept on the books in very rare historical statutes as an extreme backup, though virtually unused in modern practice. 00:30:19.759 --> 00:30:23.680 So the Supreme Court says proceed by lethal injection. 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:29.839 The team, okay, the team spent nearly an hour attempting to establish a peripheral IV. 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:31.519 That's what I've been calling it right then. 00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:32.799 With at least seven needles. 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:33.759 That's ridiculous. 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:38.000 At one point, Krista Pike herself offered guidance of where they could try. 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:39.039 That is ridiculous. 00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:42.400 One needle was bent in a 90-degree angle when it was removed. 00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:43.920 Oh, a hip bone. 00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:45.440 Quick timeline here, okay? 00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.599 Because again, they get witnesses. 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:54.079 There's a viewing room of like loved ones, you know, the mother of Colleen of viewing this. 00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.640 In another room, there's like reporters. 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:56.960 Okay. 00:30:57.039 --> 00:30:59.279 So we have seven reporters who are observing this. 00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:01.839 And then in the middle, there's this room and there's curtains. 00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:05.359 So again, the goal is to not see any of the people who were kind of part of this. 00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:10.480 So they'll close the curtains, open them, and there's speakers so they can hear what's happening in the room. 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:16.319 Then there's a separate room that's concealed where the medical providers are waiting. 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:22.079 So at 7:27 p.m., the curtains open to the viewing room and Pike was seen strapped to the gurney with an IV. 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:23.680 The warden asked if she had last words. 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:25.440 Someone asked what her last words were, right? 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:32.400 According to one of the reporters in the viewing room, she said, I'm going to leave this world the way I spent most of my life, and that is with love.

00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.799 She said she loves the people who were angry with her as much as she loves people who are on her side. 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:39.599 And she said, quote, I'm at peace and I'm ready to go. 00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.440 Another reporter claimed that she said she was ready to be free and that this was a happy day. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:46.960 And then at 727, the pentobarbital started flowing. 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.319 So again, they're going to get five grams over 15 minutes. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:32:00.400 And it sort of sounds like it's sort of like when you take a patient to MRI and you have like the pump in in a different room with the providers because everyone's hiding from the magnet. 00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:00.640 Yeah. 00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.920 And then the tubing goes into the room to the patient. 00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:07.200 At 7:34 p.m., she started reporting discomfort. 00:32:07.359 --> 00:32:10.480 So again, according to the reporters who were present, they described this. 00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:13.359 So she said, My arm feels like it's about to burst open. 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:14.160 She was crying. 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.400 She said, one spot is really throbbing. 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:23.440 Three minutes later, she took four separate significant breaths, large enough to where you could see her body rising at points, sort of on and off the gurney. 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:26.880 At 7:39, she lifted her head and looked at the IV in her arm. 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.240 And the reporter said that she was kicking her feet this whole time. 00:32:30.319 --> 00:32:32.720 They had to keep like covering her back up with a blanket. 00:32:32.799 --> 00:32:40.960 Now, again, it's a 50-minute infusion, but the DOJ lawyers were arguing to the administration, you know, when they brought this back that within a minute they're unconscious, right? 00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:41.359 Right. 00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:42.559 Obviously, not in this case. 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:48.160 741, we know that the first infusion completed because they have this like secret code. 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.880 A staff member puts a rock on the windowsill. 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:52.960 It's like a golf ball-sized rock. 00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.640 And that marks the completion of the drug injection. 00:32:56.720 --> 00:33:04.559 And traditionally, that starts a five-minute mandatory countdown or waiting period before medical personnel enter the room and check the vitals and confirm the death. 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:10.319 So they get their 15-minute infusion, a rock gets placed so that everyone knows that the infusion is complete. 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:14.720 And then five minutes later, they close the blinds and they confirm death. 00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.279 They're not like on a heart monitor and you don't see the core. 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:21.759 I know I'm like, a rock, a rock is the is the sounds like a freaking Broadway show. 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:27.039 And the theaters open and the theaters close, and the audience is on one side. 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.240 Witnesses reported that her jaws were moving at 7.43. 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:34.720 At 7.44, she took a deep breath and was kind of incomprehensibly speaking. 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:35.920 She was yawning. 00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:40.160 And apparently reporters are like, oh, they're looking at each other like uncomfortable. 00:33:40.240 --> 00:33:41.359 Like, what is happening right now? 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:41.680 Right. 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.119 At 7.46, she's still alive and she's snoring. 00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:49.119 They close the curtains and at 7:49, they reopen. 00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:53.279 And so we assume at this point a second dose of pentabarbital has started. 00:33:53.359 --> 00:33:57.279 Because in the protocol, if the first one fails, you repeat with the second dose. 00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:58.720 They use the same item. 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:00.240 Um, I tried to look into that. 00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.720 It sounds like she had damage to both arms, so I have to assume that they one IV. 00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:04.880 Yeah. 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.119 That they have two IVs. 00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:07.680 Yeah. 00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.599 At 754, she let out a loud grunt, lifted her head up, her mouth opened, and snoring began again. 00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:17.519 And this is when her right arm apparently started to look purple and began to blister. 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:23.519 Just before 756, her body lifted off the gurney again, both her head and her legs sort of like in a V shape almost. 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.079 At 801, Pike let out a heavy sigh. 00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:27.679 The rock is placed back on the window. 00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.159 So now we've had the second dose completely infused. 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.079 We've had 10 grams infused. 00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:40.400 And four minutes later at 8.05 p.m., her body flexed as she gasped for air, and the curtain was abruptly drawn for a second time. 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:44.719 The witnesses and everyone are hanging out in this room with curtains, just look at each other. 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:46.559 They said they had no clock, only one of them had a watch. 00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.719 They kept being like, hey, dude, how long has it been? 00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:49.360 How long has it been? 00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:50.719 They're trying to track what's going on. 00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:52.159 It was 50 minutes. 00:34:52.320 --> 00:35:00.400 They said they could hear on the microphone her snoring and her breathing until 8.53 when the microphone cut off. 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:03.119 And then the warden asked all the witnesses to leave. 00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:10.880 As they were leaving and they were talking to the press, EMS arrived at 9.15, and at 9.28, the ambulances with police escorts left the

prison. 00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.480 So that is how it went down. 00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:14.159 So I think, yeah, it sounds pretty clear. 00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:20.159 I don't know anyone who could survive 10 grams of pentobarbital if it was actually infusing. 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:21.599 This sounds very clearly, right? 00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.119 Like infiltrated IVs. 00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:24.480 She did get all the medication. 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:26.880 Her arms are burning, she's blistering. 00:35:27.440 --> 00:35:31.039 So that sounds like an infiltrated IV. 00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:31.920 Correct? 00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:32.559 You guys agree? 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:34.880 Without like reports are coming out now that are kind of confirming that. 00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:40.639 But I think any healthcare professional who heard the story immediately was like, Yeah, we know what happened, right? 00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:41.119 Right. 00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:42.320 And everyone knows too. 00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:49.679 It's like when you treat a patient in the hospital and you give a med and it doesn't work, the first thing you do is like check your IV AIV and switch ID. 00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.840 Check your check your connections, make sure everything's connected. 00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:54.079 Yeah. 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.480 Start at the patient, look at the IV in her arm. 00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:56.800 Yeah. 00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.079 Is it dangling out? 00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:06.400 Well, sometimes you have IV lines, like IV pumps that will be like beeping because it's hard to, you know, infuse. 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:07.440 Infuse. 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:07.679 Yeah. 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:08.000 Yeah. 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:15.119 But I guess then there's then, well, yeah, then there's sometimes that your IV infiltrates and then their whole arm is just feeling fluid. 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:17.119 And this, you know, you just don't know. 00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:17.840 Yeah. 00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:21.440 Which if she blistered that fast, that's kind of what I assume happened. 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:26.880 And I think one of the big side effects of pentobarbadol is like necrosis. 00:36:28.079 --> 00:36:30.320 Like it can cause necrosis. 00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.159 If I'm getting put to death, I'm asking them to just put a central line in me. 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:34.559 Okay. 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.280 Numb me up and put a central line in and make sure the med goes in. 00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:38.480 So I'm like, why are they not doing that? 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:38.719 Yeah. 00:36:39.360 --> 00:36:45.199 If you are going to purposefully kill somebody, do it efficiently. 00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:46.079 Uh I looked into this. 00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.000 I was like, why did this patient not get a central line? 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:49.519 Why do they not put central lines in? 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.079 Maybe that's what the Supreme Court could have said. 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.079 Like, hey, we hear you that you're a tough stick. 00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:55.760 So central line. 00:36:56.079 --> 00:37:00.719 There are states that allow for central line placement if a good peripheral cannot be obtained. 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:02.639 And Tennessee is one of those states. 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:07.679 Centraline, again, guys, is a is an IB that goes into a much bigger, it's placed by a provider. 00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:10.960 It's a it's a much larger IB that goes into a much larger vessel. 00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:17.039 So we usually put them in in the neck or uh under the clavicle or rarely in the groin. 00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:22.960 And it goes in in the and it's got a much longer catheter, so it kind of trickles down into the heart. 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:28.880 So we use that in the hospital to give a lot of medications that are too caustic to give peripherally, like a regular IB. 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:33.360 Again, it's more invasive, and there are risks of like infection, which in this case, who cares, right? 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:41.840 Pneumothorax, I guess, would be the big risk of dropping a lung, but I feel like that's a very low risk if you have someone who's doing it appropriately, like who is experienced. 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:46.960 What does it mean to have a cycle line versus just a regular peripheral IV? 00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:48.719 Is that they're going to get the medicine? 00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:49.039 Yes. 00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.599 There's no responsible doubt it's getting into their system. 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:57.679 I wonder, is it you would need like an X-ray machine to confer replacement? 00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:00.719 Is that like an extra cost that they would don't do? 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:03.840 Or you could do with use it with old, you could do with ultrasound mics. 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:13.840 Well, if they're willing to spend all the money on the appeal process on just funding for death row in general, why can't they fund or why can't they pay for an ultrasound? 00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:14.239 Yeah. 00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:20.639 So anyway, Tennessee is a state that allows central line placement if the peripheral access cannot be obtained. 00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:23.440 And again, we already know she met criteria. 00:38:23.519 --> 00:38:25.360 They tried seven times and they couldn't get an ID. 00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:26.639 You know what probably happened? 00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:28.719 They've probably said she needs to die today. 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:32.480 Now I know why, but I think I might have buried that lead for the end. 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:36.639 The peripheral IVs, again, we don't know who places these because it's all very hush-hush. 00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:40.880 But there is a Tennessee Department of Correction IV team that is authorized to place these. 00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:48.880 Under standard state execution

protocols, the team consists of trained prison staff and contracted individuals whose specific medical credentials are kept anonymous by law. 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.639 So we don't know if they're RNs, well, medical assistants. 00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:57.599 Typically, it's a physician, a physician's assistant, a registered nurse, a paramedic, or an EMT. 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:05.599 So anyone who is currently licensed, certified, and qualified within the United States insert IVs, which I'm gonna be honest though, like if I'm on death row and I'm getting a central one, give me a doctor. 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:05.920 Okay. 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:12.559 But I'm getting peripheral IV, I think I want the EMT, maybe, you know, the nurse, the again, I want the EMT. 00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.039 Yeah, an EMT or like an ER nurse. 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:15.599 Yeah. 00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.880 Someone who, some a labor and delivery nurse. 00:39:19.039 --> 00:39:20.719 Those girls can get some IVs. 00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.039 They did not attempt to place a central line in her case. 00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:24.719 And what I try, I'm trying to figure out why that is. 00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:32.239 And all I can think is because there was a subcentraline drama previously this year in Tennessee with a different execution, which I'll get to later. 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.599 So I'm not sure if they just like didn't want to deal with that drama or what happened. 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:40.159 Her lawyers had asked for a central one to prevent vein rupture, and the judge had ruled it was unnecessary. 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:46.639 So again, what we know is that her arms have reportedly become markedly swollen, burned, and blistered. 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:59.360 An anesthesiologist retained by her defense believes the findings are consistent with pentobarbital leaking from improperly positioned IVs into surrounding tissue rather than reaching the circulation in the intended concentration, which again, we all didn't even get to review the charts. 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.039 And that's what we believe, right? 00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:04.079 You gotta be able to like do a practice run. 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.559 Like, let's practice putting an IV in you before your actual execution. 00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:11.760 Let's practice and prove we can get an IV in you. 00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.599 So then if they know they need a central line, they can actually be prepared. 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.639 Because how did that judge determine it wasn't necessary? 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:28.639 And so again, I would think this pentobarbital was probably mostly delivered to the soft tissue, which would explain delayed absorption, inadequate circulation concentration, tissue injury, and swelling and blistering. 00:40:28.800 --> 00:40:30.079 So Kate kind of talked on this. 00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:34.639 This the pentobarbital is a highly alkalotic lipophilic barbituate. 00:40:35.039 --> 00:40:35.920 Dumb that down. 00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.800 Well, it like Kate said, it's gonna make it really caustic, right? 00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:44.559 And the infiltrating into the soft tissue alters its pharmacokinetics completely. 00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:48.559 So when it's given intravenously, it's immediate acting, it's lethal. 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:56.559 Uh, when it's given kind of subcutaneously through this infrared IV, it's going to be a much slower release sedative. 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.760 So you're going to have much more erratic and delayed circulation. 00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:08.800 It's going to rely on kind of the passive capillary diffusion, all those little kind of, you know, blood vessels into the bloodstream instead of getting through like a big vein. 00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.639 Oh, it has a pH of 9.5, and in case anyone cares, uh, because of how caustic it is. 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:18.239 And it has irritating vehicles like propylene, glycol, and alcohol. 00:41:18.400 --> 00:41:20.960 So this is what causes a local chemical irritation. 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:22.960 You get burning, you get tissue inflammation. 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:33.440 And uh again, having like this localized tissue injury is just going to further compromise the blood flow and like further delay your systemic absorption. 00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:39.119 Now you have sort of this um, again, this much slower peak level. 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:49.679 So I think when we talk about later where she's at now, it's harder to kind of assess her long-term recovery because pentobarbital, when given intravenously, hangs around for a very long time. 00:41:49.760 --> 00:42:03.280 When we use it for ICP issues or seizures, we know, like if something happens, we can't do brain death testing on this patient because we can't believe that their exam is not being masked by the pentobarbital effects, right? 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.840 It hangs around for many, many days. 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:09.519 And now we've given this subcutaneously, so it's gonna hang around for even longer. 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:16.880 So I think it's still gonna be a while before we really know, you know, how she although she was talking today. 00:42:17.119 --> 00:42:23.679 What's frustrating to me is that like it's all about them not having the contingency plan of it not working. 00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:31.360 So it's like us in my mind, a central line is mandated for every lethal injection. 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:32.239 Should be mandated. 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:43.760 Tennessee has had some problems in the past, and they were was a recommendation made that they get like a farm, like right now, the only person they have to consult on this is the the rep, the drug rep. 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:44.400 Okay. 00:42:44.639 --> 00:42:52.320 And they're like, you should get like a pharmacist or someone to kind of oversee who could like maybe say these things, like, hey, God, but

they didn't do it. 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:53.440 And after this, they're like, Why'd you do that? 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.000 And they're like, Well, it was just a recommendation, it wasn't a requirement. 00:42:56.159 --> 00:42:57.679 No, so that'd be pretty annoying. 00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:01.599 That is she has to be have like a hypoxic brain injury. 00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:02.719 She's not gonna be normal. 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.440 There's no way that's what I keep thinking. 00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:14.000 So um, before I get into the updates about her, I really quickly had just a handful of cases, like one-liners here, of other two survived their executions. 00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:14.400 Okay. 00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:20.880 Willie Francis in 1946 in Louisiana, he was 16 and he was sentenced to death by the electric chair. 00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:21.920 16? 00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:23.360 This is the 40s. 00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.719 Executioners had been out boozing the night before and showed up intoxicated. 00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:31.519 So they improperly set up the portable electrical chair and failed to ground the generator correctly. 00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:34.960 He convulsed and screamed, Take it off, I can't breathe, but he didn't die. 00:43:35.199 --> 00:43:36.559 He was taken back to his cell. 00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:45.199 His lawyers fought a second execution attempt, citing cruel and unusual punishment and saying that executing him again would violate constitutional protection. 00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:49.920 Supreme Court disagreed, and he was successfully executed the following year. 00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:56.320 Rommel Broom in Chasine, Ohio, the execution team couldn't establish adequate IV access. 00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.760 They spent two hours and attempted 18 times before a vote. 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:00.559 My execution. 00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:01.199 Gosh. 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.599 But he never the like they couldn't get an IV and then they were like, go back to your cell. 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:06.960 Actually, yeah. 00:44:07.280 --> 00:44:12.400 So Ohio planned another execution, but then he died of COVID before that happened. 00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:14.400 So that was that. 00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.119 Doyle Ham in 2018, Alabama. 00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.599 He had terminal cancer, hep C. 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:23.760 And as I mentioned, these are patients who have a really hard time getting IBs in, right? 00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.079 Like chronically ill people cancer patients. 00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:29.760 So his attorneys warned beforehand that IV access will be extremely difficult. 00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.280 Execution personnel attempted for roughly two and a half hours. 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:38.000 A subsequent medical evaluation suggested his bladder and artery may have been punctured. 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.480 I wondered if they tried to do like ephemeral line or something. 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:47.440 I don't know how else they were, you know, doing a peripheral near his bladder, which still, I mean, that's still like real bad. 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:50.000 I'm sure in your bladder is still hard to do, I think. 00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:50.400 Yeah. 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:52.960 Um, he died of cancer in 2021. 00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.760 Thomas Creech in 2024 in Idaho. 00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.880 They attempted IV placement, couldn't establish access. 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:02.639 After an hour, they abandoned the execution and they went back to litigation again. 00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:05.119 It's like the lawyers were like, is it constitutional to try again? 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:10.719 It's been stayed indefinitely uh while the courts decide if another attempt is cruel and unusual. 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.679 And then Kenneth Eugene Smith in Alabama. 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.800 Alabama tried to execute Smith by lethal injection in 2022. 00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:20.480 They couldn't establish IV access before the death warrant expired at midnight. 00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:21.519 So they had to call it off. 00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:25.440 It was just, it was like 11:55, and they're trying to get an IV in, and they're like, can't do it. 00:45:25.599 --> 00:45:27.760 So Alabama said, we got to try something else. 00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.159 And two years later, he was the first person in the US executed by nitrogen hypoxia. 00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:34.239 This is controversial as well. 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.519 It is legal in five states. 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.320 Since then, eight people have been executed via these means. 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.559 But in execution gas, this sounds actually to me like a lovely way to go in theory. 00:45:42.719 --> 00:45:42.960 Okay. 00:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.199 I've been in an altitude chamber, right? 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:55.679 You just get sort of like if you're in high high altitude and you lose pressurization, you get like hypoxic, but you don't really know what you're not like oxygen-starved, right? 00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:59.519 So you just kind of get loopy and euphoric, and then you eventually lose consciousness. 00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.039 And I was like, that actually sounds like a pretty good way to die. 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.239 Except that's not quite how it works when it's done. 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:15.280 The five witnesses from the press reported that um this particular patient, Smith, thrashed violently on the gurney for nearly 10 minutes before he died. 00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:31.199 Uh, because they're they're arguing that since they're delivering this via a mask, like usually when you're in an airplane or if you go into like uh an altitude chamber, you're in this enclosed area and everything around you is right, the pressure, your fishbowl on it. 00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:32.000 Correct. 00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:49.280 This these patients have a mask on, so

there's probably some leakage, and which they're like, so first of all, now we've got leakage and we have witnesses, so that's kind of putting them them at risk, but also it's less insidious and it actually triggers the air hunger that that you don't achieve in like an airplane. 00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:53.039 So it's kind of not as painless as uh as thought. 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.159 So that's kind of a hot topic right now that people are debating. 00:46:56.480 --> 00:47:02.000 And then the last one I have happened in Tennessee just a few months ago. 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:09.599 Tony Carruthers in May of 2026, he was supposed to be executed, but they were unable to place a peripheral IV. 00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.199 So he ended up getting a one-year reprieve, and he's still going to be executed. 00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:19.119 This is, I think, what came out of their kind of review of this really pertains to what happened to Krista. 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:21.599 So the on-call doctor, Dr. 00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:27.360 Fowler, was asked to place a central line because they couldn't get a peripheral in him, which again is how the protocol is supposed to go. 00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:32.719 After an hour of failed central line placement attempts, they had to call off the execution. 00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.360 And when they investigated, it was discovered that Dr. 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:40.719 Fowler had not placed a central line since 2013 when he worked in the ED. 00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:41.199 Okay. 00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:46.159 So I'm wondering if the way this went down is what impacted them not try to central line for Krista. 00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:52.400 So it went, it was investigated that he had not placed a central line since 2013 when he worked at an ED. 00:47:52.559 --> 00:48:02.320 He had only placed about a dozen in his career, which is crazy because usually you have to do like five to ten just to be like checked off for your credentials. 00:48:02.639 --> 00:48:16.000 You did five to ten observed procedures with someone watching you do this, and then it gets submitted to the hospital credentialing, and the whole little group powwows and reviews it and says, Okay, check they are capable of doing this procedure. 00:48:16.159 --> 00:48:19.360 So it's like he probably did just enough to get credentialed, and that was it. 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.679 And he currently has no hospital privileges. 00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.519 So what kind of anyway? 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.039 This is the physician who was overseeing Krista's case. 00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:29.360 Oh, so I'm wondering fire him after that. 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:30.800 No, so I'm one no. 00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:33.599 So I'm wondering if how does he still have a job? 00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:39.679 The reason he didn't do a central line is because it went so poorly last time, and so they didn't want to go down that route. 00:48:39.840 --> 00:48:40.320 I'm so sorry. 00:48:40.400 --> 00:48:41.760 How does he still have a job? 00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:44.719 Or how is he still the person in charge of that? 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.119 Sounds like there's gonna be a lot of reform after this. 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:48.000 That's all I have. 00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:55.039 The quick update uh from today uh at the time of this recording, it's been about a week since Tennessee gave Krista Pike those two doses. 00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.800 The Breaking Tube came out yesterday. 00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:58.000 She is awake and talking. 00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:01.519 I'm not sure how like articulate she is, you know. 00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:04.639 So the medical mystery isn't whether she's gonna survive, because that was the first question. 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:05.760 Is she gonna survive this? 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:09.280 The medical mystery is an idiotic system with core planning. 00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:13.599 Yes, and and the next question is should the state attempt to execute her again? 00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:15.599 Well, she's still competent to be executed. 00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:15.920 I know. 00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:20.880 Well, we don't know if she's competent to be executed, we don't know how much brain damage is done. 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:27.280 I think too, all those other cases I listed, like those people they couldn't get a peripheral IV, right? 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:32.639 But no one had actually like received the drugs and then failed. 00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.920 So yeah, like why did they not stop for her? 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:39.920 What got them to stop for the other people, but not her? 00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:42.719 And they must have they placed their IVs. 00:49:42.800 --> 00:49:43.199 Yeah, right. 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:46.320 Yeah, they said, okay, we've got we've got trying some IVs. 00:49:46.480 --> 00:49:55.840 And yeah, I think the other thing I touched on, I think all this also what's come out is just that that that we don't know what happened for those 50 minutes, and then the curtains were closed and the witnesses left. 00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:01.679 But the protocol does not go beyond if they don't respond, you may give a second dose, and then that's it. 00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.599 So it was probably still out of everybody looking at each other. 00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:06.239 Oh shit. 00:50:06.320 --> 00:50:07.199 Why do we well? 00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:13.280 It sounds like that's what was going on in the witness room, and then I guess in the separate medical room, they probably were I bet they were calling people. 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:17.440 How long did it take for them to actually start resuscitating her in any way? 00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:22.480 I'm not even sure that they it was 50 minutes, they closed the blinds, they said please leave. 00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.760 And then 20 minutes later, EMS was there. 00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:26.159 Right. 00:50:26.480 --> 00:50:29.760 And they are the

microphones were on for a while. 00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.239 It sounds like there was no sounds of like resuscitation. 00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:36.320 Sounds like there was a lot of like agonal breathing. 00:50:36.400 --> 00:50:38.400 It looks like they were when she die. 00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:46.480 And uh no, I bet they were in the other room watching in their private medical room, going oh shit and scrambling and calling people. 00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:52.000 Yeah, but but all we have is a guy who hasn't has no privileges, who hasn't really practiced for a while, and this is what he does. 00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:56.159 And we have no pharmacist because all we have to consult is the is the rep. 00:50:56.400 --> 00:50:59.840 And we have like a bunch of again, what's wrong with healthcare, right? 00:50:59.920 --> 00:51:05.679 A bunch of non-medical people making the decisions, right, who aren't, you know, at the bedside. 00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:09.440 So it feels rushed, or it feels more planned. 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:17.199 And if you spend an hour getting a PIV, I personally would not feel confident in anything I place if it took me an hour to even try to get one. 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:29.119 Rushed, they have they should have stopped decades to plan these, but yet they don't have the appropriate contingency plan, don't have the appropriate pharmacist, they don't even have appropriate provider on board. 00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:34.400 I think the even more embarrassing thing is that in May, you already had this embarrassing moment. 00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:35.280 Exactly. 00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:41.280 And you've again had had five months you did nothing to get a better plan in place. 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:44.559 That's embarrassing, Tennessee. 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:50.159 Guys, just a reminder, don't forget to check out our Facebook and Instagram pages at Three Scheme Queens. 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:53.039 That's the number three scheme queens, all one word. 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:55.440 We're also on Reddit, same username. 00:51:55.599 --> 00:52:08.000 If you want to check out our website, go to three schemequeens.com and you can find links to our social media accounts, our BuzzSpour page, all of our episodes, additional content, and our contact page where you can engage with us and share any updates on the topics that we have discussed. 00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:10.400 Let us know how we're doing and what you want to hear next. 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:15.440 There are also opportunities to financially support us with links to buy us a cup of coffee and links to our merch store. 00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:20.559 As always, if you choose not to financially support us, we appreciate the follows, the downloads, the listens, the likes. 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:22.079 Kate, what should the people do? 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:30.480 Yeah, the people, they should take out their phone right now and text this to three different people if you think that they are gonna be interested in this case. 00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:38.559 And then scroll on down, leave us a five-star review, share it on your social media platforms, interact with us on our social media platforms. 00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:39.280 Yeah. 00:52:39.599 --> 00:52:41.119 See you guys next Tuesday. 00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.199 See you next Tuesday.